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"Jenn" <> wrote in message news:hsajot$vnp$... > > "rf" <> wrote in message > news:y84Gn.24098$... >> >> "Jenn" <> wrote in message >> news:hsai3l$s5r$... >> >>> Ideas: >>> http://snipurl.com/w4xqb >>> >>> http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamici...photoalbum.htm >> >> which, like just about everything at dynamicdrive, fails miserably if >> Javascript is disabled. The thumbnails are not even *displayed* on that >> page without Javascript, although, stupidly, the credits for them are  >> >> Hint: the single most important visitor to your site does not have >> javascript enabled. > > > Do you know anyone who disables javascript on purpose? FWIW.. most people > have no idea how to do that, let alone would disable js unless they are > just specifically looking to do so.. and then, such people would know how > to turn it back on. > > The problem I have with all this stuff is that there is no code that will > be perfect to work in every scenario for every browser and every viewer > that hits a page. If someone disables javascript on a page that uses it, > then it's too bad for them. If they want to view the page.. let them > enable javascript. It's not people who I am concerned with. It's that most important visitor mentioned above. The search engine bot. If you use javascript to insert content (eg. images) onto a page, as the page you mention above appears to do, then google will never see that content. Besides, what that page does is a simple exercise to code in a fully cross browser mannar, and also in a mannar that degrades gracefully in the absense of javascript, so google will be able to index the site properly |
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"rf" <> wrote in message news:3X4Gn.24107$... > >>>> Ideas: >>>> http://snipurl.com/w4xqb >>>> >>>> http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamici...photoalbum.htm >>> >>> which, like just about everything at dynamicdrive, fails miserably if >>> Javascript is disabled. The thumbnails are not even *displayed* on that >>> page without Javascript, although, stupidly, the credits for them are >>> >>> >>> Hint: the single most important visitor to your site does not have >>> javascript enabled. >> >> >> Do you know anyone who disables javascript on purpose? FWIW.. most >> people have no idea how to do that, let alone would disable js unless >> they are just specifically looking to do so.. and then, such people would >> know how to turn it back on. >> >> The problem I have with all this stuff is that there is no code that will >> be perfect to work in every scenario for every browser and every viewer >> that hits a page. If someone disables javascript on a page that uses it, >> then it's too bad for them. If they want to view the page.. let them >> enable javascript. > It's not people who I am concerned with. It's that most important visitor > mentioned above. The search engine bot. > > If you use javascript to insert content (eg. images) onto a page, as the > page you mention above appears to do, then google will never see that > content. > > Besides, what that page does is a simple exercise to code in a fully cross > browser mannar, and also in a mannar that degrades gracefully in the > absense of javascript, so google will be able to index the site properly the page was a suggestion or an idea... use it .. don't use it ... it doesn't matter to me either way. A person can keep trying to get the perfect page and never get the page working so anyone can appreciate it, or you can do something now and get the page up in a timely manner. If all someone wants to do is code for the google bot, I imagine there are other ways to do that and still use some of those ideas on dynamic drive. Why re-invent the wheel? I don't understand why it's so difficult to get a page going that will work for a great many people and the browsers they use... but might not work perfect for a small number of people. I don't think it's possible to have a perfect website and perfect code and the site look nice all at the same time with everything sheer perfection. It doesn't exist. -- Jenn (from Oklahoma) |
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"Jenn" <> wrote in message news:hsaml6$89m$... > > "rf" <> wrote in message > news:3X4Gn.24107$... >> >>>>> Ideas: >>>>> http://snipurl.com/w4xqb >>>>> >>>>> http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamici...photoalbum.htm >>>> >>>> which, like just about everything at dynamicdrive, fails miserably if >>>> Javascript is disabled. The thumbnails are not even *displayed* on that >>>> page without Javascript, although, stupidly, the credits for them are >>>> >>>> >>>> Hint: the single most important visitor to your site does not have >>>> javascript enabled. >>> >>> >>> Do you know anyone who disables javascript on purpose? FWIW.. most >>> people have no idea how to do that, let alone would disable js unless >>> they are just specifically looking to do so.. and then, such people >>> would know how to turn it back on. >>> >>> The problem I have with all this stuff is that there is no code that >>> will be perfect to work in every scenario for every browser and every >>> viewer that hits a page. If someone disables javascript on a page that >>> uses it, then it's too bad for them. If they want to view the page.. let >>> them enable javascript. > > >> It's not people who I am concerned with. It's that most important visitor >> mentioned above. The search engine bot. >> >> If you use javascript to insert content (eg. images) onto a page, as the >> page you mention above appears to do, then google will never see that >> content. >> >> Besides, what that page does is a simple exercise to code in a fully >> cross browser mannar, and also in a mannar that degrades gracefully in >> the absense of javascript, so google will be able to index the site >> properly > > > the page was a suggestion or an idea... use it .. don't use it ... it > doesn't matter to me either way. A person can keep trying to get the > perfect page and never get the page working so anyone can appreciate it, > or you can do something now and get the page up in a timely manner. If > all someone wants to do is code for the google bot, I imagine there are > other ways to do that and still use some of those ideas on dynamic drive. > Why re-invent the wheel? I don't understand why it's so difficult to get > a page going that will work for a great many people and the browsers they > use... but might not work perfect for a small number of people. I don't > think it's possible to have a perfect website and perfect code and the > site look nice all at the same time with everything sheer perfection. It > doesn't exist. Yes Jenn, it does. A page with zero HTML errors. A page with zero CSS errors. A page with zero Javascript errors. A page that will display correctly for all current and future browsers including the one in next years telephone and will degrade gracefully for all past browsers all the way back to lynx. And a page that is also asthetically pleasing and conveys the content in exactly the mannar for which it was designed. Such pages do exist. People are creating them all the time. It is not easy do to but it is not very hard either. I created one just the other day. But it is true that these pages are a bit rarer than all the hundreds of millions of junk pages out there, including many of the junk scripts from dynamicdrive. |
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"Jenn" <> wrote in message news:hsan64$a15$... > > "rf" <> wrote in message > news:u55Gn.24108$... >> >> "Jenn" <> wrote in message >> news:hsalpc$4cn$... >>> >>> "Jonathan N. Little" <> wrote in message >>> news:hsakrv$ssv$... >>>> Jenn wrote: >>>>> "rf"<> wrote in message >>>>> news:y84Gn.24098$... >>>> >>>>>> Hint: the single most important visitor to your site does not have >>>>>> javascript enabled. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Do you know anyone who disables javascript on purpose? FWIW.. most >>>>> people >>>>> have no idea how to do that, let alone would disable js unless they >>>>> are just >>>>> specifically looking to do so.. and then, such people would know how >>>>> to turn >>>>> it back on. >>>> >>>> You missed the hint! The Google spider does not have javascript enable. > >>> so? does that mean you don't put any javascript on a website? No. > > >> No it does not mean that at all. It means that you use javascript to >> *enhance what is already there*. >> >> Those thumbnails should be links and they should be coded in the page >> using vanilla HTML a elements. That way google can follow them. >> >> It's fine, once the page actually works, to jazz it up with a bit of >> javascript but you most definately should *not* use javascript to "write" >> content into the page. >> >> The most absurdly stupid thing I've ever seen was a site that used flash >> for its primary navigation. Google saw the first page and that was it. >> When I pointed this out to the sites owner her eyes glazed over until I >> showed her exactly which page (one, index.html) was in googles database, >> whereupon she tore strips of her "web designer". A lot of those >> javascript dropdown menus (and many of them come from dynamicdrive) >> behave like this as well. Google simply can not index anthing past the >> first page. > > > Thus far I've seen many people make suggestions as to how to do that page > for the photos, and no one has an answer and nothing has worked that > anyone else has suggested. I'm beginning to think all this talk about > perfect pages is just smoke in the wind. How long should it take to find > a solution? Do this.. don't do that.. if you do that it won't work if you > resize the font .. if you do the other thing it won't work in such and > such browser. You could take weeks only to find out there is no perfect > solution. How is doing it your way better, or faster, or improved in any > way or how I would do it if you can't even agree on a solution that will > be perfect? It's kind of frustrating to watch someone ask a question and > there be no solution at all. http://www.neredbojias.org/cgalx.html seems to me to be a pretty good stab at it |
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