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Why does this group have so much spam?

 
 
casebash
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      08-30-2009
So much of it could be removed even by simple keyword filtering.
 
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r
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      08-30-2009
On Aug 29, 7:18*pm, casebash <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> So much of it could be removed even by simple keyword filtering.


A more interesting question is what morons are responding to this spam
and enticing the spammers to proliferate their garbage? Do people
actually see a spam like "Phallus enlargement pills" and say to
themself "Alright!, just what i been looking for!". I guess i just
can't understand foolishness...

Yes i agree, far to much spam is getting through.
 
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Bruce C. Baker
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      08-30-2009

"casebash" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> So much of it could be removed even by simple keyword filtering.


Assuming this is a serious question:

1. comp.lang.python has relatively little spam, compared to others.

2. The spam posters aren't looking for responses within the individual NGs,
they're just hoping you'll click through to the link within the post. It's a
version of "fire and forget"

3. Simple keyword filtering /by whom/? There is no central NG governing
authority.

The best response is to ignore[1] the spam posts; they'll eventually expire
and disappear from your newsreader.

[1] Although if they're egregiously stupid, you may find yourself mocking
the OP. Realize that as witty and urbane as your response may be, the OP
ain't listening.


 
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Dennis Lee Bieber
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      08-30-2009
On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:00:54 -0500, "Bruce C. Baker"
<(E-Mail Removed)> declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:

"casebash" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> So much of it could be removed even by simple keyword filtering.


<snip>
>
> 1. comp.lang.python has relatively little spam, compared to others.
>

Except when viewing it via the uncontrolled Google Groups function
-- in which 90% of the spam seems to be posted by users with throw-away
GMAIL email addresses... Which conditions seem to apply to the original
poster: both a Google Groups posting, using a gmail address.

> 3. Simple keyword filtering /by whom/? There is no central NG governing
> authority.
>

And experience shows that Google doesn't care at all...

> The best response is to ignore[1] the spam posts; they'll eventually expire
> and disappear from your newsreader.
>

Not from someone reading Google Groups -- spammers don't bother with
"x-no-archive" <G>

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Miles Kaufmann
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      08-30-2009
> "casebash" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> So much of it could be removed even by simple keyword filtering.


Funny, I was just thinking recently about how *little* spam this list
gets--on the other hand, I'm following it via the python-list@ mailing
list. The list owners do a great job of keeping the level of spam at
a minimum, though there are occasional false positives (like your
post, apparently, since I'm only seeing the replies).

-Miles

 
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Byung-Hee HWANG
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      08-30-2009
casebash <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:

> So much of it could be removed even by simple keyword filtering.


Use (E-Mail Removed) [1], instead.

[1] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

--
"He's a responsible man in his own way."
-- Michael Corleone, "Chapter 25", page 363
 
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Nobody
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      08-30-2009
On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:18:35 +0200, David wrote:

>> So much of it could be removed even by simple keyword filtering.

>
> I think there is only one final solution to the spam pestilence: a tiny tax
> on email and posts.
> Spammers send hundreds of thousands of emails/posts a day and a tax of
> 0.0001$ each does not harm normal users but discurages spammers.


Apart from the impossibility of implementing such a tax, it isn't going to
discourage spammers when the tax will be paid by the owner of the
compromised PC from which they're sending their spam.

If you want to avoid usenet spam and don't want to filter it yourself,
find a provider with more aggressive spam filter. Ultimately, it's up to
the person running the news server as to which posts they will or will not
accept.

 
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Terry Reedy
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      08-30-2009
Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:
> casebash <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
>
>> So much of it could be removed even by simple keyword filtering.

>
> Use (E-Mail Removed) [1], instead.
>
> [1] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list


Or read python-list as a newsgroup via news.gmane.org, which mirrors
python-list, not c.l.p.


 
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Terry Reedy
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      08-30-2009
Nobody wrote:

> Apart from the impossibility of implementing such a tax, it isn't going to
> discourage spammers when the tax will be paid by the owner of the
> compromised PC from which they're sending their spam.


It would encourge PC owners to not let their machine be used as a spambot.

 
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r
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      08-30-2009
On Aug 30, 4:23*pm, David <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
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> The owner of compromised PC should be responsible of his computer like the
> owner of a car is responsible of damages caused by its car.
> That owner should keep his computer clean as he *must* keep his car
> functional and safe.


Yes i agree but your logic is flawed. If someone cuts my brake lines
and i cannot stop who is to blame? Or if someone throws nails on the
highway and i crash, who is to blame? Obviously you cannot blame the
car owner. However if i let my brake pads wear out until they are
metal on metal and run over some poor old lady crossing the street --
well now you got me!

But you cannot apply this logic when a hacker compromises someones
computer, it the same as cutting their brake lines. How can you
honestly expect that Joe computer user will know of this infection? Do
you even know where your brake lines are? Even hackers can be hacked
without ever knowing it! The only sure fire way is VM's or system re-
installs.

> Today most of the people consider cyber security an optional, but all of us
> pay for their negligence. Those people are externalizing to the rest of the
> world their costs in terms of SO updating, antivirus, firewall and
> knowledge. This is unfair.


Yes, keeping a running AV and proper updating i agree with...

> This is mainly a matter of sensibility and culture: in '50/60s active and
> passive car safety was an optional, today is a must.
> I think it's time to switch to responsible computing and the mail-tax would
> charge each person of its own costs and annoyances without affectig the rest
> of the world.


What, this is madness! If you have terrorist terrorizing your country
you don't tax the public when they blow up a shopping mall so you can
rebuild it! No you kill the terrorist in a harsh and painful manner
and make an example of them, then you seize there monies. You should
direct your anger to the proper internet security authorities(and more
importantly to the perpetrator's) and not the innocent victims of such
attacks. I want you to sit back and think very deeply about your
proposal here because it is horribly wrong.

It is so easy to just slap a tax on something, yes that will solve
everything. *sarcasm*

> > If you want to avoid usenet spam and don't want to filter it yourself,
> > find a provider with more aggressive spam filter.

>
> This is not the solution. You are saying that if your neighbour makes loud
> noises you can not call police to impose him to cease but you can only make
> your home soundproof.


or you could go over and punch him in the nose, works every time for
me

 
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