C: The Complete Meta-Nonsense

gwowen <> writes:
> On Nov 3, 2:06Â*pm, gaze...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) wrote:
[...]
> Nice try Han. Now back under the bridge.

You're assuming that "Kenny McCormack" and "Han from China" are the
same person. That's possible, but I believe they're two distinct
people.

--
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Keith Thompson

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:28:08 -0800 (PST), John Bode
<> wrote:

>On Nov 2, 9:03*pm, spinoza1111 <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> Stop blaming, and scapegoating, Schildt for your own poor taste in
>> programming languages.
>>

Umm... isn't this Schildt's taste in programming languages? He wrote
several books about C, that indicates some level of interest.

>WHY DO YOU CARE? What difference does it make to you what we think of
>Schildt's books? Is he your BFF? Or are you Herb himself and
>unwilling to face criticism directly?
>
>Why are you going to such lengths to defend Herb's honor? What's in
>it for you? Why don't you just put up a YouTube video of you
>screaming "Leave Herb aloooooonnnnnneee!!!!!!!!!!" It'll be just as
>effective as your efforts here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=HK&h...&v=wVAd74Uns1k

Colonel Harlan Sanders

In article <97ddea3b-c456-43ef-b98e->,
John Bode <> wrote:
>On Nov 2, 9:03*pm, spinoza1111 <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> Stop blaming, and scapegoating, Schildt for your own poor taste in
>> programming languages.
>>
>
>WHY DO YOU CARE? What difference does it make to you what we think of

The question of "Why do you post to Usenet?" (and all its variations,
such as this "Why do you care?" [a question that I, too, have often
asked]) is a deep, multidimensional, and, ultimately, unanswerable
question.

So, there is no answer to your question, much as I'd like it to be
otherwise.

Kenny McCormack

In article <>,
Richard Harter <> wrote:
>On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:30:52 -0800, Keith Thompson
><kst-> wrote:
>
>>gwowen <> writes:
>>> On Nov 3, 2:06Â*pm, gaze...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>>[...]
>>> Nice try Han. Now back under the bridge.
>>
>>You're assuming that "Kenny McCormack" and "Han from China" are the
>>same person. That's possible, but I believe they're two distinct
>>people.

http://www.politicsforum.org/images/...s/flame_61.php

>Perhaps he is using Han as a generic term. It's a way of
>implying that in this context Kenny has no real self; he's just a
>bit of babble from the bottle of bitterness.

http://www.politicsforum.org/images/...s/flame_18.php

Kenny McCormack

On Nov 4, 4:30*am, gaze...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) wrote:
> In article <4af08973.71226...@text.giganews.com>,
>
> Richard Harter <c...@tiac.net> wrote:
> >On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:30:52 -0800, Keith Thompson
> ><ks...@mib.org> wrote:
>
> >>gwowen <gwo...@gmail.com> writes:
> >>> On Nov 3, 2:06*pm, gaze...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) wrote:
> >>[...]
> >>> Nice try Han. *Now back under the bridge.
>
> >>You're assuming that "Kenny McCormack" and "Han from China" are the
> >>same person. *That's possible, but I believe they're two distinct
> >>people.
>
> http://www.politicsforum.org/images/...s/flame_61.php
>
> >Perhaps he is using Han as a generic term. *It's a way of
> >implying that in this context Kenny has no real self; he's just a
> >bit of babble from the bottle of bitterness.

What is this need for people who don't follow the deviant herd
"bitter"? Does everybody here have problems with their father that to
such an extent, they fear being labeled "bitter" like their defeated
old man? Seems to me that Kenny is a funny guy with a sense of humor
and perspective, and that his enemies are humorless little twerps that
like to destroy people for shits and giggles, 'cause they're evil.
That's how it looks to me.
>
> http://www.politicsforum.org/images/...s/flame_18.php

spinoza1111

On Nov 4, 1:08*am, gaze...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) wrote:
> In article <97ddea3b-c456-43ef-b98e-5aaef8139...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups..com>,
> John Bode *<jfbode1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Nov 2, 9:03*pm,spinoza1111<spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >[snip]
>
> >> Stop blaming, and scapegoating, Schildt for your own poor taste in
> >> programming languages.
>
> >WHY DO YOU CARE? *What difference does it make to you what we think of
>
> The question of "Why do you post to Usenet?" (and all its variations,
> such as this "Why do you care?" [a question that I, too, have often
> asked]) is a deep, multidimensional, and, ultimately, unanswerable
> question.

Read the chapter on Lordship and Bondage from Hegel's Phenomenology of
Mind.
>
> So, there is no answer to your question, much as I'd like it to be
> otherwise.

spinoza1111

On Nov 4, 12:38*am, Colonel Harlan Sanders <Har...@kfc.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:28:08 -0800 (PST), John Bode
>
> <jfbode1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 2, 9:03*pm,spinoza1111<spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >[snip]
>
> >> Stop blaming, and scapegoating, Schildt for your own poor taste in
> >> programming languages.
>
> Umm... isn't this Schildt's taste in programming languages? He wrote
> several books about C, that indicates some level of interest.

A professional masters a tool without loving it.
>
> >WHY DO YOU CARE? *What difference does it make to you what we think of
> >Schildt's books? *Is he your BFF? *Or are you Herb himself and
> >unwilling to face criticism directly?

I'm Edward G. Nilges, not Herb Schildt. And it's called solidarity.
I've seen too many people publish books and work as editors, only to
get screwed.

SAMS, for example, took one of their Chicago based freelance editors
to court when she put up a Web site several years ago detailing how
they'd screwed her. She went to court unable to retain a lawyer
because she couldn't afford a lawyer and was jailed for contempt when
she neglected to a file a paper.

Kathy Sierra, a Java author whose books are popular, was targeted by
www.meankids.org and this enabled anonymous people to send her email
threatening her with rape.

I think the Internet has "empowered" vicious and stupid people to
multiply "evidence" that consists of pointers to misinterpreted facts,
and I think Schildt was a victim of this misuse of freedom of speech.

>
> >Why are you going to such lengths to defend Herb's honor? *What's in
> >it for you? *Why don't you just put up a YouTube video of you
> >screaming "Leave Herb aloooooonnnnnneee!!!!!!!!!!" *It'll be just as
> >effective as your efforts here.
>

Bullies can't stand it when their targets link up in solidarity
because bullies are cowards. Furthermore, both in school and in life,
bullies do the dirty work of elites by silencing dissidence.

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=HK&h...&v=wVAd74Uns1k

spinoza1111

On Nov 3, 4:27*pm, Seebs <usenet-nos...@seebs.net> wrote:
> On 2009-11-03, Richard Heathfield <r...@see.sig.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In <slrnhevnfs.2br.usenet-nos...@guild.seebs.net>, Seebs wrote:
> >> But you'll be glad to know, the sprintf thing was fixed, in fact, in
> >> C99. We now provide snprintf, which is safe.
> > The sprintf thing wasn't broken. If used correctly, it's fine. Like
> > any tool, it can be used incorrectly.
> > The snprintf thing is safe if used correctly, just like sprintf. And,
> > like any tool, snprintf can be used incorrectly (and unsafely).
>
> Right you are. *However, it's much EASIER to use snprintf safely, which
> is why it's there. *I mostly brought it up just because it precisely
> disproves at least three of his claims about standardization...

When are you going to fix printf? If it's redirected, doesn't it have
the same unbounded behavior as sprintf?

Because any program, which ordinarily writes to a "stdout", can be
redirected to a file or storage, and because this is a useful
technique, printf has the same problem as sprintf.

Because of the idiotic way in which C delimits strings, printf can
spew output in an unbounded fashion, whereas in C Sharp and in Java,
we always know string length.

Don't claim to have fixed anything whatsoever.
>
> -s
> --
> Copyright 2009, all wrongs reversed. *Peter Seebach / usenet-nos...@seebs.nethttp://www.seebs.net/log/<-- lawsuits, religion, and funny pictureshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) <-- get educated!

spinoza1111

On Nov 3, 3:39*pm, Seebs <usenet-nos...@seebs.net> wrote:
> On 2009-11-03, Gareth Owen <gwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Seebs <usenet-nos...@seebs.net> writes:
> >> but consider that if you just accept that he's clearly not reacting
> >> rationally at any particular level, it is actually really funny. *
> > No. *That's the point where its completely clear that its not funny.
> > American Idol auditions aside, is "tease the mentally ill" really
> > considered grown-up entertainment these days?
>
> I sure hope so, because people do it to me all the time! *
>
> ... More seriously, you're probably right, I should just ignore the guy.
> Exploring his madness is fascinating, but it doesn't seem likely to result
> in any possible educational value about 80% of the time, and the remainder
> doesn't seem much rewarding. *About the best defense I can offer is that
> he appears to be even less aware that fun is being had than he is of C.
>
> -s
> --
> Copyright 2009, all wrongs reversed. *Peter Seebach / usenet-nos...@seebs.nethttp://www.seebs.net/log/<-- lawsuits, religion, and funny pictureshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) <-- get educated!

spinoza1111

On Nov 3, 3:39*pm, Seebs <usenet-nos...@seebs.net> wrote:
> On 2009-11-03, Gareth Owen <gwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Seebs <usenet-nos...@seebs.net> writes:
> >> but consider that if you just accept that he's clearly not reacting
> >> rationally at any particular level, it is actually really funny. *
> > No. *That's the point where its completely clear that its not funny.
> > American Idol auditions aside, is "tease the mentally ill" really
> > considered grown-up entertainment these days?
>
> I sure hope so, because people do it to me all the time! *
>
> ... More seriously, you're probably right, I should just ignore the guy.
> Exploring his madness is fascinating, but it doesn't seem likely to result
> in any possible educational value about 80% of the time, and the remainder
> doesn't seem much rewarding. *About the best defense I can offer is that
> he appears to be even less aware that fun is being had than he is of C.

Grow up, Seebach. This is a serious business. You've libeled C and
lost this debate. Now, like a child, you want to pretend you were
having fun, but now you're libeling me.


>
> -s
> --
> Copyright 2009, all wrongs reversed. *Peter Seebach / usenet-nos...@seebs.nethttp://www.seebs.net/log/<-- lawsuits, religion, and funny pictureshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) <-- get educated!

spinoza1111