How long do posts stay on a newsgroup?

> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <> wrote in
> message
> news:h379b2$9uv$...
>>>
>> After looking at a couple thousand posts there, and after weeding out
>> the spam and real test messages, one is left with only a few real
>> people, and _you_.
>>

A very interesting comment which I missed before!

I am currently using Window XP Home SP3 and Outlook Express 6 as my
newsreader.

I have four news servers set up at present. The number of messages
shown
on each server varies, but *none* have " .. a couple of thousand
posts"!

I'll list what are currently showing for the
'microsoft.public.test.here' groups.

news.aioe.org 121
news.eternal-september.org 418
msnews.microsoft.com 25
news.microsoft.com 25

How many posts do you see in that newsgroup please?
(and which newserver are you using?)

I'd appreciate your response. Thank you
--
Dave

~BD~

"Tim Jackson" <> wrote in message
news: o.uk...
> ~BD~ wrote:
>
>> How many posts do you see in that newsgroup please?
>> (and which newserver are you using?)
>>
>> I'd appreciate your response. Thank you
>> --
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>

Hello Tim - thanks for replying (but, damn it, why could you not answer
my question regarding how many posts you can see in that test group?!!!)

More in line .........

> There is no definitive answer. You still don't "get" Usenet do you?

You are right - and I thank you for trying to help me understand.

> Unlike a website, bulletin board or Google group, a Usenet group has
> no definite physical existence, it is entirely distributed and
> emergent. Globally the posts only exist on the net for as long as it
> takes to transmit them: in principle they are broadcast once only.
> How long they are kept by a recipient, the individual ISP or news host
> that you read posts from, depends on that recipient and usually varies
> from day to day with traffic load.
>
> However most ISPs and news hosts make arrangements known as "peering"
> to retransmit to one another posts they may have missed, and typically
> aim to retain posts for a few weeks. Google, of course, keeps them
> forever. Identified spam is not retained, in some cases more
> efficiently than others.

This is an interesting aspect. Would I be right in thinking, then, that
*any* individual with a sufficiently large server could capture such
messages and 're-transmit' them?

> The actual retention period should be irrelevant to you as long as it
> is longer than the period between your accesses to the host. It is in
> principle up to you the reader to retain posts for as long as you want
> them.

That part I *do* understand!

> Playing a numbers game establishing a list of how many posts each
> particular host is holding for a particular groups is pretty
> pointless: as well as indicating retention period it may equally
> indicate lack of spam filtering.

I am only interested in the 'microsoft.public.test.here' newsgroup
............. and the number of posts there which others can see. Please
give me a numerical answer Tim. Thanks!

--
Dave
Now approaching Uxbridge. On the Thames soon!

~BD~

In alt.computer.security, Rôgêr wrote:

> ~BD~ cross-posted:
>>> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>>>> After looking at a couple thousand posts there, and after weeding
>>>> out the spam and real test messages, one is left with only a few
>>>> real people, and _you_.
>>
>> A very interesting comment which I missed before!
>> ...
>> I'll list what are currently showing for the
>> 'microsoft.public.test.here' groups.
>>
>> news.eternal-september.org 418
>> ..
>> How many posts do you see in that newsgroup please?

I see 1,138 posts on e-s.org in the MS test.here group.

>> (and which newserver are you using?)

Learn to read headers. <lol>

> I almost forgot to answer your main question, which of course means
> little to nothing. But on the server I'm on at the moment the number
> of posts is 6,703,494.

Thanks for quoting BoaterDave, else I would not have seen his
question...

--
-bts
-Friends don't let friends drive Windows

Beauregard T. Shagnasty

"~BD~" <> wrote:

>I am only interested in the 'microsoft.public.test.here' newsgroup
>............ and the number of posts there which others can see. Please
>give me a numerical answer Tim. Thanks!


microsoft.public.test.here

news.Individual.net
4176 messages

nntp.charter.net
says there are too many messages to retrieve
(thats a lot of messages)
--

http://genypost.com/2009/07/dont-look-down/

Pennywise@DerryMaine.Gov

"~BD~" <> writes:

> I have four news servers set up at present. The number of messages
> shown
> on each server varies, but *none* have " .. a couple of thousand
> posts"!
>
> I'll list what are currently showing for the
> 'microsoft.public.test.here' groups.
>
> news.aioe.org 121
> news.eternal-september.org 418
> msnews.microsoft.com 25
> news.microsoft.com 25
>
> How many posts do you see in that newsgroup please?
> (and which newserver are you using?)
>
> I'd appreciate your response. Thank you

groups.google.com
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...topics?lnk=srg
has 16906 posts.

That's probably the best known usenet archive (they bought
dejanews.com which was among the first if I recall correctly). Being
able to post and track reading there is a relatively new feature
(though it's been around for years too).

As you've noticed, the expiration policies of various nntp providers
vary, but archives pretty much never forget.

--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/

Todd H.

<> wrote in message
news:...
> "~BD~" <> wrote:
>
>>I am only interested in the 'microsoft.public.test.here' newsgroup
>>............ and the number of posts there which others can see.
>>Please
>>give me a numerical answer Tim. Thanks!
>
>
> microsoft.public.test.here
>
> news.Individual.net
> 4176 messages
>
> nntp.charter.net
> says there are too many messages to retrieve
> (thats a lot of messages)
> --
>
> http://genypost.com/2009/07/dont-look-down/

Many thanks for your response, Pennywise.

FYI, I set up 'news.Individual.net' in Outlook Express. Although I was
advised that 'Authorisation' was needed to download messages, OE6 did
report that there were 4203 messages not yet downloaded, much in line
with what you mentioned.

Does one have to subscribe (pay) to use the service?
--
Dave

~BD~

"dadiOH" <> wrote in message
news:%Hj6m.98478$2...
> ~BD~ wrote:
>>> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <> wrote in
>>> message
>>> news:h379b2$9uv$...
>>>>>
>>>> After looking at a couple thousand posts there, and after weeding
>>>> out the spam and real test messages, one is left with only a few
>>>> real people, and _you_.
>>>>
>>
>> A very interesting comment which I missed before!
>>
>> I am currently using Window XP Home SP3 and Outlook Express 6 as my
>> newsreader.
>>
>> I have four news servers set up at present. The number of messages
>> shown
>> on each server varies, but *none* have " .. a couple of thousand
>> posts"!
>>
>> I'll list what are currently showing for the
>> 'microsoft.public.test.here' groups.
>>
>> news.aioe.org 121
>> news.eternal-september.org 418
>> msnews.microsoft.com 25
>> news.microsoft.com 25
>>
>> How many posts do you see in that newsgroup please?
>> (and which newserver are you using?)
>>
>> I'd appreciate your response. Thank you
>
> I downloaded the newest 1301 headers, says there are 1343272
> remaining. The post dates renge from 7/11/2009 to 3/2/2009.
> Usenet-News.net
>
> --
>
> dadiOH
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>
>

Many thanks for your help, dadiOH
--
Dave

~BD~

"Todd H." <> wrote in message
news:...
> "~BD~" <> writes:
>
>> I have four news servers set up at present. The number of messages
>> shown
>> on each server varies, but *none* have " .. a couple of thousand
>> posts"!
>>
>> I'll list what are currently showing for the
>> 'microsoft.public.test.here' groups.
>>
>> news.aioe.org 121
>> news.eternal-september.org 418
>> msnews.microsoft.com 25
>> news.microsoft.com 25
>>
>> How many posts do you see in that newsgroup please?
>> (and which newserver are you using?)
>>
>> I'd appreciate your response. Thank you
>
> groups.google.com
> http://groups.google.com/group/micro...topics?lnk=srg
> has 16906 posts.
>
> That's probably the best known usenet archive (they bought
> dejanews.com which was among the first if I recall correctly). Being
> able to post and track reading there is a relatively new feature
> (though it's been around for years too).
>
> As you've noticed, the expiration policies of various nntp providers
> vary, but archives pretty much never forget.
>
> --
> Todd H.
> http://www.toddh.net/

Many thanks for your response, Todd H. I appreciate it.

On the two 'Microsoft' servers I currently have loaded in Outlook
Express 6 as newsreaders - msnews.microsoft.com and news.microsoft.com
there are now just 14 messages being shown.

There are '0' - Zero - 'test' messages. All that are showing are posts
from either myself or PF.

Can you explain that? I'm very confused!
--
Dave

~BD~

"~BD~" <> wrote:

>FYI, I set up 'news.Individual.net' in Outlook Express. Although I was
>advised that 'Authorisation' was needed to download messages, OE6 did
>report that there were 4203 messages not yet downloaded, much in line
>with what you mentioned.

>Does one have to subscribe (pay) to use the service?

Individual.net cost 10 eruo (around 13 bucks U.S.) a year, and carry
text only groups. They would only work with clickandbuy for me to pay
thru, now it reads paypal or other avenues are acceptable.

I don't send money, they just charge the credit card. I get a receipt
once a year as email.

Charter.net is free in that I only pay for internet access. The
newsgroups aren't advertised, have a high retention rate, and carry a
fairly decent amount of groups.

--

http://genypost.com/2009/07/dont-look-down/

Pennywise@DerryMaine.Gov

<> wrote in message
news:...
> "~BD~" <> wrote:
>
>>FYI, I set up 'news.Individual.net' in Outlook Express. Although I was
>>advised that 'Authorisation' was needed to download messages, OE6 did
>>report that there were 4203 messages not yet downloaded, much in line
>>with what you mentioned.
>
>>Does one have to subscribe (pay) to use the service?
>
> Individual.net cost 10 eruo (around 13 bucks U.S.) a year, and carry
> text only groups. They would only work with clickandbuy for me to pay
> thru, now it reads paypal or other avenues are acceptable.
>
> I don't send money, they just charge the credit card. I get a receipt
> once a year as email.
>
> Charter.net is free in that I only pay for internet access. The
> newsgroups aren't advertised, have a high retention rate, and carry a
> fairly decent amount of groups.
>
> --
>
> http://genypost.com/2009/07/dont-look-down/


Many thanks for the extra information.

I may investigate further in due course.
--
Dave

~BD~