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Somewhere on teh intarwebs starlyte wrote:
[snip]
> my problem with this is once she exits out of IE the wineserver cranks
> up to 100% cpu usage on one core. While it does not adversly affect
> the laptops usefulness. it does make it hot and at times the machine
> shuts it self off as its reached 100 degrees (feature, not a problem)

> off hand i cant remember the exact specs. but its not a little guy
> intel dual core T7xx series cpu

I'd be curious to know what manufacurer put a CPU into a laptop that can't
even be used much over 50% of it's potential without it shutting down due to
thermal overload and having you think that it's a frickin' FEATURE!. That's
some damn good marketing. Either that or you've compromisd the cooling by
letting it get dusty or whatever inside.

My Intel T7400 (2.13GHz) Core2Duo in this T60 ThinkPad can run both cores
100% (Prime95 et al) and the die temp doesn't go over 75 degrees. Sure, the
fan gets loud but the CPU doesn't even get near Intel's trhermal throttling
range let alone shutdown.
--
Shaun.

"Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's
warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchet, 'Jingo'.

On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:34:00 -0600, "impossible"
<> wrote:

>
>"~misfit~" <> wrote in message
>news:hi90ku$bkl$...
>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs starlyte wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> my problem with this is once she exits out of IE the wineserver cranks
>>> up to 100% cpu usage on one core. While it does not adversly affect
>>> the laptops usefulness. it does make it hot and at times the machine
>>> shuts it self off as its reached 100 degrees (feature, not a problem)
>>
>>> off hand i cant remember the exact specs. but its not a little guy
>>> intel dual core T7xx series cpu
>>
>> I'd be curious to know what manufacurer put a CPU into a laptop that can't
>> even be used much over 50% of it's potential without it shutting down due
>> to thermal overload and having you think that it's a frickin' FEATURE!.
>> That's some damn good marketing. Either that or you've compromisd the
>> cooling by letting it get dusty or whatever inside.
>>
>> My Intel T7400 (2.13GHz) Core2Duo in this T60 ThinkPad can run both cores
>> 100% (Prime95 et al) and the die temp doesn't go over 75 degrees. Sure,
>> the fan gets loud but the CPU doesn't even get near Intel's trhermal
>> throttling range let alone shutdown.
>> --
>>
>
>It's not unusual for badly designed software (or malware) to hog the cpu and
>cause the OP's symptoms. And yes, as a defense against those kind of rogue
>applications, automatic thermal shutdown is a cpu feature.

You rather seem to have missed misfit's point. Barring dust or
clogged or damaged venting, a properly designed laptop should be able
to run its CPU cores at 100% forever without the temperature exceeding
the limit. If that is not the case, and this laptop was advertised as
having a CPU that can do xxx GHz and the buyer was not told that it
would do thermal shutdown if he actually ran it at xxx GHz for a
while, then the seller was clearly in breach of the FTA and/or CGA and
the buyer should be getting his money back because it does not work as
advertised.

Somewhere on teh intarwebs Stephen Worthington wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:34:00 -0600, "impossible"
> <> wrote:
>> "~misfit~" <> wrote in message
>> news:hi90ku$bkl$...
>>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs starlyte wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>> my problem with this is once she exits out of IE the wineserver
>>>> cranks up to 100% cpu usage on one core. While it does not
>>>> adversly affect the laptops usefulness. it does make it hot and at
>>>> times the machine shuts it self off as its reached 100 degrees
>>>> (feature, not a problem)
>>>
>>>> off hand i cant remember the exact specs. but its not a little guy
>>>> intel dual core T7xx series cpu
>>>
>>> I'd be curious to know what manufacurer put a CPU into a laptop
>>> that can't even be used much over 50% of it's potential without it
>>> shutting down due to thermal overload and having you think that
>>> it's a frickin' FEATURE!. That's some damn good marketing. Either
>>> that or you've compromisd the cooling by letting it get dusty or
>>> whatever inside.
>>>
>>> My Intel T7400 (2.13GHz) Core2Duo in this T60 ThinkPad can run both
>>> cores 100% (Prime95 et al) and the die temp doesn't go over 75
>>> degrees. Sure, the fan gets loud but the CPU doesn't even get near
>>> Intel's thermal throttling range let alone shutdown.
>>
>> It's not unusual for badly designed software (or malware) to hog the
>> cpu and cause the OP's symptoms. And yes, as a defense against those
>> kind of rogue applications, automatic thermal shutdown is a cpu
>> feature.
>
> You rather seem to have missed misfit's point. Barring dust or
> clogged or damaged venting, a properly designed laptop should be able
> to run its CPU cores at 100% forever without the temperature exceeding
> the limit. If that is not the case, and this laptop was advertised as
> having a CPU that can do xxx GHz and the buyer was not told that it
> would do thermal shutdown if he actually ran it at xxx GHz for a
> while, then the seller was clearly in breach of the FTA and/or CGA and
> the buyer should be getting his money back because it does not work as
> advertised.

Thank you Stephen, for seeing my point and trying to explain it to one of
the errr, bozos in my bozo-bin.

I want to know what brand and model of laptop it is so I know to avoid it
like the plague, (unless it's been/being abused and/or not cleaned after use
in a dusty environment).
--
Cheers,
Shaun.

"Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's
warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchet, 'Jingo'.

Somewhere on teh intarwebs starlyte wrote:
> On Jan 9, 5:28 pm, "~misfit~" <sore_n_ha...@yahoo-nospam.com.au>
> wrote:
>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs starlyte wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>>> my problem with this is once she exits out of IE the wineserver
>>> cranks up to 100% cpu usage on one core. While it does not adversly
>>> affect the laptops usefulness. it does make it hot and at times the
>>> machine shuts it self off as its reached 100 degrees (feature, not
>>> a problem) off hand i cant remember the exact specs. but its not a
>>> little guy intel dual core T7xx series cpu
>>
>> I'd be curious to know what manufacurer put a CPU into a laptop that
>> can't even be used much over 50% of it's potential without it
>> shutting down due to thermal overload and having you think that it's
>> a frickin' FEATURE!. That's some damn good marketing. Either that or
>> you've compromisd the cooling by letting it get dusty or whatever
>> inside.
>>
>> My Intel T7400 (2.13GHz) Core2Duo in this T60 ThinkPad can run both
>> cores 100% (Prime95 et al) and the die temp doesn't go over 75
>> degrees. Sure, the fan gets loud but the CPU doesn't even get near
>> Intel's trhermal throttling range let alone shutdown.
>
> this is more then likely the way we use the laptop... it often sits on
> the arm of a couch.. so it does not get alot of air flow. Sitting on a
> table im sure it will manage its temperatures just fine. but my point
> really was that wine wont exit cleanly

Does sitting it on the arm of the couch block a vent? If not it is likely to
allow *more* air circulation than sitting flat on a table would.

You didn't answer my question.....
--
Shaun.

"Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's
warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchet, 'Jingo'.

On 2010-01-10, Stephen Worthington <_numbers> wrote:

[snip]
>
> You rather seem to have missed misfit's point. Barring dust or
> clogged or damaged venting, a properly designed laptop should be able
> to run its CPU cores at 100% forever without the temperature exceeding
> the limit.

Care to site a Maufacturer's warrantee or other reference. No, I am not
being whatever.

How many engines are run at max power 100% of the time they are running?

The point is did it fail under normal/reasonable use.

On 2010-01-10, impossible <> wrote:
>
> "Stephen Worthington" <_numbers> wrote in
> message news:...
>> On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:34:00 -0600, "impossible"
>> <> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"~misfit~" <> wrote in message
>>>news:hi90ku$bkl$...
>>>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs starlyte wrote:
>>>> [snip]
>>>>> my problem with this is once she exits out of IE the wineserver cranks
>>>>> up to 100% cpu usage on one core. While it does not adversly affect
>>>>> the laptops usefulness. it does make it hot and at times the machine
>>>>> shuts it self off as its reached 100 degrees (feature, not a problem)
>>>>
>>>>> off hand i cant remember the exact specs. but its not a little guy
>>>>> intel dual core T7xx series cpu
>>>>
>>>> I'd be curious to know what manufacurer put a CPU into a laptop that
>>>> can't
>>>> even be used much over 50% of it's potential without it shutting down
>>>> due
>>>> to thermal overload and having you think that it's a frickin' FEATURE!.
>>>> That's some damn good marketing. Either that or you've compromisd the
>>>> cooling by letting it get dusty or whatever inside.
>>>>
>>>> My Intel T7400 (2.13GHz) Core2Duo in this T60 ThinkPad can run both
>>>> cores
>>>> 100% (Prime95 et al) and the die temp doesn't go over 75 degrees. Sure,
>>>> the fan gets loud but the CPU doesn't even get near Intel's trhermal
>>>> throttling range let alone shutdown.
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>
>>>It's not unusual for badly designed software (or malware) to hog the cpu
>>>and
>>>cause the OP's symptoms. And yes, as a defense against those kind of rogue
>>>applications, automatic thermal shutdown is a cpu feature.
>>
>> You rather seem to have missed misfit's point.
>
> No, I ignored ~misfit~'s point -- which, as usual, is irrelevant.

As is this ng to you. Please leave now.

Gordon wrote:
> On 2010-01-10, Stephen Worthington <_numbers> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>> You rather seem to have missed misfit's point. Barring dust or
>> clogged or damaged venting, a properly designed laptop should be able
>> to run its CPU cores at 100% forever without the temperature exceeding
>> the limit.
>
> Care to site a Maufacturer's warrantee or other reference. No, I am not
> being whatever.
>
> How many engines are run at max power 100% of the time they are running?
>
> The point is did it fail under normal/reasonable use.

100% is normal, its not an engine, its a switching semiconductor device,
all it has in it is transistors.
All it needs is its specified thermal dissipation, it should never have
less.
To use your defective car analogy that would be like running with no
coolant.

In message <>, Gordon wrote:

> How many engines are run at max power 100% of the time they are running?

The old VW Beetle.

In message <99eaf011-b8b2-413d-84fa-
>, starlyte wrote:

> there are vents around the sides and also underneath. It also has
> feet, So sitting on its feet allows the bottom vent actually vent. Its
> often smothered by the couch

There may be some GUI tool for checking the CPU temperature, but you should
be able to find it by looking in the /proc/acpi/thermal_zone directory and
reading one of the files there.

Somewhere on teh intarwebs Gordon wrote:
> On 2010-01-10, Stephen Worthington
> <_numbers> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>>
>> You rather seem to have missed misfit's point. Barring dust or
>> clogged or damaged venting, a properly designed laptop should be able
>> to run its CPU cores at 100% forever without the temperature
>> exceeding the limit.
>
> Care to site a Maufacturer's warrantee or other reference. No, I am
> not
> being whatever.
>
> How many engines are run at max power 100% of the time they are
> running?

Bad analogy. 2/10.

> The point is did it fail under normal/reasonable use.

So using a programme that maxes out both cores for half an hour to transcode
video (for instance) isn't 'reasonable use'? If it couldn't do that without
thermal throttling or shutting down I'd sure as hell be taking it back.

The OP is saying that it's shutting down with just one core maxed out.
Unacceptable. Then again, he did say that he's using it in a way that is
just asking for trouble.

<shrug> I guess some people can afford to buy something, be reckless with it
and then replace it. If t'were me having thermal shutdown issues using it on
the arm of the chair I'd put a large [laptop-sized] 'coffee table' book or
perhaps a piece of MDF under it. Then again, I'm the careful sort who
doesn't have money to replace abused hardware when it fails.
--
Shaun.

"Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's
warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchet, 'Jingo'.