Re: Genuine question for atheists

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:03:50 -0600, Lookout wrote:

>>It's a fair question. Do you have faith that your partner isn't screwing
>>someone else?
>
> Faith has nothing to do with it. I KNOW she isn't.

So she's handcuffed to you 24/7/365?



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Aardvark

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:11:17 -0600, Lookout wrote:

> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:21:46 GMT, Aardvark <>
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:03:50 -0600, Lookout wrote:
>>
>>>>It's a fair question. Do you have faith that your partner isn't
>>>>screwing someone else?
>>>
>>> Faith has nothing to do with it. I KNOW she isn't.
>>
>>So she's handcuffed to you 24/7/365?
>
> It's called trust. Just because you couldn't trust your wife doesn't
> mean all wives aren't like that.

Seems to me that you're a creature of faith.



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Elmo McElroy: If I wanted cuisine, I'd have gone to Paris
Felix DeSouza: You can still go to France. It's full of pricks. They hate
Yanks too. Do you fancy a bite, or what?
Elmo Mc Elroy: Yeah, all right.

Aardvark

In news:eH_Im.27090$2 Aardvark
<> wrote:

> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:03:50 -0600, Lookout wrote:
>
>>>It's a fair question. Do you have faith that your partner isn't
>>>screwing someone else?
>>
>> Faith has nothing to do with it. I KNOW she isn't.
>
> So she's handcuffed to you 24/7/365?

Faith isn't just believing something in the absence of proof, it's
belief without the possibility of proof.

In many religions, asking for proof of a religous tenet is a sin, while
abandoning reason is a virtue.

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN

Bert Hyman

In news: AZ Nomad
<> wrote:

> On 06 Nov 2009 21:27:18 GMT, Bert Hyman <> wrote:
>>In news:eH_Im.27090$2 Aardvark
>><> wrote:
>
>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:03:50 -0600, Lookout wrote:
>>>
>>>>>It's a fair question. Do you have faith that your partner isn't
>>>>>screwing someone else?
>>>>
>>>> Faith has nothing to do with it. I KNOW she isn't.
>>>
>>> So she's handcuffed to you 24/7/365?
>
>>Faith isn't just believing something in the absence of proof, it's
>>belief without the possibility of proof.
>
> More often, it's even worse. It's believing in something despite
> proof that it is false.

The faithful simply dismiss the proof as irrelevant. Sometimes,
they'll frame it as a test of their faith.

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN

Bert Hyman

Bada bing Bert Hyman <> bada bang:
> In news: AZ Nomad
><> wrote:
>
>> On 06 Nov 2009 21:27:18 GMT, Bert Hyman <> wrote:
>>>In news:eH_Im.27090$2 Aardvark
>>><> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:03:50 -0600, Lookout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>It's a fair question. Do you have faith that your partner isn't
>>>>>>screwing someone else?
>>>>>
>>>>> Faith has nothing to do with it. I KNOW she isn't.
>>>>
>>>> So she's handcuffed to you 24/7/365?
>>
>>>Faith isn't just believing something in the absence of proof, it's
>>>belief without the possibility of proof.
>>
>> More often, it's even worse. It's believing in something despite
>> proof that it is false.
>
> The faithful simply dismiss the proof as irrelevant. Sometimes,
> they'll frame it as a test of their faith.
>

In matters of faith and religion, proof or disproof *is*
irrelevant. If disproof is available the phenomenon in question
is no longer a matter of faith, but of science.

Faith is the belief without the possibility of proof or disproof.
Disregarding disproof is not faith it is delusion. However,
belief in a god, gods or an after-life is not delusional as it
can't be disproven and is outside of the realm of science.

Mike "not that belief is without danger" Yetto
--
In theory, theory and practice are the same.
In practice they are not.

Mike Yetto

Bada bing Lookout <> bada bang:
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:32:30 -0500, Mike Yetto <>
> wrote:
>
>>Bada bing Bert Hyman <> bada bang:
>>> In news: AZ Nomad
>>><> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06 Nov 2009 21:27:18 GMT, Bert Hyman <> wrote:
>>>>>In news:eH_Im.27090$2 Aardvark
>>>>><> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:03:50 -0600, Lookout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It's a fair question. Do you have faith that your partner isn't
>>>>>>>>screwing someone else?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Faith has nothing to do with it. I KNOW she isn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So she's handcuffed to you 24/7/365?
>>>>
>>>>>Faith isn't just believing something in the absence of proof, it's
>>>>>belief without the possibility of proof.
>>>>
>>>> More often, it's even worse. It's believing in something despite
>>>> proof that it is false.
>>>
>>> The faithful simply dismiss the proof as irrelevant. Sometimes,
>>> they'll frame it as a test of their faith.
>>>
>>
>>In matters of faith and religion, proof or disproof *is*
>>irrelevant. If disproof is available the phenomenon in question
>>is no longer a matter of faith, but of science.
>>
>>Faith is the belief without the possibility of proof or disproof.
>>Disregarding disproof is not faith it is delusion. However,
>>belief in a god, gods or an after-life is not delusional as it
>>can't be disproven and is outside of the realm of science.
>>
>>Mike "not that belief is without danger" Yetto
>
> Agreed. It's religion that is the root of all evil.

Who are you agreeing with? I did not write that religion is the
root of all evil. I did not even imply that, you are making that
inference on your own. I wrote that belief is not harmless and
you threw in the false dichotomy of "not harmless" = "evil".

Mike "you may agree with me, but I don't agree with you" Yetto
--
In theory, theory and practice are the same.
In practice they are not.

Mike Yetto

Lookout wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:06:12 -0500, Mike Yetto <>
> wrote:
>
>> Bada bing Lookout <> bada bang:
>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:32:30 -0500, Mike Yetto <>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bada bing Bert Hyman <> bada bang:
>>>>> In news: AZ Nomad
>>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 06 Nov 2009 21:27:18 GMT, Bert Hyman <> wrote:
>>>>>>> In news:eH_Im.27090$2 Aardvark
>>>>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:03:50 -0600, Lookout wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's a fair question. Do you have faith that your partner isn't
>>>>>>>>>> screwing someone else?
>>>>>>>>> Faith has nothing to do with it. I KNOW she isn't.
>>>>>>>> So she's handcuffed to you 24/7/365?
>>>>>>> Faith isn't just believing something in the absence of proof, it's
>>>>>>> belief without the possibility of proof.
>>>>>> More often, it's even worse. It's believing in something despite
>>>>>> proof that it is false.
>>>>> The faithful simply dismiss the proof as irrelevant. Sometimes,
>>>>> they'll frame it as a test of their faith.
>>>>>
>>>> In matters of faith and religion, proof or disproof *is*
>>>> irrelevant. If disproof is available the phenomenon in question
>>>> is no longer a matter of faith, but of science.
>>>>
>>>> Faith is the belief without the possibility of proof or disproof.
>>>> Disregarding disproof is not faith it is delusion. However,
>>>> belief in a god, gods or an after-life is not delusional as it
>>>> can't be disproven and is outside of the realm of science.
>>>>
>>>> Mike "not that belief is without danger" Yetto
>>> Agreed. It's religion that is the root of all evil.
>> Who are you agreeing with? I did not write that religion is the
>> root of all evil. I did not even imply that, you are making that
>> inference on your own. I wrote that belief is not harmless and
>> you threw in the false dichotomy of "not harmless" = "evil".
>>
>> Mike "you may agree with me, but I don't agree with you" Yetto
>
> You're right. I assumed you came to the same conclusion.
> But..religion is the root of all evil.

It is the Love of Money that is the root of all evil, and churches are
not immune that that either.

RickMerrill

RickMerrill <> via
news:hd4mb7$82b$:

> Lookout wrote:
>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:06:12 -0500, Mike Yetto <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bada bing Lookout <> bada bang:
>>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:32:30 -0500, Mike Yetto
>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bada bing Bert Hyman <> bada bang:
>>>>>> In news: AZ
>>>>>> Nomad <> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 06 Nov 2009 21:27:18 GMT, Bert Hyman <> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In news:eH_Im.27090$2 Aardvark
>>>>>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:03:50 -0600, Lookout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's a fair question. Do you have faith that your partner
>>>>>>>>>>> isn't screwing someone else?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Faith has nothing to do with it. I KNOW she isn't.
>>>>>>>>> So she's handcuffed to you 24/7/365?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Faith isn't just believing something in the absence of proof,
>>>>>>>> it's belief without the possibility of proof.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More often, it's even worse. It's believing in something despite
>>>>>>> proof that it is false.
>>>>>> The faithful simply dismiss the proof as irrelevant. Sometimes,
>>>>>> they'll frame it as a test of their faith.
>>>>>>
>>>>> In matters of faith and religion, proof or disproof *is*
>>>>> irrelevant. If disproof is available the phenomenon in question
>>>>> is no longer a matter of faith, but of science.
>>>>>
>>>>> Faith is the belief without the possibility of proof or disproof.
>>>>> Disregarding disproof is not faith it is delusion. However,
>>>>> belief in a god, gods or an after-life is not delusional as it
>>>>> can't be disproven and is outside of the realm of science.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike "not that belief is without danger" Yetto
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. It's religion that is the root of all evil.
>>> Who are you agreeing with? I did not write that religion is the
>>> root of all evil. I did not even imply that, you are making that
>>> inference on your own. I wrote that belief is not harmless and
>>> you threw in the false dichotomy of "not harmless" = "evil".
>>>
>>> Mike "you may agree with me, but I don't agree with you" Yetto
>>
>> You're right. I assumed you came to the same conclusion.
>> But..religion is the root of all evil.
>
> It is the Love of Money that is the root of all evil,
> and churches are not immune that that either.

OK, ye beggars... it's woefully erroneous to extrapolate a phrase from Bible
books and attempt to apply it as if it were be a law or a precept...

The entire quote to which you refer is :

"For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted
after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with
many sorrows." -- 1 Timothy 6:10 (KJV)

Big, BIG, *BIG* qualifier in that sentence... where sentence = complete
thought.

It would be gravely insufficient to ignore 1 Timothy 6:7 which introduces the
entire context of that "paragraph" - if it were be structured in contemporary
prose :

"For we brought nothing into [this] world, [and it is] certain we can carry
nothing out."

That implies that there are more important thangs than teh money.

Money, with, in and of itself is not "evil"... Far from it. "Covet" is; and
"Idolatry" certainly is; as is stealing, lying and or cheating [to obtain
it], but then that's what St. Paul is talking about if you read on through
verses 6:18-19, etc.

It all boils down to "idolatry" in a way... As a human being you are
authorized by God to use anything and everything in this world for your and
His benefit within His laws... So it boils down to 'Are you using the
[money]; or is the [money] using you.' If it's using you, then it's your
"god", and that's idolatry! Substitute drugs, sex, rock-and-roll, gambling,
anything or any activity... 'Power over other people' substitutes itself for
'religion' too many times over the ages.

So, the value of "religion" is that it is a basis for forming healthty
perspectives and priorities. That some people have/do/shall abuse the
principles labeled as "religion" is certainly something to be aware and/or
beware of; but equally certainly, something that should not dissuade anyone
from the accurate knowledge and wisdom which is readily available thereby.

You might argue that "belief" is the root of all things bad... That should
cover it from everybody's pespective?

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Bada bing Lookout <> bada bang:
> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:46:28 -0500, RickMerrill
><> wrote:
>
>>Lookout wrote:
>>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:06:12 -0500, Mike Yetto <>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bada bing Lookout <> bada bang:
>>>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:32:30 -0500, Mike Yetto <>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bada bing Bert Hyman <> bada bang:
>>>>>>> In news: AZ Nomad
>>>>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 06 Nov 2009 21:27:18 GMT, Bert Hyman <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In news:eH_Im.27090$2 Aardvark
>>>>>>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:03:50 -0600, Lookout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a fair question. Do you have faith that your partner isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> screwing someone else?
>>>>>>>>>>> Faith has nothing to do with it. I KNOW she isn't.
>>>>>>>>>> So she's handcuffed to you 24/7/365?
>>>>>>>>> Faith isn't just believing something in the absence of proof, it's
>>>>>>>>> belief without the possibility of proof.
>>>>>>>> More often, it's even worse. It's believing in something despite
>>>>>>>> proof that it is false.
>>>>>>> The faithful simply dismiss the proof as irrelevant. Sometimes,
>>>>>>> they'll frame it as a test of their faith.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> In matters of faith and religion, proof or disproof *is*
>>>>>> irrelevant. If disproof is available the phenomenon in question
>>>>>> is no longer a matter of faith, but of science.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Faith is the belief without the possibility of proof or disproof.
>>>>>> Disregarding disproof is not faith it is delusion. However,
>>>>>> belief in a god, gods or an after-life is not delusional as it
>>>>>> can't be disproven and is outside of the realm of science.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike "not that belief is without danger" Yetto
>>>>> Agreed. It's religion that is the root of all evil.
>>>> Who are you agreeing with? I did not write that religion is the
>>>> root of all evil. I did not even imply that, you are making that
>>>> inference on your own. I wrote that belief is not harmless and
>>>> you threw in the false dichotomy of "not harmless" = "evil".
>>>>
>>>> Mike "you may agree with me, but I don't agree with you" Yetto
>>>
>>> You're right. I assumed you came to the same conclusion.
>>> But..religion is the root of all evil.
>>
>>It is the Love of Money that is the root of all evil, and churches are
>>not immune that that either.
>
> We disagree. Belief in a fairy tale has killed millions over the
> years.

While I do think that religious differences have caused quite a
few wars throughout history, that isn't the only cause.
Agriculture has caused many wars and much death as well.

Mike "you take my god and I'll take your farm" Yetto
--
In theory, theory and practice are the same.
In practice they are not.

Mike Yetto

On Nov 9, 12:56*am, Mike Yetto <myet...@nycap.invalid> wrote:
> Bada bing Lookout <mrLook...@yahoo.com> bada bang:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:46:28 -0500, RickMerrill
> ><Rick0.merr...@gmail.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >>Lookout wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:06:12 -0500, Mike Yetto <myet...@nycap.invalid>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> Bada bing Lookout <mrLook...@yahoo.com> bada bang:
> >>>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:32:30 -0500, Mike Yetto <myet...@nycap.invalid>
> >>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Bada bing Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> bada bang:
> >>>>>>> Innews: Nomad
> >>>>>>> <aznoma...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> On 06 Nov 2009 21:27:18 GMT, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Innews:eH_Im.27090$2Aardvark
> >>>>>>>>> <aardv...@youllnever.know> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:03:50 -0600, Lookout wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It's a fair question. Do you have faith that your partner isn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>> screwing someone else?
> >>>>>>>>>>> Faith has nothing to do with it. I KNOW she isn't.
> >>>>>>>>>> So she's handcuffed to you 24/7/365?
> >>>>>>>>> Faith isn't just believing something in the absence of proof, it's
> >>>>>>>>> belief without the possibility of proof.
> >>>>>>>> More often, it's even worse. *It's believing in something despite
> >>>>>>>> proof that it is false.
> >>>>>>> The faithful simply dismiss the proof as irrelevant. Sometimes,
> >>>>>>> they'll frame it as a test of their faith.
>
> >>>>>> In matters of faith and religion, proof or disproof *is*
> >>>>>> irrelevant. *If disproof is available the phenomenon in question
> >>>>>> is no longer a matter of faith, but of science.
>
> >>>>>> Faith is the belief without the possibility of proof or disproof.
> >>>>>> Disregarding disproof is not faith it is delusion. *However,
> >>>>>> belief in a god, gods or an after-life is not delusional as it
> >>>>>> can't be disproven and is outside of the realm of science.
>
> >>>>>> Mike "not that belief is without danger" Yetto
> >>>>> Agreed. It's religion that is the root of all evil.
> >>>> Who are you agreeing with? *I did not write that religion is the
> >>>> root of all evil. *I did not even imply that, you are making that
> >>>> inference on your own. *I wrote that belief is not harmless and
> >>>> you threw in the false dichotomy of "not harmless" = "evil".
>
> >>>> Mike "you may agree with me, but I don't agree with you" Yetto
>
> >>> You're right. I assumed you came to the same conclusion.
> >>> But..religion is the root of all evil.
>
> >>It is the Love of Money that is the root of all evil, and churches are
> >>not immune that that either.
>
> > We disagree. Belief in a fairy tale has killed millions over the
> > years.
>
> While I do think that religious differences have caused quite a
> few wars throughout history, that isn't the only cause.
> Agriculture has caused many wars and much death as well.
Perhaps.
But while the agriculture, land, and water were practical and material
issues at heart, why should we allow something imaginary to be added
to the list?
>
> Mike "you take my god and I'll take your farm" Yetto


> --
> In theory, theory and practice are the same.
> In practice they are not.

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