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Only if you like to play with dynamite. The reason you see 0KB is
because they are symbolic links. Don't mess with Windows default settings unless you like to live dangerously and don't mind rebuilding your system on a regular basis! Documents and Settings is a System folder and there on a clean install. Why do people want to go messing with things they don't know anything about and then wonder why it breaks all the time? Ilya Zeldes wrote: > Thanks for detailed explanation of the root of my problem. Yes, I'm > aware (and feel!) that Win 7 is not my beloved XP. But it's OK. > Apparently, I must be a masochist, because, in spite of all troubles, I > like it  > I checked the Property of Docs and Settings folder and it shows no size, > while some other "inaccessible" folders show 0 KB. Does this mean that > they are empty? If so, should I delete them? I believe, the D&S folder > came from the file transfer from my old comp... > Your advice is appreciated. > > Ilya > > "R. C. White" <> wrote in message > news:... >> Hi, Ilya. >> >> Win7 (like Vista) does not actually have a "Documents & Settings" >> folder. Because some applications that were written for WinXP are >> hard-coded to look for the D&S folder, Win7 has a "Junction Point" by >> that name. The Junction Point looks like a folder in some contexts, >> but it actually has NO files; it simply points to the Win7 equivalent. >> >> For example, instead of C:\Documents and Settings\Ilya\My Documents, >> you should be able to find C:\Users\Ilya\Documents. (The "My" prefix >> was dropped from several of the folder names.) And, if you are logged >> on to the "Ilya" Administrator account, you should not need special >> permissions to see the files in that folder. You will need Ilya's >> password for some functions. >> >> Some of the other folders you mentioned may require special >> permissions, but you should follow the Users\<username> approach to >> find those. For details, search in Help and Support for "permissions". >> >> Of course, you really should realize that "this is not your father's >> XP". ;^} Win7 looks a lot like WinXP on the surface, and there are >> many similarities under the hood - but there are a LOT of differences, >> too. Some users shake off the WinXP mindset quickly and get >> comfortable with Win7. Others have problems because they keep >> expecting to use Win7 the way they did WinXP. >> >> Welcome to Win7. I think you'll like it - after a few days invested >> in learning your way around. But, it is NOT WinXP! >> >> RC >> -- >> R. C. White, CPA >> San Marcos, TX >> >> Microsoft Windows MVP >> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64 >> >> "Ilya Zeldes" <> wrote in message >> news:26921ACF-F661-46DC-B2CC-... >>> I'm Administrator for my new DELL machine with OEM Windows 7. I >>> transferred most of my documents and settings from the old XP Home >>> machine. Everything looks fine. However, I cannot access the >>> Documents and Settings, Config.msi, System Recovery, System Volume >>> Info and some other folders. I'm the only account on this machine. >>> Do I need special permissions? How to get them in Win 7? >>> >>> -- >>> Ilya Zeldes >> |
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Hi, Ilya.
> I checked the Property of Docs and Settings folder and it shows no size, Of course there is NO size. Please read my message again. In Win7 (and Vista) THERE IS NO D&S FOLDER! And that's what I said in my first sentence. There is only a "Junction Point". It's just a signpost, not a folder. All it does is point the way to folders in the C:\Users\Ilya folder tree. If a program was written for WinXP, it may be hard-coded to look for information in D&S. So when it runs in Win7, it will be stymied if it can't find D&S. So the Win7 developers put in the "imitation folder" named D&S to satisfy those older programs that don't know what to do if they can't find D&S. But, all D&S does is point the way to the actual folders in Win7. > I believe, the D&S folder came from the file transfer from my old comp... Not really. The D&S Junction Point (NOT folder) is a feature of Win7, even if WinXP never existed on your computer. The Win7 developers really should have put in a more meaningful "error message" than "Access Denied". We are not really denied access to that "folder"; it is not really even "not accessible". It doesn't exist! Why couldn't the message say what I said above: that D&S is not a folder, but a Junction Point? Ditto the C:\Users\Default User "folder" - and a few others. Like, in the C:\Users\Ilya folder, you probably have TWO "My Documents" folders; if you click one, it opens as usual, but if you click the other, you get the "Access Denied" error message. I'm an accountant, not a developer, and I can't explain all these "features". But I can try to stop users from beating their heads against a brick wall, trying to fix something that ain't broke - just unexplained. RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX Microsoft Windows MVP Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64 "Ilya Zeldes" <> wrote in message news:2A82C8E5-6A01-4177-A23D-... > Thanks for detailed explanation of the root of my problem. Yes, I'm aware > (and feel!) that Win 7 is not my beloved XP. But it's OK. Apparently, I > must be a masochist, because, in spite of all troubles, I like it > I checked the Property of Docs and Settings folder and it shows no size, > while some other "inaccessible" folders show 0 KB. Does this mean that > they are empty? If so, should I delete them? I believe, the D&S folder > came from the file transfer from my old comp... > Your advice is appreciated. > > Ilya > > "R. C. White" <> wrote in message > news:... >> Hi, Ilya. >> >> Win7 (like Vista) does not actually have a "Documents & Settings" folder. >> Because some applications that were written for WinXP are hard-coded to >> look for the D&S folder, Win7 has a "Junction Point" by that name. The >> Junction Point looks like a folder in some contexts, but it actually has >> NO files; it simply points to the Win7 equivalent. >> >> For example, instead of C:\Documents and Settings\Ilya\My Documents, you >> should be able to find C:\Users\Ilya\Documents. (The "My" prefix was >> dropped from several of the folder names.) And, if you are logged on to >> the "Ilya" Administrator account, you should not need special permissions >> to see the files in that folder. You will need Ilya's password for some >> functions. >> >> Some of the other folders you mentioned may require special permissions, >> but you should follow the Users\<username> approach to find those. For >> details, search in Help and Support for "permissions". >> >> Of course, you really should realize that "this is not your father's XP". >> ;^} Win7 looks a lot like WinXP on the surface, and there are many >> similarities under the hood - but there are a LOT of differences, too. >> Some users shake off the WinXP mindset quickly and get comfortable with >> Win7. Others have problems because they keep expecting to use Win7 the >> way they did WinXP. >> >> Welcome to Win7. I think you'll like it - after a few days invested in >> learning your way around. But, it is NOT WinXP! >> >> RC >> >> "Ilya Zeldes" <> wrote in message >> news:26921ACF-F661-46DC-B2CC-... >>> I'm Administrator for my new DELL machine with OEM Windows 7. I >>> transferred most of my documents and settings from the old XP Home >>> machine. Everything looks fine. However, I cannot access the Documents >>> and Settings, Config.msi, System Recovery, System Volume Info and some >>> other folders. I'm the only account on this machine. Do I need special >>> permissions? How to get them in Win 7? >>> >>> -- >>> Ilya Zeldes |
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Hello, R.C.,
of course, you were clear in your first message and even clearer in the second. I read both messages with much interest and appreciate your help. For the last 5 days, since I brought in this new comp and until your explanations, I did exactly as you expected - beat my head against a brick wall. Thanks again for saving my sanity. Ilya "R. C. White" <> wrote in message news:#... > Hi, Ilya. > >> I checked the Property of Docs and Settings folder and it shows no size, > > Of course there is NO size. Please read my message again. > > In Win7 (and Vista) THERE IS NO D&S FOLDER! > > And that's what I said in my first sentence. > > There is only a "Junction Point". It's just a signpost, not a folder. > All it does is point the way to folders in the C:\Users\Ilya folder tree. > > If a program was written for WinXP, it may be hard-coded to look for > information in D&S. So when it runs in Win7, it will be stymied if it > can't find D&S. So the Win7 developers put in the "imitation folder" > named D&S to satisfy those older programs that don't know what to do if > they can't find D&S. But, all D&S does is point the way to the actual > folders in Win7. > >> I believe, the D&S folder came from the file transfer from my old comp... > > Not really. The D&S Junction Point (NOT folder) is a feature of Win7, > even if WinXP never existed on your computer. > > The Win7 developers really should have put in a more meaningful "error > message" than "Access Denied". We are not really denied access to that > "folder"; it is not really even "not accessible". It doesn't exist! Why > couldn't the message say what I said above: that D&S is not a folder, but > a Junction Point? Ditto the C:\Users\Default User "folder" - and a few > others. Like, in the C:\Users\Ilya folder, you probably have TWO "My > Documents" folders; if you click one, it opens as usual, but if you click > the other, you get the "Access Denied" error message. > > I'm an accountant, not a developer, and I can't explain all these > "features". But I can try to stop users from beating their heads against > a brick wall, trying to fix something that ain't broke - just unexplained. > > RC > -- > R. C. White, CPA > San Marcos, TX > > Microsoft Windows MVP > Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64 > > "Ilya Zeldes" <> wrote in message > news:2A82C8E5-6A01-4177-A23D-... >> Thanks for detailed explanation of the root of my problem. Yes, I'm aware >> (and feel!) that Win 7 is not my beloved XP. But it's OK. Apparently, I >> must be a masochist, because, in spite of all troubles, I like it >> I checked the Property of Docs and Settings folder and it shows no size, >> while some other "inaccessible" folders show 0 KB. Does this mean that >> they are empty? If so, should I delete them? I believe, the D&S folder >> came from the file transfer from my old comp... >> Your advice is appreciated. >> >> Ilya >> >> "R. C. White" <> wrote in message >> news:... >>> Hi, Ilya. >>> >>> Win7 (like Vista) does not actually have a "Documents & Settings" >>> folder. Because some applications that were written for WinXP are >>> hard-coded to look for the D&S folder, Win7 has a "Junction Point" by >>> that name. The Junction Point looks like a folder in some contexts, but >>> it actually has NO files; it simply points to the Win7 equivalent. >>> >>> For example, instead of C:\Documents and Settings\Ilya\My Documents, you >>> should be able to find C:\Users\Ilya\Documents. (The "My" prefix was >>> dropped from several of the folder names.) And, if you are logged on to >>> the "Ilya" Administrator account, you should not need special >>> permissions to see the files in that folder. You will need Ilya's >>> password for some functions. >>> >>> Some of the other folders you mentioned may require special permissions, >>> but you should follow the Users\<username> approach to find those. For >>> details, search in Help and Support for "permissions". >>> >>> Of course, you really should realize that "this is not your father's >>> XP". ;^} Win7 looks a lot like WinXP on the surface, and there are many >>> similarities under the hood - but there are a LOT of differences, too. >>> Some users shake off the WinXP mindset quickly and get comfortable with >>> Win7. Others have problems because they keep expecting to use Win7 the >>> way they did WinXP. >>> >>> Welcome to Win7. I think you'll like it - after a few days invested in >>> learning your way around. But, it is NOT WinXP! >>> >>> RC >>> >>> "Ilya Zeldes" <> wrote in message >>> news:26921ACF-F661-46DC-B2CC-... >>>> I'm Administrator for my new DELL machine with OEM Windows 7. I >>>> transferred most of my documents and settings from the old XP Home >>>> machine. Everything looks fine. However, I cannot access the Documents >>>> and Settings, Config.msi, System Recovery, System Volume Info and some >>>> other folders. I'm the only account on this machine. Do I need special >>>> permissions? How to get them in Win 7? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ilya Zeldes > |
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Hi, Ilya. I'm glad to help. I should have made clear that I was NOT SHOUTING with the all caps in my last message. Just trying to emphasize some points that might otherwise have been buried in all my verbose text. ;^} RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX Microsoft Windows MVP Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64 "Ilya Zeldes" <> wrote in message news:F761CE37-20CB-4E34-9B3D-... > Hello, R.C., > > of course, you were clear in your first message and even clearer in the > second. I read both messages with much interest and appreciate your help. > For the last 5 days, since I brought in this new comp and until your > explanations, I did exactly as you expected - beat my head against a brick > wall. > > Thanks again for saving my sanity. > > Ilya > > "R. C. White" <> wrote in message > news:#... >> Hi, Ilya. >> >>> I checked the Property of Docs and Settings folder and it shows no size, >> >> Of course there is NO size. Please read my message again. >> >> In Win7 (and Vista) THERE IS NO D&S FOLDER! >> >> And that's what I said in my first sentence. >> >> There is only a "Junction Point". It's just a signpost, not a folder. >> All it does is point the way to folders in the C:\Users\Ilya folder tree. >> >> If a program was written for WinXP, it may be hard-coded to look for >> information in D&S. So when it runs in Win7, it will be stymied if it >> can't find D&S. So the Win7 developers put in the "imitation folder" >> named D&S to satisfy those older programs that don't know what to do if >> they can't find D&S. But, all D&S does is point the way to the actual >> folders in Win7. >> >>> I believe, the D&S folder came from the file transfer from my old >>> comp... >> >> Not really. The D&S Junction Point (NOT folder) is a feature of Win7, >> even if WinXP never existed on your computer. >> >> The Win7 developers really should have put in a more meaningful "error >> message" than "Access Denied". We are not really denied access to that >> "folder"; it is not really even "not accessible". It doesn't exist! Why >> couldn't the message say what I said above: that D&S is not a folder, >> but a Junction Point? Ditto the C:\Users\Default User "folder" - and a >> few others. Like, in the C:\Users\Ilya folder, you probably have TWO "My >> Documents" folders; if you click one, it opens as usual, but if you click >> the other, you get the "Access Denied" error message. >> >> I'm an accountant, not a developer, and I can't explain all these >> "features". But I can try to stop users from beating their heads against >> a brick wall, trying to fix something that ain't broke - just >> unexplained. >> >> RC >> >> "Ilya Zeldes" <> wrote in message >> news:2A82C8E5-6A01-4177-A23D-... >>> Thanks for detailed explanation of the root of my problem. Yes, I'm >>> aware (and feel!) that Win 7 is not my beloved XP. But it's OK. >>> Apparently, I must be a masochist, because, in spite of all troubles, I >>> like it >>> I checked the Property of Docs and Settings folder and it shows no size, >>> while some other "inaccessible" folders show 0 KB. Does this mean that >>> they are empty? If so, should I delete them? I believe, the D&S folder >>> came from the file transfer from my old comp... >>> Your advice is appreciated. >>> >>> Ilya >>> >>> "R. C. White" <> wrote in message >>> news:... >>>> Hi, Ilya. >>>> >>>> Win7 (like Vista) does not actually have a "Documents & Settings" >>>> folder. Because some applications that were written for WinXP are >>>> hard-coded to look for the D&S folder, Win7 has a "Junction Point" by >>>> that name. The Junction Point looks like a folder in some contexts, >>>> but it actually has NO files; it simply points to the Win7 equivalent. >>>> >>>> For example, instead of C:\Documents and Settings\Ilya\My Documents, >>>> you should be able to find C:\Users\Ilya\Documents. (The "My" prefix >>>> was dropped from several of the folder names.) And, if you are logged >>>> on to the "Ilya" Administrator account, you should not need special >>>> permissions to see the files in that folder. You will need Ilya's >>>> password for some functions. >>>> >>>> Some of the other folders you mentioned may require special >>>> permissions, but you should follow the Users\<username> approach to >>>> find those. For details, search in Help and Support for "permissions". >>>> >>>> Of course, you really should realize that "this is not your father's >>>> XP". ;^} Win7 looks a lot like WinXP on the surface, and there are >>>> many similarities under the hood - but there are a LOT of differences, >>>> too. Some users shake off the WinXP mindset quickly and get comfortable >>>> with Win7. Others have problems because they keep expecting to use Win7 >>>> the way they did WinXP. >>>> >>>> Welcome to Win7. I think you'll like it - after a few days invested in >>>> learning your way around. But, it is NOT WinXP! >>>> >>>> RC >>>> >>>> "Ilya Zeldes" <> wrote in message >>>> news:26921ACF-F661-46DC-B2CC-... >>>>> I'm Administrator for my new DELL machine with OEM Windows 7. I >>>>> transferred most of my documents and settings from the old XP Home >>>>> machine. Everything looks fine. However, I cannot access the Documents >>>>> and Settings, Config.msi, System Recovery, System Volume Info and some >>>>> other folders. I'm the only account on this machine. Do I need >>>>> special permissions? How to get them in Win 7? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ilya Zeldes |
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