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Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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      05-12-2010
I see in the latest Harvey Norman brochure they’re offering two
configurations of the HP Mediasmart Server, one for $1099 and the other for
a couple hundred less. On top of which you can pay “from” $129 extra for
“installation and training”.

These are running “Windows Home Server”, which is built on an outdated
version of Windows Server. HP seem to be the only hardware vendor that
Microsoft has persuaded into building products around this software.

When was the last time you heard of anyone paying over a hundred bucks for
“installation and training” for what is meant to be a home appliance?

Somehow I don’t see these flying off the shelves...
 
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Richard
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      05-12-2010
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> I see in the latest Harvey Norman brochure they’re offering two
> configurations of the HP Mediasmart Server, one for $1099 and the other for
> a couple hundred less. On top of which you can pay “from” $129 extra for
> “installation and training”.
>
> These are running “Windows Home Server”, which is built on an outdated
> version of Windows Server. HP seem to be the only hardware vendor that
> Microsoft has persuaded into building products around this software.
>
> When was the last time you heard of anyone paying over a hundred bucks for
> “installation and training” for what is meant to be a home appliance?
>
> Somehow I don’t see these flying off the shelves...


All the time with home theaters, tvs etc.

Not everyone can put the red plug in the red socket etc.

People pay to have wireless routers installed. Thats a much simpler
appliance than a server.
 
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Sweetpea
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      05-12-2010
On Wed, 12 May 2010 21:55:33 +1200, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> When was the last time you heard of anyone paying over a hundred bucks
> for “installation and training” for what is meant to be a home
> appliance?


Better question: When was the last time you saw anyone pay more than $50 for training on how to use
_any_ "home" version of Microsoft Windows?

The "Home" versions of Microsoft Windows are crippled and limited versions of Microsoft Windows. No
sensible person would pay _any_ money for them let alone pay for training on how to use them!


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Sweetpea
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      05-12-2010
On Wed, 12 May 2010 22:27:44 +1200, EMB wrote:

>> When was the last time you heard of anyone paying over a hundred bucks
>> for “installation and training” for what is meant to be a home
>> appliance?

>
> That is fairly normal with dishwashers, washing machines and the like.


Bullshit!

You get the instruction booklet. No training is offered - purchased or otherwise - on how to operate or
maintain the appliance!


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PeeCee
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      05-12-2010

"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <(E-Mail Removed)_zealand> wrote in message
news:hsdtul$lcc$(E-Mail Removed)...
> I see in the latest Harvey Norman brochure they’re offering two
> configurations of the HP Mediasmart Server, one for $1099 and the other
> for
> a couple hundred less. On top of which you can pay “from” $129 extra for
> “installation and training”.
>
> These are running “Windows Home Server”, which is built on an outdated
> version of Windows Server. HP seem to be the only hardware vendor that
> Microsoft has persuaded into building products around this software.
>
> When was the last time you heard of anyone paying over a hundred bucks for
> “installation and training” for what is meant to be a home appliance?

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Lawrence

See it all the time.
There are a lot of people out there who are 'very' happy to fork out money
for some one to just 'make it happen'
PC's are not an 'home appliance' they are way more complex under the skin
than that.
Think in terms of : you don't have to be an Electrician to work the lights /
power points, but you have to be an Electrician to put it together in the
first place.

You have to remember you know how computers work, a significant chunk of the
population do not.
They are often to young, to old, not interested or to busy.
In fact a lot of them find Personal Computers 'frustrating' to use, not an
endless source of fascination and entertainment.

Let me put it to you this way:
Think of something you do 'not' like doing.
Washing the dog/cat/car, mowing the lawn, grocery shopping or doing the
books? ie something you keep putting off because it is uninteresting or 'too
hard'
So what do you do?
Yep you employ a groomer, lawn mower, student or accountant to do the task
'and you pay them money' for doing so.

Sure you won't pay the groomer/Lawn mower/student to much, but what about
the accountant?
Yes they do very nicely thank you very much, because sorting the books is
not something a lot of people want/can do.
If you're an accountant it's easy, you understand how it works but because
of the depth of knowledge required the market will stand a higher fee.
Exactly the same as other people understand how computers work and will 'fix
it' for those that don't (for a price)

How much would 'you' charge to pick up a PC, deliver, unpack, setup, test
for?
$25 ?
Give me a break, if some one is employing you to do that they are also going
to consume time 'consulting' with you on what to buy and who to buy it from.
Then when you get it set up they do the classic 'oh while you are here'
routine and produce a list as long as your arm.
Then when you do finish for the next few days you get a stream of phone
calls 'how do i ...' 'where is my' questions.
How long did all that take?


Paul.

 
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peterwn
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      05-12-2010
On May 12, 11:36*pm, Richard <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
...
>
> All the time with home theaters, tvs etc.
>
> Not everyone can put the red plug in the red socket etc.
>
> People pay to have wireless routers installed. Thats a much simpler
> appliance than a server.


Someone I knew signed up for Orcon DSL. They couriered a pre-
configured modem but she could not get it to work. I went to help and
connected filters to her phones. Still did not work. She assured me
all phones were accounted for. This was the first time I had brushed
with DSL (I have cable) so I did not know quite what to expect. She
got a technician who unearthed another phone! Grrrrr!
 
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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      05-12-2010
In message <hse9aq$hq5$(E-Mail Removed)>, PeeCee wrote:

> "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <(E-Mail Removed)_zealand> wrote in message
> news:hsdtul$lcc$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>> When was the last time you heard of anyone paying over a hundred bucks
>> for “installation and training” for what is meant to be a home appliance?

>
> Yep you employ a groomer, lawn mower, student or accountant to do the task
> 'and you pay them money' for doing so.


Yes, but none of those payments includes “training” for _you_ to do the job.
You pay them, _they_ do the work.

It seems to me there’s a market for a specialist, like an accountant or
plumber, to install and look after this sort of thing for customers. The
question is, how much would they be willing to pay for it?
 
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~misfit~
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      05-12-2010
Somewhere on teh intarwebs PeeCee wrote:
> "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <(E-Mail Removed)_zealand> wrote in
> message news:hsdtul$lcc$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> I see in the latest Harvey Norman brochure they're offering two
>> configurations of the HP Mediasmart Server, one for $1099 and the
>> other for
>> a couple hundred less. On top of which you can pay "from" $129 extra
>> for "installation and training".
>>
>> These are running "Windows Home Server", which is built on an
>> outdated version of Windows Server. HP seem to be the only hardware
>> vendor that Microsoft has persuaded into building products around
>> this software. When was the last time you heard of anyone paying over a
>> hundred
>> bucks for "installation and training" for what is meant to be a home
>> appliance?

> snip
>
> Lawrence
>
> See it all the time.
> There are a lot of people out there who are 'very' happy to fork out
> money for some one to just 'make it happen'
> PC's are not an 'home appliance' they are way more complex under the
> skin than that.
> Think in terms of : you don't have to be an Electrician to work the
> lights / power points, but you have to be an Electrician to put it
> together in the first place.
>
> You have to remember you know how computers work, a significant chunk
> of the population do not.
> They are often to young, to old, not interested or to busy.
> In fact a lot of them find Personal Computers 'frustrating' to use,
> not an endless source of fascination and entertainment.
>
> Let me put it to you this way:
> Think of something you do 'not' like doing.
> Washing the dog/cat/car, mowing the lawn, grocery shopping or doing
> the books? ie something you keep putting off because it is
> uninteresting or 'too hard'
> So what do you do?
> Yep you employ a groomer, lawn mower, student or accountant to do the
> task 'and you pay them money' for doing so.
>
> Sure you won't pay the groomer/Lawn mower/student to much, but what
> about the accountant?
> Yes they do very nicely thank you very much, because sorting the
> books is not something a lot of people want/can do.
> If you're an accountant it's easy, you understand how it works but
> because of the depth of knowledge required the market will stand a
> higher fee. Exactly the same as other people understand how computers
> work and will 'fix it' for those that don't (for a price)
>
> How much would 'you' charge to pick up a PC, deliver, unpack, setup,
> test for?
> $25 ?
> Give me a break, if some one is employing you to do that they are
> also going to consume time 'consulting' with you on what to buy and
> who to buy it from. Then when you get it set up they do the classic
> 'oh while you are here' routine and produce a list as long as your
> arm. Then when you do finish for the next few days you get a stream of
> phone calls 'how do i ...' 'where is my' questions.
> How long did all that take?


The voice of reason Paul.

When I was in my locl DSE last month the manager[ess] asked me if I wanted
to be one of their 'nerds'. They offer a service where you can get a 'nerd'
to come and set up your purchase. In fact I think it might go further than
that... Anyway, she said that the demand was too high to send out shop staff
all the time...

There's certainly a market for that sort of thing, getting someone to set up
/ fine-tune your increasingly complicated AV system, or computer system (or
a convergence of the two).... Consumer electronics aren't as
consumer-friendly as they once were, and I used to be the guy to call in my
neighbourhood back in the days when VCRs first hit the market. I must have
set up more than 50% of them in the community. People would talk, say "I
can't even get the clock set yet alone programme it" and get told "Shaun set
mine up for me after I'd given up and there was a blinking display all the
time...". Word of mouth cost me a lot of time. <g>
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Bruce Sinclair
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      05-12-2010
In article <hsdvqu$9ug$(E-Mail Removed)>, EMB <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>On 12/05/2010 9:55 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> I see in the latest Harvey Norman brochure they’re offering two
>> configurations of the HP Mediasmart Server, one for $1099 and the other for
>> a couple hundred less. On top of which you can pay “from” $129 extra for
>> “installation and training”.
>>
>> These are running “Windows Home Server”, which is built on an outdated
>> version of Windows Server. HP seem to be the only hardware vendor that
>> Microsoft has persuaded into building products around this software.
>>
>> When was the last time you heard of anyone paying over a hundred bucks for
>> “installation and training” for what is meant to be a home appliance?

>
>That is fairly normal with dishwashers, washing machines and the like.


... in what universe ? Dishwashers etc are plugin, switch on appliances
... OK, often fairly clever ones these days, but "installation" ? ...
"training" ?
... and paying for this ? incredible. Maybe for delivery ... up to $20 maybe
if you are a long way from the shop ?





 
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Bruce Sinclair
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      05-12-2010
In article <hsetqa$5o4$(E-Mail Removed)>, EMB <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>On 12/05/2010 11:41 p.m., Sweetpea wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 May 2010 22:27:44 +1200, EMB wrote:
>>>> When was the last time you heard of anyone paying over a hundred bucks
>>>> for “installation and training” for what is meant to be a home
>>>> appliance?
>>> That is fairly normal with dishwashers, washing machines and the like.

>> Bullshit!
>> You get the instruction booklet. No training is offered - purchased or

> otherwise - on how to operate or
>> maintain the appliance!

>You really are an ignorant **** aren't you. Try getting either of the
>above delivered and installed from say your local Noel Leemings. They
>will charge you for the service, and the installation monkey will give
>you some training before he departs.


Ah, well there's your problem then. Why would you pay for anything from a
monkey ?
They can't charge you extra for something you don't want/agree to, so don't.
"Problem" solved.




 
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