«

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:43:43 -0600, Malcolm wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Carnations
> <> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:10:48 -0600, Malcolm wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Carnations
>> > <> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Microsoft yanks Windows code on GPL violation claim
>> >>
>> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11...n_imagemaster/
>> >>
>> >> ""Microsoft appears to have violated the Free-Software Foundation's
>> >> license in two ways: by modifying and then distributing the
>> >> ImageMaster code without making its source-code available, and by
>> >> actually bolting on its own, restricted licensing terms to the
>> >> code.""
>> >>
>> >> Microsoft can't very well complain about people "pirating" its
>> >> software when it blatantly steals people's GPL'd code and releases
>> >> it under a restrictive Microsoft license.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > They are going to release the source next week;
>> > http://www.h-online.com/open/news/it...-in-Windows-7-
>> tool-859774.html
>>
>> Hi Malcolm,
>>
>> Microsoft didn't really have a choice - it must release the source code
>> of all modifications it makes to GPL licenced software.
>>
>> Moreover, it must comply with the terms of the license if it wishes to
>> continue to complain about other people not complying with its own
>> hideously restrictive licenses.
>>
>>
> Hi
> Actually looking forward to getting it (and the source) and giving it a
> whirl for the openSUSE iso's as an alternative to UNetbootin

Cool!

I'm looking at pulling down the new OpenSuSE 10.2. It looks like it has KDE4.3 included and all reviews
that I have read have been very positive.

I think I'll do it as a brand new install onto all new hardware rather than as an update to my current
desktop box.

I hadn't bought a new PC for a couple of years - largely because I've found my newest one to be fast
enough for desktop stuff. )


--
"Filtering the Internet is like trying to boil the ocean"

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:49:38 +0000 (UTC)
Carnations <> wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:43:43 -0600, Malcolm wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Carnations
> > <> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:10:48 -0600, Malcolm wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Carnations
> >> > <> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Microsoft yanks Windows code on GPL violation claim
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11...n_imagemaster/
> >> >>
> >> >> ""Microsoft appears to have violated the Free-Software
> >> >> Foundation's license in two ways: by modifying and then
> >> >> distributing the ImageMaster code without making its
> >> >> source-code available, and by actually bolting on its own,
> >> >> restricted licensing terms to the code.""
> >> >>
> >> >> Microsoft can't very well complain about people "pirating" its
> >> >> software when it blatantly steals people's GPL'd code and
> >> >> releases it under a restrictive Microsoft license.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > They are going to release the source next week;
> >> > http://www.h-online.com/open/news/it...-in-Windows-7-
> >> tool-859774.html
> >>
> >> Hi Malcolm,
> >>
> >> Microsoft didn't really have a choice - it must release the source
> >> code of all modifications it makes to GPL licenced software.
> >>
> >> Moreover, it must comply with the terms of the license if it
> >> wishes to continue to complain about other people not complying
> >> with its own hideously restrictive licenses.
> >>
> >>
> > Hi
> > Actually looking forward to getting it (and the source) and giving
> > it a whirl for the openSUSE iso's as an alternative to UNetbootin
>
> Cool!
>
> I'm looking at pulling down the new OpenSuSE 10.2. It looks like it
> has KDE4.3 included and all reviews that I have read have been very
> positive.
>
> I think I'll do it as a brand new install onto all new hardware
> rather than as an update to my current desktop box.
>
> I hadn't bought a new PC for a couple of years - largely because I've
> found my newest one to be fast enough for desktop stuff. )
>
Hi
Yes, fresh install is the best, from 11.2 > should be fine for zypper
dup command. I have it running on my ASUS eeePC 1000 HE netbook (gnome
and KDE 4.3.1 partitions) and have virtual machines built as well.

There are some issues with a few programs users on the forum have found
for example Adobe Air doesn't like to install on 64bit, works
fine on 32bit for the Air/Flycast combination.

I managed to download the 11.2 GM a few days before the official
release (being an openSUSE forum Moderator and recently got nominated
to the Novell Knowledge Partner program has it's perks )

--
Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 11 (x86_64) Kernel 2.6.27.37-0.1-default
up 2 days 0:21, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.14, 0.20
GPU GeForce 8600 GTS Silent - CUDA Driver Version: 190.18

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:10:40 -0600, Malcolm wrote:

>> I'm looking at pulling down the new OpenSuSE 10.2. It looks like it has
>> KDE4.3 included and all reviews that I have read have been very
>> positive.
>>
>> I think I'll do it as a brand new install onto all new hardware rather
>> than as an update to my current desktop box.
>>
>> I hadn't bought a new PC for a couple of years - largely because I've
>> found my newest one to be fast enough for desktop stuff. )
>>
> Hi
> Yes, fresh install is the best, from 11.2 > should be fine for zypper
> dup command. I have it running on my ASUS eeePC 1000 HE netbook (gnome
> and KDE 4.3.1 partitions) and have virtual machines built as well.

My current desktop box has seen upgrades all the way from OpenSuSE 10.0.


> There are some issues with a few programs users on the forum have found
> for example Adobe Air doesn't like to install on 64bit, works fine on
> 32bit for the Air/Flycast combination.
>
> I managed to download the 11.2 GM a few days before the official release
> (being an openSUSE forum Moderator and recently got nominated to the
> Novell Knowledge Partner program has it's perks )

Nice for some. )


--
"Filtering the Internet is like trying to boil the ocean"

In message <>, Carnations wrote:

> ""Microsoft appears to have violated the Free-Software Foundation's
> license in two ways: by modifying and then distributing the ImageMaster
> code without making its source-code available, and by actually bolting on
> its own, restricted licensing terms to the code.""

After pulling the WUDT, it’s going to make it available again, along with
the relevant GPL’d source code
<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/13/microsoft_gpl_violation_imagemaster_apology/>.

Also mentioned: companies are increasingly building on open-source code to
gain an competitive advantage: “Not Invented Here� is rapidly going out of
style.

On 15 Nov, 00:41, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@geek-
central.gen.new_zealand> wrote:
> In message <pan.2009.11.11.10.36...@carnations.com>, Carnations wrote:
>
> > ""Microsoft appears to have violated the Free-Software Foundation's
> > license in two ways: by modifying and then distributing the ImageMaster
> > code without making its source-code available, and by actually bolting on
> > its own, restricted licensing terms to the code.""
>
> After pulling the WUDT, it’s going to make it available again, along with
> the relevant GPL’d source code
> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/13/microsoft_gpl_violation_image...>.
>
> Also mentioned: companies are increasingly building on open-source code to
> gain an competitive advantage: “Not Invented Here” is rapidly going out of
> style.

I reckon at least half the software you lot own is nicked anyway.

Put your hand up if you can say ALL of your software is above board.

LIARS!

k9nick wrote:
> On 15 Nov, 00:41, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> Also mentioned: companies are increasingly building on open-source code
>> to gain an competitive advantage: “Not Invented Here� is rapidly going
>> out of style.
>
> I reckon at least half the software you lot own is nicked anyway.
>
> Put your hand up if you can say ALL of your software is above board.

Of course, 100% from Ubuntu repositories (and partners, etc).
GPL software can't be "nicked" by just using it.

I've only seen "nicked" software on Microsoft systems.


Peter

On 2009-11-14, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <_zealand> wrote:
> In message <>, Carnations wrote:
>
>> ""Microsoft appears to have violated the Free-Software Foundation's
>> license in two ways: by modifying and then distributing the ImageMaster
>> code without making its source-code available, and by actually bolting on
>> its own, restricted licensing terms to the code.""
>
> After pulling the WUDT, it?s going to make it available again, along with
> the relevant GPL?d source code
><http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/13/microsoft_gpl_violation_imagemaster_apology/>.
>
> Also mentioned: companies are increasingly building on open-source code to
> gain an competitive advantage: ?Not Invented Here? is rapidly going out of
> style.

" ?Not Invented Here? " Why do the ? appear in my newsreader? Always thought
that they were web/Netscape produced.

Usenet is about ASCII, font and other bits. yes?

victor wrote:

>> I presume you're meaning "...was automatically copyrightED to start
>> with" - because "copyright" is a noun.
>>
>>
>
> But "copyrighteED" is the past tense of a verb.
> epic pedant fail

What is the present and future tense of it? I dont think it has any so
then saying is copyright and will be copyright are the only ways to
express it?

Gordon wrote:

> " ?Not Invented Here? " Why do the ? appear in my newsreader? Always thought
> that they were web/Netscape produced.
>
> Usenet is about ASCII, font and other bits. yes?

Lawrances post was in normal UTF-8 character set which has the correct
quote marks in it as he used, sounds like something you are using is not
honoring the character set request and dumbing it down to 7 bit.

Usenet has handled 8bit for a very very long time now, yet some people
insist on crap like quoted-printable or similar encodings still.

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:55:10 +1300, Richard wrote:

>>> I presume you're meaning "...was automatically copyrightED to start
>>> with" - because "copyright" is a noun.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> But "copyrighteED" is the past tense of a verb. epic pedant fail
>
> What is the present and future tense of it? I dont think it has any so
> then saying is copyright and will be copyright are the only ways to
> express it?

"Copyrighted" is an adjective. you can describe someone as having received a copyright, and that the
object of the copyright is therefore copyrighted or that it will be copyrighted.

you need to remember that a copyright is a thing - a noun - and not a verb - an action.

Jane doesn't "copyright" a book - she owns the copyright that was granted to her automatically.

The publishing shorthand to indicate who owns the copyright is to print "(c) [date] [copyright owner]".


--
"Filtering the Internet is like trying to boil the ocean"