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David J Taylor
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      04-12-2010

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> On 10-04-11 14:44 , Alfred Molon wrote:
>> You're assuming everybody wants to have a sensor as large as possible.
>> But most people are primarily concerned with portability, which is why
>> compact cameras are so popular. Not everybody wants to lug around a
>> large and heavy DSLR, and even fewer people want to carry around a FF
>> DSLR.

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> By that logic you want a camera phone.


I would like a camera the size of a compact, but with the lens reach and
ISO capabilities of a DSLR. Physics tells me that my wishes will go
unfulfilled.

David

 
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>> On 10-04-11 14:44 , Alfred Molon wrote:
>>> You're assuming everybody wants to have a sensor as large as possible.
>>> But most people are primarily concerned with portability, which is why
>>> compact cameras are so popular. Not everybody wants to lug around a
>>> large and heavy DSLR, and even fewer people want to carry around a FF
>>> DSLR.

>>
>> By that logic you want a camera phone.

>
> I would like a camera the size of a compact, but with the lens reach and
> ISO capabilities of a DSLR. Physics tells me that my wishes will go
> unfulfilled.


I believe it will come, but of course even if a micro-sensor just 1mm can do
the job of a full frame sensor today, then when that happens a full frame
of those1mm sensors will be better still. So size will always be important,
which is why Viagra sells so well



 
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> In article <hpuf03$scg$(E-Mail Removed)-september.org>, david-
> http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/(E-Mail Removed)lid says...
>> I would like a camera the size of a compact, but with the lens reach
>> and
>> ISO capabilities of a DSLR. Physics tells me that my wishes will go
>> unfulfilled.

>
> Olympus E-PL1 perhaps? It has the same size as a compact camera.


Thanks for the suggestion, Alfred, but it won't be the same size with a
lens of the reach of my 300mm lens on a DX camera - 450mm equivalent. Nor
does it have an optical viewfinder or even an EVF.

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David

 
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On Apr 12, 8:30*am, "whisky-dave" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> "David J Taylor" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in messagenews:hpuf03$scg$(E-Mail Removed)-september.org...
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> > "Alan Browne" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> >> On 10-04-11 14:44 , Alfred Molon wrote:
> >>> You're assuming everybody wants to have a sensor as large as possible..
> >>> But most people are primarily concerned with portability, which is why
> >>> compact cameras are so popular. Not everybody wants to lug around a
> >>> large and heavy DSLR, and even fewer people want to carry around a FF
> >>> DSLR.

>
> >> By that logic you want a camera phone.

>
> > I would like a camera the size of a compact, but with the lens reach and
> > ISO capabilities of a DSLR. *Physics tells me that my wishes will go
> > unfulfilled.

>
> I believe it will come, but of course even if a micro-sensor just 1mm can do
> the job of a full frame sensor today, then when that happens a full frame
> of those1mm sensors will be better still. So size will always be important,
> which is why Viagra sells so well


These grand predictions for sensor performance improvements will never
come to pass. Sensors as a group haven't changed in 20 years, not
very much and they are already highly efficient. You are never going
to see a tiny P&S sensor come anywhere near where a full frame sensor
performs, it just isn't going to happen.
 
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      04-13-2010

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On Apr 12, 8:30 am, "whisky-dave" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> "David J Taylor" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> > "Alan Browne" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> >> On 10-04-11 14:44 , Alfred Molon wrote:
> >>> You're assuming everybody wants to have a sensor as large as possible.
> >>> But most people are primarily concerned with portability, which is why
> >>> compact cameras are so popular. Not everybody wants to lug around a
> >>> large and heavy DSLR, and even fewer people want to carry around a FF
> >>> DSLR.

>
> >> By that logic you want a camera phone.

>
> > I would like a camera the size of a compact, but with the lens reach and
> > ISO capabilities of a DSLR. Physics tells me that my wishes will go
> > unfulfilled.

>
> I believe it will come, but of course even if a micro-sensor just 1mm can
> do
> the job of a full frame sensor today, then when that happens a full frame
> of those1mm sensors will be better still. So size will always be
> important,
> which is why Viagra sells so well


}These grand predictions for sensor performance improvements will never
}come to pass.

I believe they will.

}Sensors as a group haven't changed in 20 years,

They have, check out a digital camera of 20 years ago.

}not
}very much and they are already highly efficient.
Were they highly efficient 20 years ago.
Remember that Photoshop came out 20 years ago.

} You are never going
}to see a tiny P&S sensor come anywhere near where a full frame sensor
}performs, it just isn't going to happen.

I agree and that's not what I said.
if yuo take one of the cheap P&Ss today and compare the sensor
with that of a digital SLR 20 years ago, I think you'd be quite pleased
with thye reesults of todays P&Ss compared with DSLRs of 20 years ago with a
full sensor.



 
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