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victor
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      04-12-2010
On 12/04/10 22:33, Sweetpea wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:18:26 +1200, victor wrote:
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>>> Irrelevant. In the USA patents are regularly challenged and ruled to be
>>> invalid.

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>> Yet the RSA patent held by MIT for its full term wasn't.

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> Was it a patent that got challenged?
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> Was such a patent registered here in NZ or only in the USA - a nation that has defective patent laws?
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>

Obviously MIT patented their US invention in the US.
NZ is insignificant to them.
 
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      04-12-2010
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:07:53 +1200, victor wrote:

>>> Yet the RSA patent held by MIT for its full term wasn't.

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>> Was it a patent that got challenged?
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>> Was such a patent registered here in NZ or only in the USA - a nation
>> that has defective patent laws?
>>
>>

> Obviously MIT patented their US invention in the US. NZ is insignificant
> to them.


So, it was never patented.

What happens in the USA (with respect to patents) is not relevant to NZ.


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      04-12-2010
On 13/04/2010 12:11 a.m., Sweetpea wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:07:53 +1200, victor wrote:
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>>>> Yet the RSA patent held by MIT for its full term wasn't.
>>>
>>> Was it a patent that got challenged?
>>>
>>> Was such a patent registered here in NZ or only in the USA - a nation
>>> that has defective patent laws?
>>>
>>>

>> Obviously MIT patented their US invention in the US. NZ is insignificant
>> to them.

>
> So, it was never patented.
>
> What happens in the USA (with respect to patents) is not relevant to NZ.
>
>

Except if you want to sell software that infringes US patents to US
customers or anywhere else it is patented, you are completely ****ed,
regardless of whether it is patented in New Zealand or not.
That's why revising software patent laws in NZ is symbolic, but
practically of little significance.
 
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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      04-13-2010
In message <(E-Mail Removed)>, Sweetpea wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:00:14 +1200, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
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>> In message <(E-Mail Removed)>, Sweetpea wrote:
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>>> That's because Microsoft has a financial interest in pushing for the
>>> patenting of mathematical algorithms (which cannot be patented).

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>> Then how come RSA got patented?

>
> I can't explain how RSA got patented.


Maybe you should learn a bit more about patents before spouting off.
 
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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      04-13-2010
In message <(E-Mail Removed)>, Sweetpea wrote:

> What happens in the USA (with respect to patents) is not relevant to NZ.


It most certainly is. I have had one client receive a threat of litigation
over a US-registered patent.
 
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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      04-13-2010
The New Zealand Computer Society also opposes software patents
<http://nzoss.org.nz/news/2010/nz-computer-society-software-patents>:

... I would like to first say that we believe that everyone has a
fundamental right to protect their own property, and consequently
support the *concept* of Copyright and Intellectual Property.

However this has to be balanced against the huge damage software patents
have caused to the ICT sector in overseas jurisdictions - it hasn't been
pretty ...

 
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      04-14-2010
In message <hpn1oi$puj$(E-Mail Removed)>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> Powerful opposition is gathering ...


“Software patent ban could damage investment”
<http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/development/software-patent-ban-could-damage-investment>:

Any exclusion of software from the New Zealand patents regime will “suck
the lifeblood” out of the New Zealand software development industry,
says Chris Auld, director of strategy and innovation at Microsoft-
specialist developer Intergen.

Completely ignoring all the evidence to the contrary...

And the NZICT says
<http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/nzict-says-patents-integral-to-software-protection>:

“Software patents, while acknowledged as a less than perfect solution in
some areas, are none-the-less integral to an individual or company’s
right for commercial protection and essential for competing globally. We
believe that it is very important that companies retain the option to
protect their innovations under patent law, if that is their choice”

Forgetting, of course, that software already has copyright protection, why
does it need patenting as well? Nothing else we create gets to double-dip
the legal system in this way.

 
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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      04-14-2010
Orion Health, which claims to be NZ’s largest application vendor, is against
software patents
<http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/development/orion-health-backs-moves-to-block-patents>:

[CEO Ian] McCrae does not believe a patent offers an innovative software
company like his any practical protection in any case.

“We would have to change the nature of our business and become a patents
company,” he says. “We are a software company. Our best protection is to
innovate and innovate fast.”

Which reinforces the point that patents do not benefit the innovators in a
growing business, they instead tend to be used by incumbents to block new
competition.
 
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      04-16-2010
In message <hq196i$q88$(E-Mail Removed)>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> The New Zealand Computer Society also opposes software patents ...


.... and has sent a letter to the Commerce Minister saying so. Apparently a
“quick poll” found 80% of its membership in favour of this stance
<http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/nzcs-lobbies-to-end-patent-protection-for-software>.
 
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