Re: Octopus encryption

John Smith <> wrote in
news:4a5d2b39$0$24969$ ster.com:

> Check out Serpent and why it's better than AES, it didn't get the
> votes to win first place at some convention so AES is more known.
> Serpent has it beat hands down.

Serpent is indeed an excellent crypto algorithm. However, even its most
famous (co-)author, Dr. Ross Anderson, recommends using AES instead -
see Chapter 5, page 94 of the first edition of Anderson's "Security
Engineering" which is available online here:

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/SE-05.pdf

The book is a classic and it's well worth ponying up for the second
edition (which I have).

It's not that Serpent is inferior to AES (it's arguably better) but the
tremendous amouunt of crypto "hammering" that AES has gotten since it
was "selected" means it has been, and is continuing to be, far more
extensively and thoroughly analyzed and tested.

Regards,

nemo_outis

On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:16:36 -0700, John Smith wrote:

> nemo_outis wrote:
>> John Smith <> wrote in
>> news:4a5d2b39$0$24969$ ster.com:
>>
>>> Check out Serpent and why it's better than AES, it didn't get the
>>> votes to win first place at some convention so AES is more known.
>>> Serpent has it beat hands down.
>>
>> Serpent is indeed an excellent crypto algorithm. However, even its most
>> famous (co-)author, Dr. Ross Anderson, recommends using AES instead -
>> see Chapter 5, page 94 of the first edition of Anderson's "Security
>> Engineering" which is available online here:
>>
>> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/SE-05.pdf
>>
>> The book is a classic and it's well worth ponying up for the second
>> edition (which I have).
>>
>> It's not that Serpent is inferior to AES (it's arguably better) but the
>> tremendous amouunt of crypto "hammering" that AES has gotten since it
>> was "selected" means it has been, and is continuing to be, far more
>> extensively and thoroughly analyzed and tested.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
> True, I still think serpent is better though. Given a chance, I'm sure
> it could stand up just as well or better than AES.

Did you not hear one ****ing thing that nemo said? Serpent by
cryptological definition (its in use capabilities) is waaaaaaay down the
crypto-totem pole to AES.
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=?utf-8?Q?=E2=99=A5Ari=E2=99=A5?= <> wrote in
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> Did you not hear one ****ing thing that nemo said? Serpent by
> cryptological definition (its in use capabilities) is waaaaaaay down
> the crypto-totem pole to AES.

Not only did I hear what nemo said, I said what nemo said. And it wasn't
what you said, troll!

nemo_outis

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 07:28:03 +0200, John Smith wrote:

> ♥Ari♥ wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:16:36 -0700, John Smith wrote:
>>
>>> nemo_outis wrote:
>>>> John Smith <> wrote in
>>>> news:4a5d2b39$0$24969$ ster.com:
>>>>
>>>>> Check out Serpent and why it's better than AES, it didn't get the
>>>>> votes to win first place at some convention so AES is more known.
>>>>> Serpent has it beat hands down.
>>>> Serpent is indeed an excellent crypto algorithm. However, even its most
>>>> famous (co-)author, Dr. Ross Anderson, recommends using AES instead -
>>>> see Chapter 5, page 94 of the first edition of Anderson's "Security
>>>> Engineering" which is available online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/SE-05.pdf
>>>>
>>>> The book is a classic and it's well worth ponying up for the second
>>>> edition (which I have).
>>>>
>>>> It's not that Serpent is inferior to AES (it's arguably better) but the
>>>> tremendous amouunt of crypto "hammering" that AES has gotten since it
>>>> was "selected" means it has been, and is continuing to be, far more
>>>> extensively and thoroughly analyzed and tested.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> True, I still think serpent is better though. Given a chance, I'm sure
>>> it could stand up just as well or better than AES.
>>
>> Did you not hear one ****ing thing that nemo said? Serpent by
>> cryptological definition (its in use capabilities) is waaaaaaay down the
>> crypto-totem pole to AES.
>
> No one asked you for your opinion troll.

Our companion Mr Smith may be a seemingly personable soul but we
must take care not to let this obscure the fact that he is far too
dense to realize he has long ago been out of his depth in this
exchange.

I think you could be wasting your time because Mr Smith lacks the
basic personal equipment needed to comprehend these concepts.

In other words, he has no ****ing brains.
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 05:42:50 GMT, nemo_outis wrote:

> =?utf-8?Q?=E2=99=A5Ari=E2=99=A5?= <> wrote in
> news:h3rl4d$bko$:
>
>> Did you not hear one ****ing thing that nemo said? Serpent by
>> cryptological definition (its in use capabilities) is waaaaaaay down
>> the crypto-totem pole to AES.
>
> Not only did I hear what nemo said, I said what nemo said. And it wasn't
> what you said, troll!

Howdy, nemo, how's retirement, sitting their eating your mac n cheese
and jacking off on the TV waiting for the missus to return from screwing
half of Nepal <snicker>
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