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python is not a new programming language ,it has been there for the
last .... 15+ years or so ? right ?

however by having a look at this page http://wiki.python.org/moin/Applications
i could not see many programs written in python (i will be interested
more in COMMERCIAL programs written in python ). and to be honest ,i
tried some of the programs in that list and all the programs that i
tried either dead projects or so buggy !

1- where are the programs that is written in python ?
2- python is high productivity language : why there are no commercial
programs written in python ?

is python a valid practical programming language ?
why it is not used in commercial software ?

please don't mention programs where python was used as a glue ,those
programs are not actually written in python.

any help will be appreciated

thank you

On 21 May 2010 11:21:11 UTC+1, Deep_Feelings <> wrote:
> 1- where are the programs that is written in python ?
> 2- python is high productivity language : why there are no commercial
> programs written in python ?

See http://www.python.org/about/success/

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Cheers,
Simon B.

On 05/21/10 11:21, Deep_Feelings wrote:
> python is not a new programming language ,it has been there for the
> last .... 15+ years or so ? right ?
Yeah about the same as Java
>
> however by having a look at this page http://wiki.python.org/moin/Applications
> i could not see many programs written in python (i will be interested
> more in COMMERCIAL programs written in python ). and to be honest ,i
> tried some of the programs in that list and all the programs that i
> tried either dead projects or so buggy !
It's a wiki, if anybody is interested they could change the page, I
actually have never looked at it.
>
> 1- where are the programs that is written in python ?
> 2- python is high productivity language : why there are no commercial
> programs written in python ?
>
> is python a valid practical programming language ?
> why it is not used in commercial software ?
My experience is that Python is the FreeBSD of the programming
languages. For example, the average user knows mac and windows, the
average admin knows there is also something like linux, and the average
linux admin knows there is also something like BSD.
>
> please don't mention programs where python was used as a glue ,those
> programs are not actually written in python.
Python is used in a lot in custom applications, while off the shelve
software needs a lot of buzzwords to shift any market interest.
I have participated in a couple of 'pure' Python programs, used by
Airbus, Randstad and a whole fleet of small firms. But yes, off the
shelve software seems to be either written in Java or any .net equivalent.
>
> any help will be appreciated
>
> thank you

hth
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On May 21, 1:35*pm, Simon Brunning <si...@brunningonline.net> wrote:
> On 21 May 2010 11:21:11 UTC+1, Deep_Feelings <doctore...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Seehttp://www.python.org/about/success/

thankx for reply.

from that list i have a feeling that python is acting only as "quick
and dirty work" nothing more !

Deep_Feelings wrote:
> On May 21, 1:35 pm, Simon Brunning <si...@brunningonline.net> wrote:
>> On 21 May 2010 11:21:11 UTC+1, Deep_Feelings <doctore...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Seehttp://www.python.org/about/success/
>
> thankx for reply.
>
> from that list i have a feeling that python is acting only as "quick
> and dirty work" nothing more !
Too bad, that still nobody feels insulted isn't it?

On 21 May 2010 12:12:18 UTC+1, Deep_Feelings <> wrote:
> from that list i have a feeling that python is acting only as "quick
> and dirty work" nothing more !

Really?

Well, in any case, I can tell you that I know of a number of large
commercial web sites built with Django. I just can't tell you what
they are.

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Cheers,
Simon B.

On Freitag 21 Mai 2010, Jake b wrote:
> > I don't know of any big game written in python. ( meaning
> > python code, using c++ libs

would you call 8702 python statements big? If so,
Kajongg would be a candidate.

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Wolfgang

On Fri, 2010-05-21 at 11:37 +0100, Martin P. Hellwig wrote:
> On 05/21/10 11:21, Deep_Feelings wrote:
> > however by having a look at this page http://wiki.python.org/moin/Applications
> > i could not see many programs written in python (i will be interested
> > more in COMMERCIAL programs written in python ). and to be honest ,i
> > tried some of the programs in that list and all the programs that i
> > tried either dead projects or so buggy !

Most projects are dead projects; that is just the natural state of
things regardless of language. Just browse Sourceforge for awhile.

> It's a wiki, if anybody is interested they could change the page, I
> actually have never looked at it.

I've looked it over, there is some interesting stuff. But why
contribute a story when you could be coding on your project! A
perennial problem.

> > 1- where are the programs that is written in python ?
> > 2- python is high productivity language : why there are no commercial
> > programs written in python ?
> > is python a valid practical programming language ?
> > why it is not used in commercial software ?

I suppose it depends on your use of the term "used". It is used a *lot*
in the SOA / Workflow world - in the form of Jython. That provides a
very nice way to extend Java applications [it is still Python! Python
is a language, not a runtime].

In general to 'core' of large applications are, IMO, easier to maintain
in the more rigid statically typed languages as the toolchain can do
more work for you. Of course someone here will have a fit about that
statement.

> > please don't mention programs where python was used as a glue

Why not?

And what about Gwibber? Zeitgeist? BitTorrent? Zope/Plone? Those are
all certainly "real" applications. Zope is almost an industry unto
itself.

> ,those programs are not actually written in python.

I think your distinction is not valid. "glue" is a vital part of every
enterprise. And the sophistication of some "glue" certainly surpasses
many "applications".

> Python is used in a lot in custom applications, while off the shelve
> software needs a lot of buzzwords to shift any market interest.
> I have participated in a couple of 'pure' Python programs, used by
> Airbus, Randstad and a whole fleet of small firms. But yes, off the
> shelve software seems to be either written in Java or any .net equivalent.

<http://hackerboss.com/how-to-distribute-commercial-python-applications/> is an interesting read. Certainly the 'packaging' mechanism is less end-user friendly than .NET. I personally would not choose to create an end-user application in Python; but it has become my first choice for server-side development.

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On May 21, 3:21*am, Deep_Feelings <doctore...@gmail.com> wrote:
> python is not a new programming language ,it has been there for the
> last .... 15+ years or so ? right ?
>
> however by having a look at this pagehttp://wiki.python.org/moin/Applications
> i could not see many programs written in python (i will be interested
> more in COMMERCIAL programs written in python ). and to be honest ,i
> tried some of the programs in that list and all the programs that i
> tried either dead projects or so buggy !
>
> 1- where are the programs that is written in python ?
> 2- python is high productivity language : why there are no commercial
> programs written in python ?
>
> is python a valid practical programming language ?
> why it is not used in commercial software ?
>
> please don't mention programs where python was used as a glue ,those
> programs are not actually written in python.
>
> any help will be appreciated
>
> thank you

I write commercial software full-time in Python (well, mixed with C++)
at ESRI. I have been able to make a living developing in Python full
time at various places for the last 4 years. I can assure you that
there is plenty of commercial software out there that uses Python. The
reason you don't *see* it is because the development language for a
commercial product is a lot less important than the functionality of
the product, so "WRITTEN IN PYTHON!!!!" is likely not going to be a
bullet point on a marketing slide. And quite frankly, it should be a
trade secret for the companies enlightened enough to use it as their
language of choice because it is to productive that it provides a
competitive advantage.

On 5/21/2010 7:12 AM, Deep_Feelings wrote:
> On May 21, 1:35 pm, Simon Brunning<si...@brunningonline.net> wrote:
>> On 21 May 2010 11:21:11 UTC+1, Deep_Feelings<doctore...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Seehttp://www.python.org/about/success/
>
> thankx for reply.
>
> from that list i have a feeling that python is acting only as "quick
> and dirty work" nothing more !

Try 'quick and clean' and you would be more accurate.

But that would not be so trollish, would it?

tjr