Dimdows OEM Licence Piracy

Note that you CANNOT buy an OEM copy of Windows for installation on a PC
yourself <http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=1514&page=2&tag=col1;post-1514>.
Such a copy MUST be preinstalled for the customer by a “System Builder�
using the OEM Preinstallation Kit “and then resold to a non-related third
party�.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> Note that you CANNOT buy an OEM copy of Windows for installation on a PC
> yourself <http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=1514&page=2&tag=col1;post-1514>.
> Such a copy MUST be preinstalled for the customer by a “System Builder�
> using the OEM Preinstallation Kit “and then resold to a non-related third
> party�.

That's strange, because despite your insistence that "you CANNOT", I've
done it several times, and despite that being previous versions to W7, I
see pricespy listing dozens of companies happily offering various
versions of W7 for sale with OEM license.
IIRC such claims - though usually stating that you MAY not - have been
made many times in the past in this forum.

Me

On Nov 6, 9:20*am, Me <u...@domain.invalid> wrote:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> > Note that you CANNOT buy an OEM copy of Windows for installation on a PC
> > yourself <http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=1514&page=2&tag=col1;post-1514>.
> > Such a copy MUST be preinstalled for the customer by a “System Builder”
> > using the OEM Preinstallation Kit “and then resold to a non-related third
> > party”.
>
> That's strange, because despite your insistence that "you CANNOT", I've
> done it several times, and despite that being previous versions to W7, I
> see pricespy listing dozens of companies happily offering various
> versions of W7 for sale with OEM license.
> IIRC such claims - though usually stating that you MAY not - have been
> made many times in the past in this forum.

There are two types of OEM as far as I can see. There is the one for
'small time' assemblers which you can buy with a hardware purchase
(seems to be interpreted very liberally) which requires product key
and activation.

The other type is for big time assemblers like HP and Dell. they seem
to exist of a kit consisting of a master copy and a heap of licence
stickers. There is some interaction with the BIOS which avoids the
need to authenticate. Presumably Windows is imaged on to the HD then
customised by scanning the licence sticker attached to the computer
via a USB scanner. This would seem to 'lock in' the OS to that
machine. A rescue CD (or partition on HD) enables the OS to be
restored as original.

These OEM copies would be cheaper than 'small time' OEM's and the OEM
then gets a substantial 'kick back' pretty well at Microsoft's sole
discretion making the effective price quite low (perhaps a few tens of
dollars). These ransactions are channeled through the likes of Ireland
so the likes of IRD, ATO, IRS, HMRC etc are bilked. These 'kick backs'
is how Microsoft maintain an iron grip over OEM's since the OEM has no
legal comeback if Microsoft with holds payment. An OEM must AFAIK
agree to buy a Windows licence for every computer it ships including
those loaded with Linux etc, and it seems to pay OEM's to over-buy
licences or buy them well in advance of need. Hence there were
apparently far more Vista licences sold initially than computers
actually shipped with Vista, which Microsoft gloatingly used to show
the success of Vista uptake.

peterwn

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:20:09 +1300, Me wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> Note that you CANNOT buy an OEM copy of Windows for installation on a
>> PC yourself
>> <http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=1514&page=2&tag=col1;post-1514>. Such a
>> copy MUST be preinstalled for the customer by a “System Builder� using
>> the OEM Preinstallation Kit “and then resold to a non-related third
>> party�.
>
> That's strange, because despite your insistence that "you CANNOT", I've
> done it several times, and despite that being previous versions to W7, I
> see pricespy listing dozens of companies happily offering various
> versions of W7 for sale with OEM license. IIRC such claims - though
> usually stating that you MAY not - have been made many times in the past
> in this forum.

Ascent used to offer OEM Windows as part of a hardware purchase. The
license for the version that came with my computer states that it must be
used with the machine with which it is purchased. It doesn't say anything
about the machine already being assembled. From the XP OEM EULA.

"..The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the

HARDWARE, if the HARDWARE is a single

computer system, or shall mean the computer system with

which the HARDWARE operates, if the

HARDWARE is a computer system component..."

Roger_Nickel

In message <hcvc43$4m4$>, Me wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> Note that you CANNOT buy an OEM copy of Windows for installation on a PC
>> yourself <http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=1514&page=2&tag=col1;post-1514>.
>> Such a copy MUST be preinstalled for the customer by a “System Builder�
>> using the OEM Preinstallation Kit “and then resold to a non-related third
>> party�.
>
> That's strange, because despite your insistence that "you CANNOT", I've
> done it several times ...

You don’t feel nervous about admitting to rampant copyright infringement in
a public forum?

> ... I see pricespy listing dozens of companies happily offering various
> versions of W7 for sale with OEM license.

I didn’t say they were the ones violating the EULA.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> In message <hcvc43$4m4$>, Me wrote:
>
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> Note that you CANNOT buy an OEM copy of Windows for installation on a PC
>>> yourself <http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=1514&page=2&tag=col1;post-1514>.
>>> Such a copy MUST be preinstalled for the customer by a “System Builder�
>>> using the OEM Preinstallation Kit “and then resold to a non-related third
>>> party�.
>> That's strange, because despite your insistence that "you CANNOT", I've
>> done it several times ...
>
> You don’t feel nervous about admitting to rampant copyright infringement in
> a public forum?
>
>> ... I see pricespy listing dozens of companies happily offering various
>> versions of W7 for sale with OEM license.
>
> I didn’t say they were the ones violating the EULA.

So who is ?

victor

In message <hd0g9q$81v$>, victor wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> In message <hcvc43$4m4$>, Me wrote:
>>
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> Note that you CANNOT buy an OEM copy of Windows for installation on a
>>>> PC yourself
>>>> <http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=1514&page=2&tag=col1;post-1514>. Such a
>>>> copy MUST be preinstalled for the customer by a “System Builder� using
>>>> the OEM Preinstallation Kit “and then resold to a non-related third
>>>> party�.
>>> That's strange, because despite your insistence that "you CANNOT", I've
>>> done it several times ...
>>
>> You don’t feel nervous about admitting to rampant copyright infringement
>> in a public forum?
>>
>>> ... I see pricespy listing dozens of companies happily offering various
>>> versions of W7 for sale with OEM license.
>>
>> I didn’t say they were the ones violating the EULA.
>
> So who is ?

Hint: what does the "EU" part stand for?

Lawrence D'Oliveiro

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> In message <hd0g9q$81v$>, victor wrote:
>
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> In message <hcvc43$4m4$>, Me wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Note that you CANNOT buy an OEM copy of Windows for installation on a
>>>>> PC yourself
>>>>> <http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=1514&page=2&tag=col1;post-1514>. Such a
>>>>> copy MUST be preinstalled for the customer by a “System Builder� using
>>>>> the OEM Preinstallation Kit “and then resold to a non-related third
>>>>> party�.
>>>> That's strange, because despite your insistence that "you CANNOT", I've
>>>> done it several times ...
>>> You don’t feel nervous about admitting to rampant copyright infringement
>>> in a public forum?
>>>
>>>> ... I see pricespy listing dozens of companies happily offering various
>>>> versions of W7 for sale with OEM license.
>>> I didn’t say they were the ones violating the EULA.
>> So who is ?
>
> Hint: what does the "EU" part stand for?

It doesn't have anything about the OPK in the EULA

victor

victor wrote:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> In message <hd0g9q$81v$>, victor wrote:
>>
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <hcvc43$4m4$>, Me wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Note that you CANNOT buy an OEM copy of Windows for installation on a
>>>>>> PC yourself
>>>>>> <http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=1514&page=2&tag=col1;post-1514>.
>>>>>> Such a
>>>>>> copy MUST be preinstalled for the customer by a “System Builder�
>>>>>> using
>>>>>> the OEM Preinstallation Kit “and then resold to a non-related third
>>>>>> party�.
>>>>> That's strange, because despite your insistence that "you CANNOT",
>>>>> I've
>>>>> done it several times ...
>>>> You don’t feel nervous about admitting to rampant copyright
>>>> infringement
>>>> in a public forum?
>>>>
>>>>> ... I see pricespy listing dozens of companies happily offering
>>>>> various
>>>>> versions of W7 for sale with OEM license.
>>>> I didn’t say they were the ones violating the EULA.
>>> So who is ?
>>
>> Hint: what does the "EU" part stand for?
>
> It doesn't have anything about the OPK in the EULA
>
Don't worry. Larry is obsessing about people not being able to meet
EULA terms on something that they can't easily buy anyway.

Me

In message <hd0knp$13e$>, victor wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> Note that you CANNOT buy an OEM copy of Windows for installation on a
>> PC yourself
>> <http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=1514&page=2&tag=col1;post-1514>. Such
>> a copy MUST be preinstalled for the customer by a “System Builder�
>> using the OEM Preinstallation Kit “and then resold to a non-related
>> third party�.
>
> It doesn't have anything about the OPK in the EULA

Don’t believe me? Read what Microsoft has to say about it
<http://oem.microsoft.com/script/contentPage.aspx?pageid=558124>.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro