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On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:20:11 +1300, Allistar wrote:

> Sweetpea wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:32:42 +1300, Allistar wrote:
>>
>>> Enkidu wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sweetpea wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:31:35 +1300, Enkidu wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Amarok is the least worst, but its idiosyncratic interface drives
>>>>>> me mad. Also it requires the KDE libraries which is another load of
>>>>>> baggage that I didn't need.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well it *IS* a KDE application developed by the KDE project!
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you tried using Kaffeine as a media player?
>>>>>
>>>> No. I loathe and despise the KDE stuff as a rule, unless there is no
>>>> alternative. I don't like the way that KDE appls do things.
>>>
>>> What do you use as a Window manager/desktop environment? I have been a
>>> KDE user for many years but am considering ditching it because of the
>>> KDE4.4 fiasco. Any recommendations on an alternative (but not Gnome,
>>> I've never like that).
>>
>> but surely KDE 4.4 has not yet been release. What fiasco are you
>> speaking about?
>
> Sorry, I meant 4.3.4.
>
> I use multiple KDE (3.5.10) sessions to run an accelerated triple head
> setup. I.e. I have two KDE desktops running. That isn't possible with
> KDE4.

Have you reported the inability to have multiple sessions running as a fault?


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In message <>, Allistar wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> In message <w66dnevdd->, Allistar
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <>, Allistar
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The ability to run multiple independant KDE sessions on one X server
>>>>> at the same time. Can be done with KDE3.5, but not 4.3
>>>>
>>>> Something like this <http://en.gentoo-
>>>> wiki.com/wiki/X.Org/Dual_Monitors#Independent_Dual_Head_in_KDE_4.2>?
>>>
>>> No. That's not running two independant KDE4 sessions. That's running one
>>> KDE4 session and one XFCE (or whatever) session.
>>
>> Or how about one KDE4 session and one KDE3 session?
>
> KDE3 is not being actively developed anymore.

But you were the one insisting on using it.

On 2010-01-05, Enkidu <> wrote:
>
> Audio and video on Linux is *NOT* in any way simple. I've never found an
> audio/video player that flawlessly plays everything.

And on the Ms Windows platform we have? Is your answer OSS?

Audio and video are moving targets. In short one needs to finds what works.
No matter the platform.

On 2010-01-05, Enkidu <> wrote:
>>
> Lawrence claimed that Linux audio/video stuff was simple enough to give
> to novices. In view of the fact that I often have to try a couple of
> appls to run audio/video stuff even of the same sort, I disagreed.
>
> Novices do not appreciate the depth of choice. They want one appl to do
> it all, and Linux appls are not able to do that.

A bit of bias showing here me thinks. vlc works on both Windows and Linux
platforms. Like many programmes it "jumped" onto the Windows platform as a)
it was good and b)the code was freely avaliable.

On 2010-01-05, Cima <> wrote:

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>
> Sure, like those 22 programs were "bundled" with the OS.
>
Technically, maybe not, but they are nothing more than a few mouse clicks
away. Remember Linux is all over the place, just like the views of the human
race. So there are many options to consider as to what you want/require.

Who wants to live in a Communist/Fasict country after all?

On 2010-01-05, Sweetpea <> wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:02:43 +1300, Cima wrote:
>
>>>Isn't it good to have such a choice of good and varied applications
>>>available for you to use. And they are included with the OS, And you are
>>>free to uninstall any or all of them and install something else if that
>>>takes your fancy!
>>
>> Yes. It gives me a real viagra-type boner.
>
> Really???
>
> Have you thought of doing something to remedy that fetish?
>
Is he hurting anyone?

Gordon wrote:
> On 2010-01-05, Enkidu <> wrote:
>> Audio and video on Linux is *NOT* in any way simple. I've never found an
>> audio/video player that flawlessly plays everything.
>
> And on the Ms Windows platform we have? Is your answer OSS?
>
> Audio and video are moving targets. In short one needs to finds what works.
> No matter the platform.
>
The argument was that audio/video on Linux was easy, simple and needed
no maintenance, the sort of thing that you would give to people who were
not comfortable with computers. I'm not making any claims for/against
the Windows systems.

Cheers,

Cliff

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Gordon wrote:
> On 2010-01-05, Enkidu <> wrote:
>> Lawrence claimed that Linux audio/video stuff was simple enough to
>> give to novices. In view of the fact that I often have to try a
>> couple of appls to run audio/video stuff even of the same sort, I
>> disagreed.
>>
>> Novices do not appreciate the depth of choice. They want one appl
>> to do it all, and Linux appls are not able to do that.
>
> A bit of bias showing here me thinks. vlc works on both Windows and
> Linux platforms. Like many programmes it "jumped" onto the Windows
> platform as a) it was good and b)the code was freely avaliable.
>
What's that got to do with anything? I haven't said anything about Windows.

Cheers,

Cliff

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The Internet is interesting in that although the nicknames may change,
the same old personalities show through.

On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:01:05 +0000, Gordon wrote:

>>> Yes. It gives me a real viagra-type boner.
>>
>> Really???
>>
>> Have you thought of doing something to remedy that fetish?
>
> Is he hurting anyone?

Depending on what he does with his "viagra-type boner".


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In message <VdSdnR0tR->, Allistar wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> In message <>, Allistar
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <w66dnevdd->, Allistar
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In message <>, Allistar
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The ability to run multiple independant KDE sessions on one X server
>>>>>>> at the same time. Can be done with KDE3.5, but not 4.3
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Something like this <http://en.gentoo-
>>>>>> wiki.com/wiki/X.Org/Dual_Monitors#Independent_Dual_Head_in_KDE_4.2>?
>>>>>
>>>>> No. That's not running two independant KDE4 sessions. That's running
>>>>> one KDE4 session and one XFCE (or whatever) session.
>>>>
>>>> Or how about one KDE4 session and one KDE3 session?
>>>
>>> KDE3 is not being actively developed anymore.
>>
>> But you were the one insisting on using it.
>
> Only because KDE4 lacks features that KDE3 has. I want to upgrade to KDE4,
> but until I work around this issue I cannot.

So why not run both at once?