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"Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
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> Other people consider durability to be more important. A swivel
> finder is a signifant weak point in any camera.
>
> --
> Ray Fischer

Agreed - it's a trade-off, although as you can park the swivel finder with
its screen against the camera body rather than being exposed, that's a
point in the swivel's favour.

Cheers,
David

David J Taylor

David J Taylor <david-> wrote:
>"Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message

>> Other people consider durability to be more important. A swivel
>> finder is a signifant weak point in any camera.
>
>Agreed - it's a trade-off,

And since the camera is intended for people who make heavy use of a
camera it would be considered by most to be a significant liability to
have such a weak point.

> although as you can park the swivel finder with
>its screen against the camera body rather than being exposed,

Then it becomes just what Canon is selling except that it would cost a
lot more and make the camera much bigger and less durable.

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On 07 Nov 2009 21:10:59 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:

>David J Taylor <david-> wrote:
>>"Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
>>> David J Taylor
>>>>"Charles" <> wrote in message
>
>>>>> Very positive!
>>>>
>>>>Live View and no swivel finder - what an omission considering the price.
>>>
>>> Your pet feature isn't considered useful by a lot of people.
>>
>>Not a feature I use often, but one which adds considerably to the value of
>>Live View. A disappointing omission, IMHO.
>
>Other people consider durability to be more important. A swivel
>finder is a signifant weak point in any camera.

So says the pretend-photographer role-playing troll that doesn't realize
how they are even used, most likely never used one himself, if he ever use
any camera at all. They are only swung out from the camera and reversed to
the viewer when needed. Otherwise they fold flat against the camera and
lock in place. Especially nice are the ones where the LCD faces the camera
body when folded flat for storage while you are using the EVF. Then not
even the more delicate LCD screen is prone to nose-oil, dust, fingerprints,
scratches, or impacts. Though, I must admit, the LCD screen on an older
Sony camera (reticulated body mounted with the LCD) which can't be folded
away from the user is remarkably durable. It's been in sandstorms, survived
a tumble down a tailings-pile from the top of a mountain mine when
documenting quartz mining (while I tried to protect is as well as I could
as I went along for the ride). Another time it went along a controlled-fall
descent while I slid down a terminal-moraine when photographing glacier
habitats. Part of the AR coating eventually wore off in small part of a
corner outside the useful viewing area over the years of use, that corner
being under the side of the thumb where it makes normal contact. But not
one scratch on the LCD screen itself after 7 years of heavy use in harsh
and rugged environments. I sometimes wonder if it wasn't covered with a
quartz window. It'd be about the only thing that could account for its
robust durability.

Outing Trolls is FUN!

Outing Trolls is FUN! <> wrote:
>On 07 Nov 2009 21:10:59 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>David J Taylor <david-> wrote:
>>>"Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
>>>> David J Taylor
>>>>>"Charles" <> wrote in message
>>
>>>>>> Very positive!
>>>>>
>>>>>Live View and no swivel finder - what an omission considering the price.
>>>>
>>>> Your pet feature isn't considered useful by a lot of people.
>>>
>>>Not a feature I use often, but one which adds considerably to the value of
>>>Live View. A disappointing omission, IMHO.
>>
>>Other people consider durability to be more important. A swivel
>>finder is a signifant weak point in any camera.
>
>So says

Go away, asshole troll.

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"Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
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> And since the camera is intended for people who make heavy use of a
> camera it would be considered by most to be a significant liability to
> have such a weak point.

People will make their own choice, I can't speak for "most" people.

>> although as you can park the swivel finder with
>>its screen against the camera body rather than being exposed,
>
> Then it becomes just what Canon is selling except that it would cost a
> lot more and make the camera much bigger and less durable.

Nikon can make a swivel finder without any great increase in size or cost,
and I'm sure that Canon could too. I expect we'll see a swivel finder in
a future version.

Cheers,
David

David J Taylor

David J Taylor <david-> wrote:
>"Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message

>> And since the camera is intended for people who make heavy use of a
>> camera it would be considered by most to be a significant liability to
>> have such a weak point.
>
>People will make their own choice, I can't speak for "most" people.

Then don't try. If you want a swivel screen then there are many P&S
cameras that have them.

>>> although as you can park the swivel finder with
>>>its screen against the camera body rather than being exposed,
>>
>> Then it becomes just what Canon is selling except that it would cost a
>> lot more and make the camera much bigger and less durable.
>
>Nikon can make a swivel finder without any great increase in size or cost,

How would you know?

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"Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
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> Then don't try. If you want a swivel screen then there are many P&S
> cameras that have them.

... and an increasing number of DSLRs, for example:

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sonydslra550/page2.asp
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond5000/page2.asp

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>>Nikon can make a swivel finder without any great increase in size or
>>cost,
>
> How would you know?

By comparing Nikon's range of recent DSLRs

Cheers,
David

David J Taylor

David J Taylor <david-> wrote:
>"Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
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>> Then don't try. If you want a swivel screen then there are many P&S
>> cameras that have them.
>
>.. and an increasing number of DSLRs, for example:
>
> http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sonydslra550/page2.asp
> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond5000/page2.asp

Both low-end SLRs intended for a different market than the 7D.

>>>Nikon can make a swivel finder without any great increase in size or
>>>cost,
>>
>> How would you know?
>
>By comparing Nikon's range of recent DSLRs

That doesn't even make sense.

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"Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
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> David J Taylor
> <david-> wrote:
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>>>>Nikon can make a swivel finder without any great increase in size or
>>>>cost,
>>>
>>> How would you know?
>>
>>By comparing Nikon's range of recent DSLRs
>
> That doesn't even make sense.

I recently upgraded from one Nikon model to another, one with fixed LCD
and the other with swivel LCD. Having the swivel LCD did not - as you
suggested - "make the camera much bigger", nor was the camera
significantly more expensive.

Cheers,
David

David J Taylor

David J Taylor <david-> wrote:
>"Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
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>> David J Taylor
>> <david-> wrote:
>[]
>>>>>Nikon can make a swivel finder without any great increase in size or
>>>>>cost,
>>>>
>>>> How would you know?
>>>
>>>By comparing Nikon's range of recent DSLRs
>>
>> That doesn't even make sense.
>
>I recently upgraded from one Nikon model to another, one with fixed LCD
>and the other with swivel LCD. Having the swivel LCD did not - as you
>suggested - "make the camera much bigger",

Which two cameras?

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