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Well, I tested and failed. I found that the Press Book was no preparation
for the test I took. The book gives you a ton of multiple choice questions -
I had 25 simulations and 25 multiple choice. Where the heck are the
simulations on the testing software? Now I have to find a testing site to
purchase more testing software or e-learning so I can pass the test.

Yes, Microsoft always knows how to get to your wallet.

By the way, they suggest either MeasureUp or SelfTestSoftware.com - which is
the better site for testing software?
--
Motochick

"Jo" <> wrote in message
news:E8FEF067-FEF4-431E-ACF2-...

> Well, I tested and failed. I found that the Press Book was no preparation
> for the test I took. The book gives you a ton of multiple choice
> questions -
> I had 25 simulations and 25 multiple choice. Where the heck are the
> simulations on the testing software?

No testing software provides simulations.

With all respect that may be due.... the test did what it was designed to
do.

It separates the people who just study the book from those who actually
*know* the product.

> Now I have to find a testing site to
> purchase more testing software or e-learning so I can pass the test.

No.. I'd suggest you install and *USE* the product for three months, and
then you won't need help with the demos, you'll actually *know* how to
perform the procedures. Note: Installing a trial copy of Vista Ultimate for
120 days is exponentially cheaper than buying any eLearning. If you're
prepared to pay money then you should purchase, install, and use the
product. For starters, working through the exercises in the MSPress book
would be a good start -- rather than just reading them.


> By the way, they suggest either MeasureUp or SelfTestSoftware.com - which
> is
> the better site for testing software?

Testing software WILL NOT HELP. None of the testing sofware provides
simulations. The only way to practice for simulation testing is to install
and use the software -- which is exactly why the simulations are included in
the exam.


--
Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP:EA, MCDBA
Principal/CTO, Onsite Technology Solutions, Houston, Texas
Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2009)

My Blog: http://onsitechsolutions.spaces.live.com
Microsoft WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/pro...awrence.Garvin

With all due respect here, I did install the product and have an active
laptop that I have used for over a YEAR. Having a reading comprehension
problem, I am truly amazed as to what I did comprehend out of all of
this....I read, practiced and still failed...so do a lot of others who read,
practiced and "used the product".

If you state "testing software won't help" - what the heck is the Press Book
- but testing software?! And YES, it didn't help either in getting through
the test.

The problem with the test is that the simulation questions are so VAGUE that
a lot of people probably can't make heads or tails out of what they are
supposed to do. UAC - I knew where to go, but to answer the question, you
had to sit and pull the question apart...read it over and over before any
sense was made of it.

Yes, Microsoft, you need to be "specific" when you give a simulation
question, otherwise, more and more people will continue to fail even though
they read, practiced and USED THE PRODUCT.
--
Motochick


"Lawrence Garvin [MVP]" wrote:

> "Jo" <> wrote in message
> news:E8FEF067-FEF4-431E-ACF2-...
>
> > Well, I tested and failed. I found that the Press Book was no preparation
> > for the test I took. The book gives you a ton of multiple choice
> > questions -
> > I had 25 simulations and 25 multiple choice. Where the heck are the
> > simulations on the testing software?
>
> No testing software provides simulations.
>
> With all respect that may be due.... the test did what it was designed to
> do.
>
> It separates the people who just study the book from those who actually
> *know* the product.
>
> > Now I have to find a testing site to
> > purchase more testing software or e-learning so I can pass the test.
>
> No.. I'd suggest you install and *USE* the product for three months, and
> then you won't need help with the demos, you'll actually *know* how to
> perform the procedures. Note: Installing a trial copy of Vista Ultimate for
> 120 days is exponentially cheaper than buying any eLearning. If you're
> prepared to pay money then you should purchase, install, and use the
> product. For starters, working through the exercises in the MSPress book
> would be a good start -- rather than just reading them.
>
>
> > By the way, they suggest either MeasureUp or SelfTestSoftware.com - which
> > is
> > the better site for testing software?
>
> Testing software WILL NOT HELP. None of the testing sofware provides
> simulations. The only way to practice for simulation testing is to install
> and use the software -- which is exactly why the simulations are included in
> the exam.
>
>
> --
> Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP:EA, MCDBA
> Principal/CTO, Onsite Technology Solutions, Houston, Texas
> Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2009)
>
> My Blog: http://onsitechsolutions.spaces.live.com
> Microsoft WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
> My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/pro...awrence.Garvin
>

Just a note - some one suggested this link below:
http://www.accelerated-ideas.com/pra...am-70-620.aspx

I took the practice test and got a 90% within 12 minutes. These weren't
memorized questions. So, YES, I can read...and think I have some knowledge
of what I read.
--
Motochick


"Jo" wrote:

> With all due respect here, I did install the product and have an active
> laptop that I have used for over a YEAR. Having a reading comprehension
> problem, I am truly amazed as to what I did comprehend out of all of
> this....I read, practiced and still failed...so do a lot of others who read,
> practiced and "used the product".
>
> If you state "testing software won't help" - what the heck is the Press Book
> - but testing software?! And YES, it didn't help either in getting through
> the test.
>
> The problem with the test is that the simulation questions are so VAGUE that
> a lot of people probably can't make heads or tails out of what they are
> supposed to do. UAC - I knew where to go, but to answer the question, you
> had to sit and pull the question apart...read it over and over before any
> sense was made of it.
>
> Yes, Microsoft, you need to be "specific" when you give a simulation
> question, otherwise, more and more people will continue to fail even though
> they read, practiced and USED THE PRODUCT.
> --
> Motochick
>
>
> "Lawrence Garvin [MVP]" wrote:
>
> > "Jo" <> wrote in message
> > news:E8FEF067-FEF4-431E-ACF2-...
> >
> > > Well, I tested and failed. I found that the Press Book was no preparation
> > > for the test I took. The book gives you a ton of multiple choice
> > > questions -
> > > I had 25 simulations and 25 multiple choice. Where the heck are the
> > > simulations on the testing software?
> >
> > No testing software provides simulations.
> >
> > With all respect that may be due.... the test did what it was designed to
> > do.
> >
> > It separates the people who just study the book from those who actually
> > *know* the product.
> >
> > > Now I have to find a testing site to
> > > purchase more testing software or e-learning so I can pass the test.
> >
> > No.. I'd suggest you install and *USE* the product for three months, and
> > then you won't need help with the demos, you'll actually *know* how to
> > perform the procedures. Note: Installing a trial copy of Vista Ultimate for
> > 120 days is exponentially cheaper than buying any eLearning. If you're
> > prepared to pay money then you should purchase, install, and use the
> > product. For starters, working through the exercises in the MSPress book
> > would be a good start -- rather than just reading them.
> >
> >
> > > By the way, they suggest either MeasureUp or SelfTestSoftware.com - which
> > > is
> > > the better site for testing software?
> >
> > Testing software WILL NOT HELP. None of the testing sofware provides
> > simulations. The only way to practice for simulation testing is to install
> > and use the software -- which is exactly why the simulations are included in
> > the exam.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP:EA, MCDBA
> > Principal/CTO, Onsite Technology Solutions, Houston, Texas
> > Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2009)
> >
> > My Blog: http://onsitechsolutions.spaces.live.com
> > Microsoft WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
> > My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/pro...awrence.Garvin
> >

I have to say in response to this, yes there are loads of simulations and
they are a complete surprise. I was not happy at all. I studied with the
press book also.

In their defense though, the practice tests should have helped you with the
simulations. The fact is when I study for my next exam I will do more of the
practice tests before the exam as there were quite a lot of simulations.

Having never seen a simulation though and studying with the press book I
passed with a score of 900/1000. It took me 6 weeks of study in total.



"Jo" <> wrote in message
news:E8FEF067-FEF4-431E-ACF2-...
> Well, I tested and failed. I found that the Press Book was no preparation
> for the test I took. The book gives you a ton of multiple choice
> questions -
> I had 25 simulations and 25 multiple choice. Where the heck are the
> simulations on the testing software? Now I have to find a testing site to
> purchase more testing software or e-learning so I can pass the test.
>
> Yes, Microsoft always knows how to get to your wallet.
>
> By the way, they suggest either MeasureUp or SelfTestSoftware.com - which
> is
> the better site for testing software?
> --
> Motochick

I was getting 90's on my practice tests on the Press Book - so I had some
understanding of what was going on. I won't give up though - back to the
Press Book, the Sybex book and now CBT Nuggets. I'm someone who is visual.
Draw me a picture and I can relate. Reading the Press Book was like eating
nails....then only to suffer a whack by failing the test.

I'm ready to go back into the ring....review, retake, rejoice!
--
Motochick


"Andrew B" wrote:

> I have to say in response to this, yes there are loads of simulations and
> they are a complete surprise. I was not happy at all. I studied with the
> press book also.
>
> In their defense though, the practice tests should have helped you with the
> simulations. The fact is when I study for my next exam I will do more of the
> practice tests before the exam as there were quite a lot of simulations.
>
> Having never seen a simulation though and studying with the press book I
> passed with a score of 900/1000. It took me 6 weeks of study in total.
>
>
>
> "Jo" <> wrote in message
> news:E8FEF067-FEF4-431E-ACF2-...
> > Well, I tested and failed. I found that the Press Book was no preparation
> > for the test I took. The book gives you a ton of multiple choice
> > questions -
> > I had 25 simulations and 25 multiple choice. Where the heck are the
> > simulations on the testing software? Now I have to find a testing site to
> > purchase more testing software or e-learning so I can pass the test.
> >
> > Yes, Microsoft always knows how to get to your wallet.
> >
> > By the way, they suggest either MeasureUp or SelfTestSoftware.com - which
> > is
> > the better site for testing software?
> > --
> > Motochick
>

Correction. If you check the web there are CBT Nuggets, Sybex and some videos
on you tube. Using the product helps, but the book copywrite is 2007 and at
the time the test did not have simulations. For the money they should have a
revised disk or links to Microsoft Learning Sims to make up for the
inadequate testing software. Which by the way if you check the errata, the
book and the testing software have around 40 mistakes. They should offer
these sims at no charge. Train Signal also has all the sims you would need,
but they cost.

"Lawrence Garvin [MVP]" wrote:

> "Jo" <> wrote in message
> news:E8FEF067-FEF4-431E-ACF2-...
>
> > Well, I tested and failed. I found that the Press Book was no preparation
> > for the test I took. The book gives you a ton of multiple choice
> > questions -
> > I had 25 simulations and 25 multiple choice. Where the heck are the
> > simulations on the testing software?
>
> No testing software provides simulations.
>
> With all respect that may be due.... the test did what it was designed to
> do.
>
> It separates the people who just study the book from those who actually
> *know* the product.
>
> > Now I have to find a testing site to
> > purchase more testing software or e-learning so I can pass the test.
>
> No.. I'd suggest you install and *USE* the product for three months, and
> then you won't need help with the demos, you'll actually *know* how to
> perform the procedures. Note: Installing a trial copy of Vista Ultimate for
> 120 days is exponentially cheaper than buying any eLearning. If you're
> prepared to pay money then you should purchase, install, and use the
> product. For starters, working through the exercises in the MSPress book
> would be a good start -- rather than just reading them.
>
>
> > By the way, they suggest either MeasureUp or SelfTestSoftware.com - which
> > is
> > the better site for testing software?
>
> Testing software WILL NOT HELP. None of the testing sofware provides
> simulations. The only way to practice for simulation testing is to install
> and use the software -- which is exactly why the simulations are included in
> the exam.
>
>
> --
> Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP:EA, MCDBA
> Principal/CTO, Onsite Technology Solutions, Houston, Texas
> Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2009)
>
> My Blog: http://onsitechsolutions.spaces.live.com
> Microsoft WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
> My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/pro...awrence.Garvin
>

I totally agree. They must have these tests built in a non english country or
they dont proof the product. Many things are wrong with the whole cert
process when you go to classes at supposed MS Partners. For 8000.00 you would
think they would hand out sim software. My school did not even measure
progress with pop quizzes or tests. MS needs to police these borderline
crooks. When have you ever heard of these facilities being inspected. You
need to download MS Virtual Machine 2007 for free and install evaluation
copies of Vista and "legally" extend the product for 120 days using slmgr
-rearm command. Note: How did you like the remote assist sim that the only
place you could launch RA was in the help menu?

"Jo" wrote:

> With all due respect here, I did install the product and have an active
> laptop that I have used for over a YEAR. Having a reading comprehension
> problem, I am truly amazed as to what I did comprehend out of all of
> this....I read, practiced and still failed...so do a lot of others who read,
> practiced and "used the product".
>
> If you state "testing software won't help" - what the heck is the Press Book
> - but testing software?! And YES, it didn't help either in getting through
> the test.
>
> The problem with the test is that the simulation questions are so VAGUE that
> a lot of people probably can't make heads or tails out of what they are
> supposed to do. UAC - I knew where to go, but to answer the question, you
> had to sit and pull the question apart...read it over and over before any
> sense was made of it.
>
> Yes, Microsoft, you need to be "specific" when you give a simulation
> question, otherwise, more and more people will continue to fail even though
> they read, practiced and USED THE PRODUCT.
> --
> Motochick
>
>
> "Lawrence Garvin [MVP]" wrote:
>
> > "Jo" <> wrote in message
> > news:E8FEF067-FEF4-431E-ACF2-...
> >
> > > Well, I tested and failed. I found that the Press Book was no preparation
> > > for the test I took. The book gives you a ton of multiple choice
> > > questions -
> > > I had 25 simulations and 25 multiple choice. Where the heck are the
> > > simulations on the testing software?
> >
> > No testing software provides simulations.
> >
> > With all respect that may be due.... the test did what it was designed to
> > do.
> >
> > It separates the people who just study the book from those who actually
> > *know* the product.
> >
> > > Now I have to find a testing site to
> > > purchase more testing software or e-learning so I can pass the test.
> >
> > No.. I'd suggest you install and *USE* the product for three months, and
> > then you won't need help with the demos, you'll actually *know* how to
> > perform the procedures. Note: Installing a trial copy of Vista Ultimate for
> > 120 days is exponentially cheaper than buying any eLearning. If you're
> > prepared to pay money then you should purchase, install, and use the
> > product. For starters, working through the exercises in the MSPress book
> > would be a good start -- rather than just reading them.
> >
> >
> > > By the way, they suggest either MeasureUp or SelfTestSoftware.com - which
> > > is
> > > the better site for testing software?
> >
> > Testing software WILL NOT HELP. None of the testing sofware provides
> > simulations. The only way to practice for simulation testing is to install
> > and use the software -- which is exactly why the simulations are included in
> > the exam.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP:EA, MCDBA
> > Principal/CTO, Onsite Technology Solutions, Houston, Texas
> > Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2009)
> >
> > My Blog: http://onsitechsolutions.spaces.live.com
> > Microsoft WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
> > My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/pro...awrence.Garvin
> >