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Peter Olcott wrote:
>>> There are apparently Chinese equivalents to the digit
>>> [0-9].
>>> How does Java handle this for Chinese programmers?

Lew wrote:
>> By making them use '0' through '9', as Jeff Higgins
>> explained upthread.

Peter Olcott wrote:
>> --
>> Lew

Don't quote sigs.

> Isn't this a little ethnocentristic?

No.

--
Lew

On 5/23/2010 1:29 PM, Peter Olcott wrote:
> "Arne Vajhøj"<> wrote in message
> news:4bf936f1$0$285$...
>> On 23-05-2010 09:58, Peter Olcott wrote:
>>> "Lew"<> wrote in message
>>> news:hta6lq$jh8$...
>>>> Peter Olcott wrote:
>>>>> There are apparently Chinese equivalents to the digit
>>>>> [0-9].
>>>>> How does Java handle this for Chinese programmers?
>>>>
>>>> By making them use '0' through '9', as Jeff Higgins
>>>> explained upthread.
>>>
>>> I am guessing that this prohibits mainland China
>>> developers
>>> from using java, because of their cultural purity laws.
>>
>> I don't know much about China.
>>
>> But what do they do when writing C code for GCC on
>> their Linux flavor?
>>
>> Arne
>>
>
> From what I understand they must write all code in assembly
> language because no other language is sufficiently adapted
> to their culture.
>
>
Sounds like a big opportunity for the right language developer.

Jeff Higgins wrote:
> On 5/23/2010 1:29 PM, Peter Olcott wrote:
>> "Arne Vajhøj"<> wrote in message
>> news:4bf936f1$0$285$...
>>> On 23-05-2010 09:58, Peter Olcott wrote:
>>>> "Lew"<> wrote in message
>>>> news:hta6lq$jh8$...
>>>>> Peter Olcott wrote:
>>>>>> There are apparently Chinese equivalents to the digit
>>>>>> [0-9].
>>>>>> How does Java handle this for Chinese programmers?
>>>>>
>>>>> By making them use '0' through '9', as Jeff Higgins
>>>>> explained upthread.
>>>>
>>>> I am guessing that this prohibits mainland China
>>>> developers
>>>> from using java, because of their cultural purity laws.
>>>
>>> I don't know much about China.
>>>
>>> But what do they do when writing C code for GCC on
>>> their Linux flavor?
>>>
>>> Arne
>>>
>>
>> From what I understand they must write all code in assembly
>> language because no other language is sufficiently adapted
>> to their culture.
>>
>>
> Sounds like a big opportunity for the right language developer.

Writing a preprocessor that allows "Java in Chinese" would take at most a
few weeks.

On 5/23/2010 1:29 PM, Peter Olcott wrote:
> "Arne Vajhøj"<> wrote in message
> news:4bf936f1$0$285$...
>> On 23-05-2010 09:58, Peter Olcott wrote:
>>> "Lew"<> wrote in message
>>> news:hta6lq$jh8$...
>>>> Peter Olcott wrote:
>>>>> There are apparently Chinese equivalents to the digit
>>>>> [0-9].
>>>>> How does Java handle this for Chinese programmers?
>>>>
>>>> By making them use '0' through '9', as Jeff Higgins
>>>> explained upthread.
>>>
>>> I am guessing that this prohibits mainland China
>>> developers
>>> from using java, because of their cultural purity laws.
>>
>> I don't know much about China.
>>
>> But what do they do when writing C code for GCC on
>> their Linux flavor?
>>
>> Arne
>>
>
> From what I understand they must write all code in assembly
> language because no other language is sufficiently adapted
> to their culture.
>
>
Are there pure Chinese operating systems running pure Chinese
processors? What is the Chinese word for Boolean?

On 5/23/2010 1:47 PM, Mike Schilling wrote:
> Jeff Higgins wrote:
>> On 5/23/2010 1:29 PM, Peter Olcott wrote:
>>> "Arne Vajhøj"<> wrote in message
>>> news:4bf936f1$0$285$...
>>>> On 23-05-2010 09:58, Peter Olcott wrote:
>>>>> "Lew"<> wrote in message
>>>>> news:hta6lq$jh8$...
>>>>>> Peter Olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> There are apparently Chinese equivalents to the digit
>>>>>>> [0-9].
>>>>>>> How does Java handle this for Chinese programmers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By making them use '0' through '9', as Jeff Higgins
>>>>>> explained upthread.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am guessing that this prohibits mainland China
>>>>> developers
>>>>> from using java, because of their cultural purity laws.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know much about China.
>>>>
>>>> But what do they do when writing C code for GCC on
>>>> their Linux flavor?
>>>>
>>>> Arne
>>>>
>>>
>>> From what I understand they must write all code in assembly
>>> language because no other language is sufficiently adapted
>>> to their culture.
>>>
>>>
>> Sounds like a big opportunity for the right language developer.
>
> Writing a preprocessor that allows "Java in Chinese" would take at most a
> few weeks.
>
>
He didn't respond to my question about a preprocessor. Perhaps he didn't
see my post.

Peter Olcott wrote:
>>> In China because of their cultural purity laws they would
>>> miss out on being able to use Java for development at
>>> all.

Lew wrote:
>> Mainland China. They might not be so restrictive in
>> Taiwan.
>>
>> Are you quite sure that what you say is even true in
>> mainland China? Care to cite some references to
>> substantiate that claim?

Peter Olcott wrote:
>> --
>> Lew

Please do not quote sigs.

> I heard this from two different reliable sources on
> newsgroups.

Even if I accept your assessment of the reliability of undisclosed anonymous
unconfirmed sources, which I do not, that does not mean there is no presence
of Chinese-language programming in Java outside of mainland China.

However, some brief googling for use of Java in (mainland) China indicates
that there is some, for example in the Android mobile-phone market. Chinese
outsourcing companies also produce a goodly amount of Java and Java EE software.

According to http://www.codeweblog.com/java-language-overview/
"... in China, Java is also in full swing"
(Surely the pun was unintentional)
(This does not strike me as more reliable than your unreliable sources,
however having equally unreliable but contradictory information is informative
in its own way.)

There was at one time a "China Java Users Group", https://cnjug.dev.java.net/,
thoughit does not seem extant now.

<http://www.geometricglobal.com/Corporate/Careers/Current+Opportunities/Opportunities+in+China/index.aspx>
has a job opportunity for a Java/J2EE developer in Shanghai.

Oh, look! Here's a posting from today (23 May, 2010) for a Java Software
Engineer in Beijing:
<http://jobs.thomsonreuters.com/job/BEIJING,-BEIJING,-CHINA-Java-Software-Engineer-Job/778416/>

So much for how "reliable" your sources are.

--
Lew
Don't quote sigs.

On 5/23/2010 1:57 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
> On 5/23/2010 1:29 PM, Peter Olcott wrote:
>> "Arne Vajhøj"<> wrote in message
>> news:4bf936f1$0$285$...
>>> On 23-05-2010 09:58, Peter Olcott wrote:
>>>> "Lew"<> wrote in message
>>>> news:hta6lq$jh8$...
>>>>> Peter Olcott wrote:
>>>>>> There are apparently Chinese equivalents to the digit
>>>>>> [0-9].
>>>>>> How does Java handle this for Chinese programmers?
>>>>>
>>>>> By making them use '0' through '9', as Jeff Higgins
>>>>> explained upthread.
>>>>
>>>> I am guessing that this prohibits mainland China
>>>> developers
>>>> from using java, because of their cultural purity laws.
>>>
>>> I don't know much about China.
>>>
>>> But what do they do when writing C code for GCC on
>>> their Linux flavor?
>>>
>>> Arne
>>>
>>
>> From what I understand they must write all code in assembly
>> language because no other language is sufficiently adapted
>> to their culture.
>>
>>
> Are there pure Chinese operating systems running pure Chinese
> processors? What is the Chinese word for Boolean?
>
>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson>

On 5/23/2010 2:46 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
> On 5/23/2010 1:57 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
>> On 5/23/2010 1:29 PM, Peter Olcott wrote:
>>> "Arne Vajhøj"<> wrote in message
>>> news:4bf936f1$0$285$...
>>>> On 23-05-2010 09:58, Peter Olcott wrote:
>>>>> "Lew"<> wrote in message
>>>>> news:hta6lq$jh8$...
>>>>>> Peter Olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> There are apparently Chinese equivalents to the digit
>>>>>>> [0-9].
>>>>>>> How does Java handle this for Chinese programmers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By making them use '0' through '9', as Jeff Higgins
>>>>>> explained upthread.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am guessing that this prohibits mainland China
>>>>> developers
>>>>> from using java, because of their cultural purity laws.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know much about China.
>>>>
>>>> But what do they do when writing C code for GCC on
>>>> their Linux flavor?
>>>>
>>>> Arne
>>>>
>>>
>>> From what I understand they must write all code in assembly
>>> language because no other language is sufficiently adapted
>>> to their culture.
>>>
>>>
>> Are there pure Chinese operating systems running pure Chinese
>> processors? What is the Chinese word for Boolean?
>>
>>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson>
>
>
<http://www.gdium.com/fr/group/58/home>

On 05/23/2010 09:56 AM, Peter Olcott wrote:
> "Lew"<> wrote in message
> news:hta6lq$jh8$...
>> Peter Olcott wrote:
>>> There are apparently Chinese equivalents to the digit
>>> [0-9].
>>> How does Java handle this for Chinese programmers?
>>
>> By making them use '0' through '9', as Jeff Higgins
>> explained upthread.
>
> Isn't this a little ethnocentristic?

I think I read somewhere that Greek mathematicians preferred the
Babylonian system when having to work with fractions, so preferring
others' numeral systems is nothing new. Heck, the standard numerals in
the Latin script are imported from Arabic--try doing long division with
Roman numerals.

Arabic numerals are probably the most widely-recognized number system,
and I have seen it used even in Japanese publications. If it's important
enough that people learn to recognize it for daily reading, than using
it as the only supported numeral system in an already Angloamerocentric
system isn't a big step.

I would also like to note that there are Roman numerals that most
programmers in the West would know pretty well, and they do have Unicode
support. I don't know of any programming language that accepts said
numerals as valid numbers. Well, non-esoteric programming language...

--
Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not
tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth

On 23-05-2010 13:29, Peter Olcott wrote:
> "Arne Vajhøj"<> wrote in message
> news:4bf936f1$0$285$...
>> On 23-05-2010 09:58, Peter Olcott wrote:
>>> "Lew"<> wrote in message
>>> news:hta6lq$jh8$...
>>>> Peter Olcott wrote:
>>>>> There are apparently Chinese equivalents to the digit
>>>>> [0-9].
>>>>> How does Java handle this for Chinese programmers?
>>>>
>>>> By making them use '0' through '9', as Jeff Higgins
>>>> explained upthread.
>>>
>>> I am guessing that this prohibits mainland China
>>> developers
>>> from using java, because of their cultural purity laws.
>>
>> I don't know much about China.
>>
>> But what do they do when writing C code for GCC on
>> their Linux flavor?
>
> From what I understand they must write all code in assembly
> language because no other language is sufficiently adapted
> to their culture.

All code in assembly??

I think someone has been playing a joke on you!

Arne