Starting from Scratch, should I go for MCSE or the new version of

Starting from Scratch, should I go for MCSE or the new version of it?

Confused on what is what and what I should do.

So is it correct that MCSE never "drops" and you keep forever? And you can
upgrade from MCSE to the other one with an upgrade path, thus starting off
with MCSE is best?

Igor M.

"Igor M." <Igor M.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Starting from Scratch, should I go for MCSE or the new version of it?
>
> Confused on what is what and what I should do.

You should certify based on where your *experience* is.

> So is it correct that MCSE never "drops" and you keep forever?

The Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer credential is awarded in
perpetuity, yes.

> And you can
> upgrade from MCSE to the other one with an upgrade path, thus starting off
> with MCSE is best?

For as long as the upgrade exams are available.




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Principal/CTO, Onsite Technology Solutions, Houston, Texas
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Lawrence Garvin [MVP]

basically i do not agree because MCSE take 7 papers plus addtional 2 upgrade
papers (if i am not mistaken).

if you directly take windows server 2008 MCITP (Server Administrator) only 3
papers will do.

Why you plan to waste $ ? you can study your own for MCSE but take exam
windows 2008 will be good and more cost effectively.

this is my own opinion only.

Peter (MCITP-Server Admin)

"Lawrence Garvin [MVP]" wrote:

> "Igor M." <Igor M.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:3B0FF074-B234-4614-89C8-...
> > Starting from Scratch, should I go for MCSE or the new version of it?
> >
> > Confused on what is what and what I should do.
>
> You should certify based on where your *experience* is.
>
> > So is it correct that MCSE never "drops" and you keep forever?
>
> The Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer credential is awarded in
> perpetuity, yes.
>
> > And you can
> > upgrade from MCSE to the other one with an upgrade path, thus starting off
> > with MCSE is best?
>
> For as long as the upgrade exams are available.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP:EA, MCDBA
> Principal/CTO, Onsite Technology Solutions, Houston, Texas
> Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2009)
>
> MS WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
> My Websites: http://www.onsitechsolutions.com;
> http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
> My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/pro...awrence.Garvin
>
>

PT

"PT" <> wrote in message
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> basically i do not agree because MCSE take 7 papers plus addtional 2
> upgrade
> papers (if i am not mistaken).

This is correct. The MCSE2003 certification requires seven exams.

The MCITP:EA (Win2008 equivalent) requires five exams.


> if you directly take windows server 2008 MCITP (Server Administrator) only
> 3
> papers will do.

Correct, the MCITP:SA (Win2003 MCSA equivalent) only requires three exams.

The MCSA2003 requires four exams.

> Why you plan to waste $ ? you can study your own for MCSE but take
> exam
> windows 2008 will be good and more cost effectively.

Because if you have *NO* experience with Window Server 2008, and five years
of experience with Windows Server 2003, then you *SHOULD* be pursuing:
[1] The MSCE (Win2003) certification, and
[2] more *experience* with Windows Server 2008,

and THEN when [1] and [2] above are achieved, it becomes worthwhile to sit
for the MCITP:SA and/or MCITP:EA certifications.via the upgrade exams.


> this is my own opinion only.

But, of course.

> Peter (MCITP-Server Admin)

--
Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP:EA, MCDBA
Principal/CTO, Onsite Technology Solutions, Houston, Texas
Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2009)

MS WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/pro...awrence.Garvin

Lawrence Garvin [MVP]

Lawrence Garvin [MVP] wrote:
>> Why you plan to waste $ ? you can study your own for MCSE but take
>> exam
>> windows 2008 will be good and more cost effectively.
>
> Because if you have *NO* experience with Window Server 2008, and five
> years of experience with Windows Server 2003, then you *SHOULD* be
> pursuing:
> [1] The MSCE (Win2003) certification, and
> [2] more *experience* with Windows Server 2008,
>
> and THEN when [1] and [2] above are achieved, it becomes worthwhile to
> sit for the MCITP:SA and/or MCITP:EA certifications.via the upgrade exams.

I fully agree. If you have no experience with Server 2008 you may end up
wasting money re-taking failed exams because you're trying to learn too
much too quickly. If you have decent working experience with Server 2003
then the MCSE could be a quick win.

Besides, Server 2003 will be around for a good while yet.

--
Chris.

Chris M

I think that most people should take both. Especially if they are still
primarily working with Windows 2003 servers. Plus you should also get both
the Server Administrator MSCITP and the Enterprise Administrator MSCITP. One
does not encompass the other, they are complementary.

BTW: There's no excuse for failing multiple exams. If you do, then you're
not
preparing. There is a multitude of study materials for almost for all but
the most
esoteric exams. Very seldom does an exam completely changed, as the 70-292
did, years after it was originally released.

IMO: The new MSCITP certifications require passing fewer certs because fewer
and fewer people were achieving MCSE status. Just look at the numbers (see
the
link below). There are 395,830 Windows NT MCSEs but only 153,216 Windows
2003 MCSEs. So when Microsoft says that the new certifications are more
task/job focused, I read that to mean, we had to make it as easy as we could
for people to obtain a professional level certification. Or in other words,
fewer exams for any particular certifications.

http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/certified.mspx

I'm not completely knocking the ideal of task/job focused certifications.
But unless you work for a large organization, you can't afford to be so
specialized. You truly need the broader range of knowledge that the old MCSE
exposed you to. So that means that you need to obtain multiple MSCITP
certs in stead of just one MCSE.

Harvey Colwell

JD in Phoenix:

"Igor M." wrote:

> Starting from Scratch, should I go for MCSE or the new version of it?
>
> Confused on what is what and what I should do.
>
> So is it correct that MCSE never "drops" and you keep forever? And you can
> upgrade from MCSE to the other one with an upgrade path, thus starting off
> with MCSE is best?

I think you are looking at this the wrong way. Certifications are aimed at
you learning how to support specific operating systems. If you think you are
likely to be supporting Windows Server 2003, then you should become an MCSE
2003. If you think you will only be supporting Windows Server 2008, then just
take those tests. I will tell you that in my opinion, you will be supporting
quite a bit of W2K3, as as time goes on more W2K8. I will also tell you,
again, in my opinion, that some of the best stuff I have ever learned while I
was studying for certifications, was material I studied for the MCSE 2003:
Security 70-298 and 70-299 tests. Again, what is your goal? If you just want
to get the cert, then go for it. If you really want to be a well qualified,
well trained, well rounded systems engineer AND be certified, then go the
whole route and get both MCSE 2003 and MCITP W2K8.

My opinion, for what it is worth.

JD