Microsoft's Decline Continues

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> > "AD." <> wrote in message
> > news:6c030005-3af0-4bfb-9358-...
> > On Nov 1, 1:00 am, "impossible" <impossi...@nospam.net> wrote:
> >>"AD." <> wrote in message
> >> > > > While you can understand that process for enterprise stuff like
> >> > > > ERP
> >> > > > or
> >> > > >> > specific strategic business apps, it does seem a little out of
> >> > > >> > place
> >> > > >> > for stuff as mundane as desktop office suites.
> >> > >
> >> > > >> When you refer to desktop office suites as being "mundane", it's
> >> > > >> a
> >> > > >> dead
> >> > > >> giveaway that you're a blinkered techie with no understanding
> >> > > >> whatsoever
> >> > > >> of
> >> > > >> how real work gets done in most of the business world. Little
> >> > > >> wonder
> >> > > >> that
> >> > > >> IT departments are so often relegated to implementing strategic
> >> > > >> business
> >> > > >> decisons made by others.
> >> > > > Yawn.
> >> > >
> >> > > Yawn.
> >> > >
> >> > > > What is the board level strategic business advantage in dictating
> >> > > > a
> >> > > > Office 2003 to 2007 upgrade?
> >> > >
> >> > > The board will delegate these decisions to people who share the
> >> > > board's
> >> > > strategic ambitions. I can assure you that anyone who considers
> >> > > office
> >> > > productivity a "mundane" matter will have no role in the
> >> > > decision-making
> >> > > process -- if they have a job at all.
> >>
> >> > > You didn't answer the question (again). We weren't talking about
> >> > > upper
> >> > > management approving a proposal or delegating a decision - it was
> >> > > about dictating an upgrade.
> >> >
> >> > That's **your** take -- from a salesman's perspective. What can I
> >> > say?
> >>
> >> Nothing. Obviously.
> >>
> >
> > Ohhhhh...poor salesman. Another door slamnmed in your face? Hard to take
> > ,
> > eh?
> >
> >
> >> > > What strategic advantage does upgrading from Office 2003 to 2007
> >> > > give
> >> > > a company? Can they enter new markets? Will it allow them to
> >> > > survive
> >> > > the economic downturn? Does it give them new capabilities to outdo
> >> > > their competitors? What does it allow the company to do that it
> >> > > couldn't before?
> >> >
> >> > All good questions. Which explains why the choice of desktop tools is
> >> > far
> >> > from a mundane issue that can be left to techs.
> >>
> >> So no actual answers there either eh?
> >>
> >
> > Can you not read, salesman?
> >
> >> > > Any incremental improvements an office suite upgrade gives are
> >> > > operational, not strategic.
> >> >
> >> > Is that your sales pitch?
> >>
> >> Still waiting....
> >>
> >
> > Well, is it?
> >
> >> > > Again: Do you know the difference between delegating and dictating?
> >> >
> >> > I know that from the perspective of a salesman like you, anyone who
> >> > says
> >> > no
> >> > to whatever it is you're peddling ios a "dictator".
> >>
> >> That's a pretty clumsy sidestep.
> >>
> >
> > Actually, that was pretty much dead on. Not getting in the door to see
> > the
> > decision-makers is the ultimate saleman's lament. You're angry that your
> > product doesn't amkle the cut -- I get that. But instead of taking at a
> > criticvall look at what you peddle, you instead blame the decison-making
> > process and the "dictatorial" deciders.
> >
> >> > > Once you actually have office productivity, updating the tools to
> >> > > give
> >> > > you a small incremental improvement is a mundane operational issue.
> >> > > There is no strategic advantage in the upgrade.
> >> >
> >> > > Unless of course, as part of the upgrade the product vendor is
> >> > > entering into a strategic partnership with you are you are getting
> >> > > something else out of it. But those kind of things are usually only
> >> > > done with early adopters, and Office 2007 is well outside that
> >> > > window
> >> > > now.
> >> >
> >> > You haven't got a clue what you're talking about. In my company, you
> >> > wouldn't even get to talk a tech.
> >>
> >> That's a relief. They probably wouldn't have any answers either.
> >>
> >
> > Yes, you're undoubtedly at your best when talking to yourself.
> >
> >> > > Uh oh, I've hit a nerve there.
> >> >
> >> > Yeah, right, salesman.
> >>
> >> heh
> >>
> >
> > Peddling products that no one wants -- How's that working for you?
> >
> >> It seems your only area of expertise or self worth was threatened, and
> >> you were so upset you couldn't actually form any coherent arguments
> >> and had to resort to exceptionally weak abuse based on wildly
> >> innaccurate assumptions.
> >>
> >> Don't worry, I won't hurt your precious any more.
> >>
> >
> > Don't leave on my account -- I'm enjoying this little exchange,
> > salesman.
> >

> Of course you would, endless twisting contradictions and silly name
> calling without any real argument seems to be right up your alley. And
> you've amply established that you don't have anything beyond that.
>

You're just another prat who thought he could stroll in and pontificate on a
subject he knows nothing about. You got your arse kicked -- now slink away.

> But unfortunately for your hobby, everyone else just gets too bored
> with that. You'll have to go pick another one of your pointless
> playground fights in another thread.

Think before you speak -- that's your best defense against another
arse-kicking.

impossible

On Nov 1, 1:45*pm, "impossible" <impossi...@nospam.net> wrote:
> You're just another prat who thought he could stroll in and pontificate on a
> subject he knows nothing about. You got your arse kicked -- now slink away.

OK now that you've like totally kicked my arse, what was the strategic
advantage a company gains by upgrading their office suite?

You were so busy kicking my arse with your cutting but oh so witty and
eloquent salesman gybes, that you forgot to actually mention it. Which
is a shame, because I (and my board of directors) really need to know
now.

Please enlighten us, O great but vengeful one...

--
Cheers
Anton

AD.

On Nov 1, 9:16*pm, "AD." <anton.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 1, 1:45*pm, "impossible" <impossi...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
> > You're just another prat who thought he could stroll in and pontificate on a
> > subject he knows nothing about. You got your arse kicked -- now slink away.
>
> OK now that you've like totally kicked my arse, what was the strategic
> advantage a company gains by upgrading their office suite?
>
> You were so busy kicking my arse with your cutting but oh so witty and
> eloquent salesman gybes, that you forgot to actually mention it. Which
> is a shame, because I (and my board of directors) really need to know
> now.
>
> Please enlighten us, O great but vengeful one...
>

Interestingly, it took 'Impossible' a while to comment on this thread
because he was no doubt waiting for his running instructions from
Redmond. The 'chair thrower' probably said 'we have no answer for this
- just do the usual bullshit and bluster'.

peterwn

In message <hcbtp8$tj8$>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> It isn't just Windows Client sales that have seen a sharp drop over the
> past year ...

Even more surprising to see that sales of Windows 7 preinstalled on PCs are
actually worse than those of Vista so far
<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/05/windows_7_v_windows_vista_sales/>.

Retail copies seem to be selling well compared to Vista, but then hardly
anybody buys those.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro

In message <hd03j2$mr1$>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> In message <hcbtp8$tj8$>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> It isn't just Windows Client sales that have seen a sharp drop over the
>> past year ...
>
> Even more surprising to see that sales of Windows 7 preinstalled on PCs
> are actually worse than those of Vista so far
> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/05/windows_7_v_windows_vista_sales/>.

Pent-up demand? What pent-up demand?
<http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/1561773/windows-boosting-pc-sales>

Lawrence D'Oliveiro

"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <_zealand> wrote in message
news:hdefg7$4uq$...
> In message <hd03j2$mr1$>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> In message <hcbtp8$tj8$>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> It isn't just Windows Client sales that have seen a sharp drop over the
>>> past year ...
>>
>> Even more surprising to see that sales of Windows 7 preinstalled on PCs
>> are actually worse than those of Vista so far
>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/05/windows_7_v_windows_vista_sales/>.
>
> Pent-up demand? What pent-up demand?
> <http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/1561773/windows-boosting-pc-sales>

Larry D'Loser lies again, and again, and again. Why so desperate?

"Windows 7 sales outshine Vista"
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10391484-75.html

"Windows 7 pre-orders grab Amazon's top sales spots"
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...op_sales_spots

impossible

In message <hdefg7$4uq$>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> In message <hd03j2$mr1$>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> In message <hcbtp8$tj8$>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> It isn't just Windows Client sales that have seen a sharp drop over the
>>> past year ...
>>
>> Even more surprising to see that sales of Windows 7 preinstalled on PCs
>> are actually worse than those of Vista so far
>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/05/windows_7_v_windows_vista_sales/>.
>
> Pent-up demand? What pent-up demand?
> <http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/1561773/windows-boosting-pc-sales>

Netbooks continue to be the only part of the PC hardware business still
seeing growth, and what growth: <http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=27383>.

This is what’s killing Microsoft’s margins.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro