Fall Back, U.S.A!

In article <hcs5i6$92m$>, (GregS) wrote:
>In article <4aef0d78$0$23472$>,
> wrote:
>>mianileng wrote:
>>> John Turco wrote:
>>>> Hello, my fellow Americans...did you remember to move all of
>>>> your
>>>> timepieces, back an hour? Daylight Saving Time ended, early on
>>>> Sunday
>>>> morning (November 1, 2009), in our country.
>>>>
>>>> I, personally, needed to reset my wristwatch, several clocks,
>>>> various
>>>> electronic devices, a number of digicams and my lone DSLR
>>>> (Pentax
>>>> K100D); initially, I forgot a few of the devices (including
>>>> some
>>>> cameras), and did them later.
>>>
>>> As someone living in a country where DST is not used, I have
>>> never been able to understand the logic behind the practice or
>>> how it's considered to be worth all the disruption and
>>> adjustments it makes necessary. By adjustments, I mean not just
>>> the twice-a-year resetting of clocks, but also adjusting life
>>> (personal, business, time-critical management, etc.) to the new
>>> timings. But I'm not blindly criticising something I don't
>>> understand. I'm open to enlightenment.
>>
>>The idea is that in summer (because Winter time is closer to true time)
>>more evening activities can take place in daylight. In other words, this
>>takes daylight hours in the very early morning (when most people are
>>still asleep) and puts them in the evening.
>>
>>Of course, if the offices of government and big companies, schools,
>>daycare centers, shops, all started the day at 7am and finished it at
>>4pm, this would have about the same effect.
>
>
>They started changing the time for switchover recently to save ENERGY.
>That has put more students in the dark. I liked the change overall.
>


I might add, light until 9:30 PM in the summer is wonderfull.
Its even brighter on the west coast USA.
Dark at 6:00 sucks.

greg

GregS

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:15:08 +0000, GregS wrote:

> In article <hcs5i6$92m$>,
> (GregS) wrote:
>>In article <4aef0d78$0$23472$>,
>>
>> wrote:
>>>mianileng wrote:
>>>> John Turco wrote:
>>>>> Hello, my fellow Americans...did you remember to move all of your
>>>>> timepieces, back an hour? Daylight Saving Time ended, early on
>>>>> Sunday
>>>>> morning (November 1, 2009), in our country.
>>>>>
>>>>> I, personally, needed to reset my wristwatch, several clocks,
>>>>> various
>>>>> electronic devices, a number of digicams and my lone DSLR (Pentax
>>>>> K100D); initially, I forgot a few of the devices (including some
>>>>> cameras), and did them later.
>>>>
>>>> As someone living in a country where DST is not used, I have never
>>>> been able to understand the logic behind the practice or how it's
>>>> considered to be worth all the disruption and adjustments it makes
>>>> necessary. By adjustments, I mean not just the twice-a-year resetting
>>>> of clocks, but also adjusting life (personal, business, time-critical
>>>> management, etc.) to the new timings. But I'm not blindly criticising
>>>> something I don't understand. I'm open to enlightenment.
>>>
>>>The idea is that in summer (because Winter time is closer to true time)
>>>more evening activities can take place in daylight. In other words,
>>>this takes daylight hours in the very early morning (when most people
>>>are still asleep) and puts them in the evening.
>>>
>>>Of course, if the offices of government and big companies, schools,
>>>daycare centers, shops, all started the day at 7am and finished it at
>>>4pm, this would have about the same effect.
>>
>>
>>They started changing the time for switchover recently to save ENERGY.
>>That has put more students in the dark. I liked the change overall.
>>
>>
>
> I might add, light until 9:30 PM in the summer is wonderfull. Its even
> brighter on the west coast USA. Dark at 6:00 sucks.
>
> greg

So in the winter we change back so it gets dark earlier - makes sense

ray

Yet another reason why I'm glad I live in Arizona. We don't change.


"John Turco" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Hello, my fellow Americans...did you remember to move all of your
> timepieces, back
> an hour? Daylight Saving Time ended, early on Sunday morning (November 1,
> 2009), in
> our country.
>
> I, personally, needed to reset my wristwatch, several clocks, various
> electronic
> devices, a number of digicams and my lone DSLR (Pentax K100D); initially,
> I forgot
> a few of the devices (including some cameras), and did them later.
>
> --
> Cordially,
> John Turco <>
>
> Paintings Pain and Pun <http://laughatthepain.blogspot.com>

Steve Dell

"rwalker" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:19:52 +0530, "mianileng" <>
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>I would have thought that the physical task of setting clocks is
>>a passing and relatively minor inconvenience. I expect that
>>someone unused to DST would experience a more extended period of
>>adjusting one's biological clock, rather like jet lag. You
>>suddenly have to get to work an hour early while the clock says
>>that it's still the same 9 AM.
>>
>
> That is my main problem with DST. My biological clock is set to
> standard time, and I'm an insomniac. All DST means to me is that I
> spend a good chunk of the year on (an even larger) sleep deficit since
> I have to get up an hour earlier than I would otherwise, and I never
> seem to adjust to it.

Amen!

Dudley Hanks

rwalker wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:15:10 GMT, "Dudley Hanks"
> <> wrote:
>
>> "rwalker" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:19:52 +0530, "mianileng" <>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I would have thought that the physical task of setting clocks is
>>>> a passing and relatively minor inconvenience. I expect that
>>>> someone unused to DST would experience a more extended period of
>>>> adjusting one's biological clock, rather like jet lag. You
>>>> suddenly have to get to work an hour early while the clock says
>>>> that it's still the same 9 AM.
>>>>
>>> That is my main problem with DST. My biological clock is set to
>>> standard time, and I'm an insomniac. All DST means to me is that I
>>> spend a good chunk of the year on (an even larger) sleep deficit since
>>> I have to get up an hour earlier than I would otherwise, and I never
>>> seem to adjust to it.
>> Amen!
>>
>
> Glad to know there are some fellow sufferers!

You can add me to your list. I ****ing hate DST!

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Bob Larter

Bob Larter wrote:
> rwalker wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:15:10 GMT, "Dudley Hanks"
>> <> wrote:
>>
>>> "rwalker" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:19:52 +0530, "mianileng"
>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I would have thought that the physical task of setting
>>>>> clocks is
>>>>> a passing and relatively minor inconvenience. I expect that
>>>>> someone unused to DST would experience a more extended
>>>>> period of
>>>>> adjusting one's biological clock, rather like jet lag. You
>>>>> suddenly have to get to work an hour early while the clock
>>>>> says
>>>>> that it's still the same 9 AM.
>>>>>
>>>> That is my main problem with DST. My biological clock is
>>>> set to
>>>> standard time, and I'm an insomniac. All DST means to me is
>>>> that I
>>>> spend a good chunk of the year on (an even larger) sleep
>>>> deficit
>>>> since I have to get up an hour earlier than I would
>>>> otherwise, and
>>>> I never seem to adjust to it.
>>>
>>> Amen!
>>>
>>
>> Glad to know there are some fellow sufferers!
>
> You can add me to your list. I ****ing hate DST!

Now that's an unequivocal statement This thread has been an
eye opener. The number of posters represents a tiny percentage of
those who have to live with DST, but still, I'm quite surprised
at the overwhelming majority of anti-DST posts. It's gratifying
in a way because it indicates that I have not simply been too
obtuse to see how the benefits of DST outweigh its disadvantages.

mianileng

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:41:56 +0530, "mianileng" <>
wrote:

>Bob Larter wrote:
>> rwalker wrote:
>>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:15:10 GMT, "Dudley Hanks"
>>> <> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "rwalker" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:19:52 +0530, "mianileng"
>>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would have thought that the physical task of setting
>>>>>> clocks is
>>>>>> a passing and relatively minor inconvenience. I expect that
>>>>>> someone unused to DST would experience a more extended
>>>>>> period of
>>>>>> adjusting one's biological clock, rather like jet lag. You
>>>>>> suddenly have to get to work an hour early while the clock
>>>>>> says
>>>>>> that it's still the same 9 AM.
>>>>>>
>>>>> That is my main problem with DST. My biological clock is
>>>>> set to
>>>>> standard time, and I'm an insomniac. All DST means to me is
>>>>> that I
>>>>> spend a good chunk of the year on (an even larger) sleep
>>>>> deficit
>>>>> since I have to get up an hour earlier than I would
>>>>> otherwise, and
>>>>> I never seem to adjust to it.
>>>>
>>>> Amen!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Glad to know there are some fellow sufferers!
>>
>> You can add me to your list. I ****ing hate DST!
>
>Now that's an unequivocal statement This thread has been an
>eye opener. The number of posters represents a tiny percentage of
>those who have to live with DST, but still, I'm quite surprised
>at the overwhelming majority of anti-DST posts. It's gratifying
>in a way because it indicates that I have not simply been too
>obtuse to see how the benefits of DST outweigh its disadvantages.
>
Just to present a view on the other side, I'm in favor of DST. The
clock-changing aspect is a inconsequential inconvenience compared to
the benefit of an additional hour of daylight recreation. Golf after
work, for example.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

tony cooper

tony cooper wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:41:56 +0530, "mianileng"
> <>
> wrote:
>
>> Bob Larter wrote:
>>>
>>> You can add me to your list. I ****ing hate DST!
>>
>> Now that's an unequivocal statement This thread has been
>> an
>> eye opener. The number of posters represents a tiny percentage
>> of
>> those who have to live with DST, but still, I'm quite
>> surprised
>> at the overwhelming majority of anti-DST posts. It's
>> gratifying
>> in a way because it indicates that I have not simply been too
>> obtuse to see how the benefits of DST outweigh its
>> disadvantages.
>>
> Just to present a view on the other side, I'm in favor of DST.
> The
> clock-changing aspect is a inconsequential inconvenience
> compared to
> the benefit of an additional hour of daylight recreation. Golf
> after
> work, for example.

I expected that there would be those in favor of DST, otherwise
it would have been abolished long ago. I respect your right to
have a viewpoint that differs from mine, and I indicated in an
earlier post that I consider the clock-setting aspect to be a
relatively minor part of the overall consequences of DST.

However, the rescheduling of working and leisure hours in actual
time (not clock time) can be done, and *is* done in many
countries, simply by notification. I guess it's something like an
acquired taste for certain foods. You get to like it after you've
become accustomed to it, while others never get used to it.

I do feel, however, that if an otherwise intelligent and
civilized person who's never had to keep time were to be suddenly
forced to choose between the two systems, he'd go for no DST.

mianileng

In article <>, ray <> wrote:
>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:57:08 +0530, mianileng wrote:
>
>> John Turco wrote:
>>> Hello, my fellow Americans...did you remember to move all of your
>>> timepieces, back an hour? Daylight Saving Time ended, early on Sunday
>>> morning (November 1, 2009), in our country.
>>>
>>> I, personally, needed to reset my wristwatch, several clocks, various
>>> electronic devices, a number of digicams and my lone DSLR (Pentax
>>> K100D); initially, I forgot a few of the devices (including some
>>> cameras), and did them later.
>>
>> As someone living in a country where DST is not used, I have never been
>> able to understand the logic behind the practice or how it's considered
>> to be worth all the disruption and adjustments it makes necessary. By
>> adjustments, I mean not just the twice-a-year resetting of clocks, but
>> also adjusting life (personal, business, time-critical management, etc.)
>> to the new timings. But I'm not blindly criticising something I don't
>> understand. I'm open to enlightenment.
>
>No logic to it at all. It's claimed it saves energy, but a study in
>Indiana (a 'split' state) showed that to be totally bogus. It's
>psychological - that's all. And a huge waste of resources, resetting all
>the damned clocks twice a year. It should certainly be abolished - would
>make life simpler all the way around.
Maybe it doesnt matter to the **** ass small northeastern US states, but it
matters alot to those who live in the large mountain western states like Utah,
Nevada, Colorado etc...

GMAN

In article <hcpcq5$tlr$1@qmul>, "whisky-dave" <whisky-> wrote:
>
>"ray" <> wrote in message
>news:...
>> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:51:04 -0500, tony cooper wrote:
>
>
>> Great - now multiply the time it took to do it by 300,000,000 people in
>> the US. And don't forget the microwave, the oven, the VCR, . . .
>
>But you don;t need to change the microwave, or cooker time do you ?
>Cokoing time doesn't change depending oin time of year.
>VCR yes if you still have such an antique device my DVD recorder changes
>itself


You want the clock on the microwave oven to be correct if you use any type of
automatic timed cooking.
>
>>> It's far less complicated than figuring out if the Customer Service
>>> phones will be answered by companies in other time zones when I'm making
>>> calls early in the morning or late afternoon.
>>
>> Particularly when you don't know if they're in Arizona, California or New
>> Mexico (for example) all of whom have different ideas of the time. As I
>> understand the Chinese get around the whole damned problem by having one
>> time zone for the entire country.
>
>And India splits it in to 30 min times zones.
>
>>
>
>

GMAN