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On 27/12/2009 6:35 p.m., Mary Hanna wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:21:20 +1300, "PeeCee"<> wrote:
>> I've used it for a couple of my customers to run older software that is
>> critical to their business's and it works a treat.
>> On a i5/i7 or Phenom CPU, Virtual XP mode and Win7 64bit gives you the best
>> of both worlds.
>>
>> Best
>> Paul.

> You have not Even read his Post, its for Older systems not a $2000 upgrade you
> are on about..

No it isn't. It's for 2 new computers. (3 months old)

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On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:23:20 +1300, Richard wrote:

> If your hardware is supported, then no, staying with 32 bit is just
> crazy.

Agreed!


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Somewhere on teh intarwebs Max Burke wrote:
> On 27/12/2009 7:40 a.m., peterwn wrote:
>> On Dec 26, 6:46 pm, Max Burke<mlvbu...@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> BTW I'm using The windows Family Pack purchased from a local
>>> retailer which gives me three licences for $100.00 each, retail
>>> price for one licence being $223.00, despite a Microsoft
>>> representative telling me that the family pack wasn't going to be
>>> sold in New Zealand.
>> Typical kick Kiwis in the guts by multinationaql corporations. This
>> has been happening for decades - last to see new movies, etc, etc.
>> Kipling had it right - 'last, lonliest, loveliest'.
>>
>> Presumably M$ thinks that Kiwis are less likely to 'pirate' Windows 7
>> so sees no need to offer a cheap rate to Kiwis to encourage them to
>> buy legit copies. Eat your heart out 'Impossible'.
>
>
> As usual the reality is different to the 'reality' that 'my OS is
> better that your OS' advocates like to believe in.
>
> Microsoft originally said Family Pack would only be available in North
> America. However, earlier this week the company extended its release
> to eight countries in Europe -- U.K., Ireland, Germany, France,
> Switzerland, Austria, the Netherlands and Sweden -- because of its
> decision to release Windows 7 with Internet Explorer 8 installed in
> those countries.
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/17095...ly_online.html
>
> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windo...e-119988.shtml

I wonder if they require DNA samples to ensure that all three copies are
going to the same family?
--
Shaun.

"Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's
warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchet, 'Jingo'.

~misfit~ wrote:

> I wonder if they require DNA samples to ensure that all three copies are
> going to the same family?

Great idea Shaun - there's no common genetic material at all in our
household

"Mary Hanna" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:21:20 +1300, "PeeCee" <> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Max Burke" <> wrote in message
>>news:hh47vg$4ji$...
>>> I'm getting my computers ready to upgrade to Windows 7 Home Premium.
>>> (from
>>> XP pro 32bit)
>>>
>>> I've RUN THE Windows 7 adviser, and fixed/updated the 2 drivers needed
>>> for
>>> Windows 7.
>>> The only incompatible programme is Outlook express which I stopped using
>>> over a year ago.
>>>
>>> The final decision I need to make is do I install the 32 bit or 64 bit
>>> version?
>>> Windows 7 says I can install either version that are included on the
>>> install DVD.
>>>
>>> Anyone got any advice on that?
>>>
>>> BTW I'm using The windows Family Pack purchased from a local retailer
>>> which gives me three licences for $100.00 each, retail price for one
>>> licence being $223.00, despite a Microsoft representative telling me
>>> that
>>> the family pack wasn't going to be sold in New Zealand.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Found Images
>>> http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/~mlvburke
>>
>>Max
>>
>>As others have indicated an 'upgrade' path is only available from Vista
>>not
>>XP.
>>So you'll be doing a 'clean' Win7 install, make sure your backups are
>>good.
>>I notice you also mention "computers" (plural), how old are they?
>>
>>I've done several XP to Win7 changeovers since Win7 came out and offer the
>>following thoughts to ponder on.
>>
>>1 Look hard at your hardware.
>>A dual core CPU and 2+GB of RAM is the minimum realistic spec you need.
>>If your old PC was not quick under XP, it's going to struggle under Win7.
>
>
>
> Works Great on a P4 3.2g.
>
>>2 Download Win7 compatible drivers for your hardware and copy to CD/USB
>>stick "before" you start.
>>Older peripherals are the biggest victim of the change to Win7, same as
>>when
>>mainstream went from Win98 to XP.
>
>
>
> Not true the HP 6L has new Win7 drivers but a 4 year old Epson does not.
>
>>3 The 32/64 bit choice depends very much on how forward looking you are
>>and
>>whether you're recycling your hardware.
>>If you carrying your hardware forward it will make sense to stay with 32
>>bit
>>as you are more likely to get drivers in 32 bit.
>>The Motherboard RAM limit may also influence your choice, there is not
>>much
>>sense going 64bit if your motherboard maxes out at 4GB.
>>
>>However going to 64 bit brings relief from this 4GB RAM limit of 32 bit.
>>Be it for Security or Compability reasons one of the technologies that is
>>becoming more prevalent is Virual PC's.
>>With 32 bit Windows practical RAM limit of 3GB you can only realistically
>>run 1 or 2 Virtual PC's with 512MB of Virtual RAM and leave enough to run
>>native apps.
>>64 bit Windows on the other hand is only limited by motherboard maximums
>>and
>>can run as many as you can squeeze in.
>>
>>If you buy the Business or Ultimate versions of Windows 7 you can download
>>for free Microsoft's XP Mode Virtual PC.
>
>
> No good on Many CPU's
>
> Read this
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=946&page=2
>
>>I've used it for a couple of my customers to run older software that is
>>critical to their business's and it works a treat.
>>On a i5/i7 or Phenom CPU, Virtual XP mode and Win7 64bit gives you the
>>best
>>of both worlds.
>>
>>Best
>>Paul.
>
>
> You have not Even read his Post, its for Older systems not a $2000 upgrade
> you
> are on about..


Hello Woger.
Nice to see you're still about.
Looks like you might have tasted a bit much of the Rum laced Chrissy pud.
though.

If 'you' reread the OP you will see the main thrust of the post is:
"The final decision I need to make is do I install the 32 bit or 64 bit
version?
Windows 7 says I can install either version that are included on the install
DVD.
Anyone got any advice on that?"

To paraphrase, he is asking for advice on installing 32bit vs 64bit Windows
7 on his XP Computers.

So he has to consider.
* Will his hardware be better suited to 32 or 64 bit.
* How compatible are his peripherals with 64 bit, or even Windows 7 for that
mater.
* Does he have to consider legacy software and what resources would be
required to successfully run such software on a Windows 7 PC.
* What practical experience have others to offer.

I think that advice/experience was given.

To address your specific points:

"the HP 6L has new Win7 drivers but a 4 year old Epson does not"
May be true, but it doesn't invalidate the advice to 'get the Windows 7
drivers first'

"Works Great on a P4 3.2g"
Doesn't fit well with your next statement:
" No good on Many CPU's"
Either or, it still helps the OP to decide if his hardware would suit a
64bit OS

"You have not Even read his Post, its for Older systems..."
*******s, and the OP doesn't say his computers are "Old"
If the advice offered ends up at a $2000 new PC then that's they way the
sums add up.

Burp
Paul.

In article <hh76t9$60a$>,
says...
>
> On 27/12/2009 4:21 p.m., PeeCee wrote:
> >
> >
> > "Max Burke" <> wrote in message
> > news:hh47vg$4ji$...
> >> I'm getting my computers ready to upgrade to Windows 7 Home Premium.
> >> (from XP pro 32bit)
> >>
> >> I've RUN THE Windows 7 adviser, and fixed/updated the 2 drivers needed
> >> for Windows 7.
> >> The only incompatible programme is Outlook express which I stopped
> >> using over a year ago.
> >>
> >> The final decision I need to make is do I install the 32 bit or 64 bit
> >> version?
> >> Windows 7 says I can install either version that are included on the
> >> install DVD.
> >>
> >> Anyone got any advice on that?
> >>
> >> BTW I'm using The windows Family Pack purchased from a local retailer
> >> which gives me three licences for $100.00 each, retail price for one
> >> licence being $223.00, despite a Microsoft representative telling me
> >> that the family pack wasn't going to be sold in New Zealand.
>
> > Max
> > As others have indicated an 'upgrade' path is only available from Vista
> > not XP.
> > So you'll be doing a 'clean' Win7 install, make sure your backups are good.
> > I notice you also mention "computers" (plural), how old are they?
>
> My backups are good. I'm 'obsessive' about that.
>
> Both about 3 months old.
>
> Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional 32-Bit
> Number Of Processors 1
> Processor Description Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5300 @ 2.60GHz
> Total Memory 3328MB
> Total Hard Drive 838GB
> Display 1280 x 1024 pixels, true colour
>
> > I've done several XP to Win7 changeovers since Win7 came out and offer
> > the following thoughts to ponder on.
>
> > 1 Look hard at your hardware.
>
> The hardware is able to run Windows 7, I haven't got high end 'gaming'
> graphics hardware but then I dont need it as I dont run/play many games
> at all.
> The Windows 7 adviser says the computers should be able t run Aero
> without any problems.
>
> > A dual core CPU and 2+GB of RAM is the minimum realistic spec you need.
> > If your old PC was not quick under XP, it's going to struggle under Win7.
>
> See above.
>
> > 2 Download Win7 compatible drivers for your hardware and copy to CD/USB
> > stick "before" you start.
> > Older peripherals are the biggest victim of the change to Win7, same as
> > when mainstream went from Win98 to XP.
>
> The only hardware that WIndows adviser says I might have problems with
> is a Serial to USB cable and it's drivers that I use to control a radio.
> That's not a real issue...
>
> > 3 The 32/64 bit choice depends very much on how forward looking you are
> > and whether you're recycling your hardware.
>
> the only hardware being recycled is an Epson Stylus photo 890 printer.
> It's compatible but I will need to check for updated drivers, once
> Windows seven is installed.

I thought PeeCee's post was very good, and on the button. He covered
the driver issues for you too - perhaps you missed it - download and run
the Win 7 compatability test tool - Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor - and sort
all your drivers out *before* you install Win 7.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/com...ity/windows-7/


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Duncan.

In article <>,
says...
>
> I thought PeeCee's post was very good, and on the button. He covered
> the driver issues for you too - perhaps you missed it - download and run
> the Win 7 compatability test tool - Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor - and sort
> all your drivers out *before* you install Win 7.
>

LOL - Upgrade advisor - chugged away for a few minutes, then crashed.
Error reporting tool, crashed ....

Not a good omen. Possibly my security is too hard, even though I gave
manual permission for the bazillion processes it tried to start and
numerous connects out that it made ... I *really* hate it when they
start the .net c-runtime compiler or whatever it is thingy and my screen
goes black for some time.

I will be going dual boot, to be sure, if that's an option with Win7
(I assume it should be).

-P.

Biggles wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 23:34:22 +0000, Carnations wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 02:16:00 +1300, Dave Doe wrote:
>>
>>> Go with the standard upgrade. If you do 64bit, it will be a 'clean'
>>> install (you can't go 32 to 64 otherwise). I'd recommend you stay with
>>> 32b0it (migrage and keep everything). 64bit - well inerently it will be
>>> slower (most apps take way more space, address more space etc). End of
>>> the day, the generally run slower than their 32bit counterpars - and
>>> don't let the ads get in the way.
>> Wow!
>>
>> so I should take my native 64bit desktop PC (Linux) that I've been using
>> for at least the last 4 years and trash it in favour of a 32bit version
>> because 32bit versions of an OS run faster on 64bit hardware than 64bit
>> versions of the same OS.
>>
>> I fail to understand your logic.
>
> Most people think your an idiot but I will try to indulge you ..
>
>
> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t...it+slower.html
>
> That's some 3 years worth of posts from people having problems with the
> amd64 (linux) that you claim that's just worked for you for 4 years.
>
That is most likely a Gentoo problem, since we have been using AMD64
CPUs and mixes of SATA and PATA for years using other distros, and have
seen no problems remotely like those described. They hum along quite nicely.
>
> There are also tons of other posts from gentoo guru's that have found
> massive problems / no benefits and have gone back to the 32 bit arch.
> The crappy disk I/O problem in the 64 bit arch existed for nearly 2 years.
>
Gentoo.
>
> Search any other hundred's of linux forums over the last 4 years
> regarding slow performance during intensive I/O with 64bit its a FACT !
>
Nope, it appears to be a problem that some people have. Most people seem
to be fine with 64bit. (I also have a 64 version of XP, and that
performs just fine).
>
> Also try learning how to use google .. it will clearly show that dave is
> correct about the 64bit os performance / benchmarks versus 32 bit.
>
There are other advantages apart from speed (which incidentally I've
never found to be a problem).
>
> So stop playing with your little boner and get better informed Lennier.
>
> As for Max's question ... Id suggest making sure WHQL drivers exist for
> all his hardware and I'm also quite happy with the 64bit version of 7.
> Performance roxxxx with my quad core!
>
Cheers,

Cliff

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the same old personalities show through.

On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:08:34 +1300, Max Burke <>
wrote:

>On 27/12/2009 10:19 a.m., Squiggle wrote:
>> Dave Doe threw some characters down the intarwebs:
>>> In article <hh47vg$4ji$>,
>>> says...
>>>> I'm getting my computers ready to upgrade to Windows 7 Home Premium.
>>>> (from XP pro 32bit)
>>>>
>>>> I've RUN THE Windows 7 adviser, and fixed/updated the 2 drivers
>>>> needed for Windows 7.
>>>> The only incompatible programme is Outlook express which I stopped
>>>> using over a year ago.
>>>>
>>>> The final decision I need to make is do I install the 32 bit or 64
>>>> bit version?
>>>> Windows 7 says I can install either version that are included on the
>>>> install DVD.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone got any advice on that?
>>>
>>> Go with the standard upgrade. If you do 64bit, it will be a 'clean'
>>> install (you can't go 32 to 64 otherwise). I'd recommend you stay with
>>> 32b0it (migrage and keep everything). 64bit - well inerently it will
>>> be slower (most apps take way more space, address more space etc). End
>>> of the day, the generally run slower than their 32bit counterpars -
>>> and don't let the ads get in the way.
>>>
>> IIRC you can't upgrade from XP, only from Vista, so either way its a
>> fresh install.
>
>A fresh install is what I planned to do anyway, New OS, get rid of all
>the junk that builds up in XP...


Silly Boy what about all those App that don't work under Win7, go for a dual
boot..

On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:11:52 +1300, Max Burke <>
wrote:

>On 27/12/2009 2:16 a.m., Dave Doe wrote:
>> In article<hh47vg$4ji$>,
>> says...
>>>
>>> I'm getting my computers ready to upgrade to Windows 7 Home Premium.
>>> (from XP pro 32bit)
>>>
>>> I've RUN THE Windows 7 adviser, and fixed/updated the 2 drivers needed
>>> for Windows 7.
>>> The only incompatible programme is Outlook express which I stopped using
>>> over a year ago.
>>>
>>> The final decision I need to make is do I install the 32 bit or 64 bit
>>> version?
>>> Windows 7 says I can install either version that are included on the
>>> install DVD.
>>>
>>> Anyone got any advice on that?
>>
>> Go with the standard upgrade. If you do 64bit, it will be a 'clean'
>> install (you can't go 32 to 64 otherwise). I'd recommend you stay with
>> 32b0it (migrage and keep everything). 64bit - well inerently it will be
>> slower (most apps take way more space, address more space etc). End of
>> the day, the generally run slower than their 32bit counterpars - and
>> don't let the ads get in the way.
>>
>I'll be doing a fresh install (which is what you have to do going from
>XP to Windows 7)
>I'll probably stay with the 32 it version as well, considering the above
>comments.



No Dual boot.