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Bob Skutnick
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      12-17-2003
Greetings,
I'm hoping someone has experienced a problem I'm having:

I have an existing ASP application (working fine) that
uses an SSL server certificate. My user community is made
up of both PC's and Macintosh computers.

I've re-written this application in ASP.NET for a number
of reasons and now find that my Mac users are having
problems with the application. SSL works just fine for PC
users, won't work for Mac users (browser is Internet
Explorer). When a Mac user tries to login to my
application using SSL (https://) the browser produces an
error saying "Security failure, a secure connection could
not be established". Mac users can use the site/app
without SSL (http://)

This is the same server and site and server certificate
that was used with the ASP app. Is there a problem
using "server.transfer()" when SSL is part of the
equation? Any special web.config issues?

I'm truly stumped on this one... Thanks so much for any
assistance.

Bob Skutnick


 
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NoOne
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      12-17-2003
I have encountered something very similar to this.

We have internal access with no SSL, and external access with SSL. The only
problem we had is when users with Mac and IE or Netscape tried to access the
site externally hence going through SSL. The same Mac with the same
IE/Netscape would succeed internally, no SSL, but fail externally with SSL.
We do not get the error you are getting but get something like "resource not
available" from IE, netscape hangs forever. Here is the kicker, it only
happens with form posts, not gets. I created a plain html page with a form
post, and sure enough I encounter this problems. Change it to a form get and
it succeeds. So in our scenario its the IE/Netscape on Mac in combination
with our SSL accelarator in combination with form posts. Our network guys
have a question in with Cisco to see if they had seen this before.

So I don't have any answers but I am seeing somthing similar.




"Bob Skutnick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:00d601c3c4bc$933389f0$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Greetings,
> I'm hoping someone has experienced a problem I'm having:
>
> I have an existing ASP application (working fine) that
> uses an SSL server certificate. My user community is made
> up of both PC's and Macintosh computers.
>
> I've re-written this application in ASP.NET for a number
> of reasons and now find that my Mac users are having
> problems with the application. SSL works just fine for PC
> users, won't work for Mac users (browser is Internet
> Explorer). When a Mac user tries to login to my
> application using SSL (https://) the browser produces an
> error saying "Security failure, a secure connection could
> not be established". Mac users can use the site/app
> without SSL (http://)
>
> This is the same server and site and server certificate
> that was used with the ASP app. Is there a problem
> using "server.transfer()" when SSL is part of the
> equation? Any special web.config issues?
>
> I'm truly stumped on this one... Thanks so much for any
> assistance.
>
> Bob Skutnick
>
>



 
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Bob Skutnick
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      12-17-2003
Most interesting. I'm using form post (not get). Normally
with MS IE on a Mac there is no error - just hangs, in IE
5.2.2 under OS X you see the "security failure". Have not
tried Netscape yet.

Bob

>-----Original Message-----
>I have encountered something very similar to this.
>
>We have internal access with no SSL, and external access

with SSL. The only
>problem we had is when users with Mac and IE or Netscape

tried to access the
>site externally hence going through SSL. The same Mac

with the same
>IE/Netscape would succeed internally, no SSL, but fail

externally with SSL.
>We do not get the error you are getting but get

something like "resource not
>available" from IE, netscape hangs forever. Here is the

kicker, it only
>happens with form posts, not gets. I created a plain

html page with a form
>post, and sure enough I encounter this problems. Change

it to a form get and
>it succeeds. So in our scenario its the IE/Netscape on

Mac in combination
>with our SSL accelarator in combination with form posts.

Our network guys
>have a question in with Cisco to see if they had seen

this before.
>
>So I don't have any answers but I am seeing somthing

similar.
>
>
>
>
>"Bob Skutnick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in

message
>news:00d601c3c4bc$933389f0$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Greetings,
>> I'm hoping someone has experienced a problem I'm

having:
>>
>> I have an existing ASP application (working fine) that
>> uses an SSL server certificate. My user community is

made
>> up of both PC's and Macintosh computers.
>>
>> I've re-written this application in ASP.NET for a

number
>> of reasons and now find that my Mac users are having
>> problems with the application. SSL works just fine for

PC
>> users, won't work for Mac users (browser is Internet
>> Explorer). When a Mac user tries to login to my
>> application using SSL (https://) the browser produces

an
>> error saying "Security failure, a secure connection

could
>> not be established". Mac users can use the site/app
>> without SSL (http://)
>>
>> This is the same server and site and server certificate
>> that was used with the ASP app. Is there a problem
>> using "server.transfer()" when SSL is part of the
>> equation? Any special web.config issues?
>>
>> I'm truly stumped on this one... Thanks so much for any
>> assistance.
>>
>> Bob Skutnick
>>
>>

>
>
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>

 
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NoOne
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      12-17-2003
Forgot one thing.. Opera and Safari on the Macs both succeed. So its only IE
and Netscape.

"Bob Skutnick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:00b501c3c4c7$a9489c70$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Most interesting. I'm using form post (not get). Normally
> with MS IE on a Mac there is no error - just hangs, in IE
> 5.2.2 under OS X you see the "security failure". Have not
> tried Netscape yet.
>
> Bob
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >I have encountered something very similar to this.
> >
> >We have internal access with no SSL, and external access

> with SSL. The only
> >problem we had is when users with Mac and IE or Netscape

> tried to access the
> >site externally hence going through SSL. The same Mac

> with the same
> >IE/Netscape would succeed internally, no SSL, but fail

> externally with SSL.
> >We do not get the error you are getting but get

> something like "resource not
> >available" from IE, netscape hangs forever. Here is the

> kicker, it only
> >happens with form posts, not gets. I created a plain

> html page with a form
> >post, and sure enough I encounter this problems. Change

> it to a form get and
> >it succeeds. So in our scenario its the IE/Netscape on

> Mac in combination
> >with our SSL accelarator in combination with form posts.

> Our network guys
> >have a question in with Cisco to see if they had seen

> this before.
> >
> >So I don't have any answers but I am seeing somthing

> similar.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Bob Skutnick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in

> message
> >news:00d601c3c4bc$933389f0$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> Greetings,
> >> I'm hoping someone has experienced a problem I'm

> having:
> >>
> >> I have an existing ASP application (working fine) that
> >> uses an SSL server certificate. My user community is

> made
> >> up of both PC's and Macintosh computers.
> >>
> >> I've re-written this application in ASP.NET for a

> number
> >> of reasons and now find that my Mac users are having
> >> problems with the application. SSL works just fine for

> PC
> >> users, won't work for Mac users (browser is Internet
> >> Explorer). When a Mac user tries to login to my
> >> application using SSL (https://) the browser produces

> an
> >> error saying "Security failure, a secure connection

> could
> >> not be established". Mac users can use the site/app
> >> without SSL (http://)
> >>
> >> This is the same server and site and server certificate
> >> that was used with the ASP app. Is there a problem
> >> using "server.transfer()" when SSL is part of the
> >> equation? Any special web.config issues?
> >>
> >> I'm truly stumped on this one... Thanks so much for any
> >> assistance.
> >>
> >> Bob Skutnick
> >>
> >>

> >
> >
> >.
> >



 
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SteveC
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      12-17-2003

Maybe there is a certificate-trust issue that can be
tweaked on the Mac side.

Maybe the HTTP header is not being sufficently unwrapped
on the Mac side, or it can't be unwrapped fast enough on
the Mac side and the error defaults to "Security
failure...". Or vice-versa on the web server side.

Is the web server exactly the same (NT/Win2K/Win2K3)
between your application versions? Is the certificate
exactly the same? Just to rule out low-level issues, you
might want to install the ASP site on one IP number and
ASP.NET on another IP number and switch between them to
make sure that it is ASP.NET that is actually causing the
issue.

Assuming that it is in fact ASP.NET, are you using
cookies or sessions? Those state mechanisms have to put
information into the HTTP header. Using cookieless
sessions (my favorite) or strict ViewState might solve
your problem, as they transfer state info wholly in the
GET and HTTP body.

Are you using ASP.NET Forms Authentication or a custom
implementation? Perhaps either (especially the default
cookie-using method of Forms Auth) is not translating
something over SSL.

Hope that helps.




>-----Original Message-----
>Greetings,
>I'm hoping someone has experienced a problem I'm having:
>
>I have an existing ASP application (working fine) that
>uses an SSL server certificate. My user community is

made
>up of both PC's and Macintosh computers.
>
>I've re-written this application in ASP.NET for a number
>of reasons and now find that my Mac users are having
>problems with the application. SSL works just fine for

PC
>users, won't work for Mac users (browser is Internet
>Explorer). When a Mac user tries to login to my
>application using SSL (https://) the browser produces an
>error saying "Security failure, a secure connection

could
>not be established". Mac users can use the site/app
>without SSL (http://)
>
>This is the same server and site and server certificate
>that was used with the ASP app. Is there a problem
>using "server.transfer()" when SSL is part of the
>equation? Any special web.config issues?
>
>I'm truly stumped on this one... Thanks so much for any
>assistance.
>
>Bob Skutnick
>
>
>.
>

 
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Bob Skutnick
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      12-17-2003
Thanks for your ideas.

Exact same server (win2k), exact same certificate. Exact
same SQL server custom authentication.
Your mention of cookieless session state was a good
thought as I am using cookies. I changed it to
cookieless="true" and was hopeful but the app still fails
on a Mac browser.
Someone mentioned get vs. post and that seems to be
something. All of my forms use method="post". All of my
page to page navigation use server.transfer. Any thoughts
on this?

I might be getting somewhere.
Bob

>-----Original Message-----
>
>Maybe there is a certificate-trust issue that can be
>tweaked on the Mac side.
>
>Maybe the HTTP header is not being sufficently unwrapped
>on the Mac side, or it can't be unwrapped fast enough on
>the Mac side and the error defaults to "Security
>failure...". Or vice-versa on the web server side.
>
>Is the web server exactly the same (NT/Win2K/Win2K3)
>between your application versions? Is the certificate
>exactly the same? Just to rule out low-level issues,

you
>might want to install the ASP site on one IP number and
>ASP.NET on another IP number and switch between them to
>make sure that it is ASP.NET that is actually causing

the
>issue.
>
>Assuming that it is in fact ASP.NET, are you using
>cookies or sessions? Those state mechanisms have to put
>information into the HTTP header. Using cookieless
>sessions (my favorite) or strict ViewState might solve
>your problem, as they transfer state info wholly in the
>GET and HTTP body.
>
>Are you using ASP.NET Forms Authentication or a custom
>implementation? Perhaps either (especially the default
>cookie-using method of Forms Auth) is not translating
>something over SSL.
>
>Hope that helps.
>
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>Greetings,
>>I'm hoping someone has experienced a problem I'm having:
>>
>>I have an existing ASP application (working fine) that
>>uses an SSL server certificate. My user community is

>made
>>up of both PC's and Macintosh computers.
>>
>>I've re-written this application in ASP.NET for a

number
>>of reasons and now find that my Mac users are having
>>problems with the application. SSL works just fine for

>PC
>>users, won't work for Mac users (browser is Internet
>>Explorer). When a Mac user tries to login to my
>>application using SSL (https://) the browser produces

an
>>error saying "Security failure, a secure connection

>could
>>not be established". Mac users can use the site/app
>>without SSL (http://)
>>
>>This is the same server and site and server certificate
>>that was used with the ASP app. Is there a problem
>>using "server.transfer()" when SSL is part of the
>>equation? Any special web.config issues?
>>
>>I'm truly stumped on this one... Thanks so much for any
>>assistance.
>>
>>Bob Skutnick
>>
>>
>>.
>>

>.
>

 
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NoOne
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      12-17-2003
Did you try creating the simple html page with a form post and do the
expirement i tried? Did you try Opera or Safari? In my situation, which is
very close to your problem, these two tests took away asp.net having any
involvement in my problem, and put all of the focus on the SSL acelerator
along with IE/Netscape on MAC being the real culprits, which the network
admins confirmed.


"Bob Skutnick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:01e601c3c4dd$d0b22c20$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Thanks for your ideas.
>
> Exact same server (win2k), exact same certificate. Exact
> same SQL server custom authentication.
> Your mention of cookieless session state was a good
> thought as I am using cookies. I changed it to
> cookieless="true" and was hopeful but the app still fails
> on a Mac browser.
> Someone mentioned get vs. post and that seems to be
> something. All of my forms use method="post". All of my
> page to page navigation use server.transfer. Any thoughts
> on this?
>
> I might be getting somewhere.
> Bob
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >
> >Maybe there is a certificate-trust issue that can be
> >tweaked on the Mac side.
> >
> >Maybe the HTTP header is not being sufficently unwrapped
> >on the Mac side, or it can't be unwrapped fast enough on
> >the Mac side and the error defaults to "Security
> >failure...". Or vice-versa on the web server side.
> >
> >Is the web server exactly the same (NT/Win2K/Win2K3)
> >between your application versions? Is the certificate
> >exactly the same? Just to rule out low-level issues,

> you
> >might want to install the ASP site on one IP number and
> >ASP.NET on another IP number and switch between them to
> >make sure that it is ASP.NET that is actually causing

> the
> >issue.
> >
> >Assuming that it is in fact ASP.NET, are you using
> >cookies or sessions? Those state mechanisms have to put
> >information into the HTTP header. Using cookieless
> >sessions (my favorite) or strict ViewState might solve
> >your problem, as they transfer state info wholly in the
> >GET and HTTP body.
> >
> >Are you using ASP.NET Forms Authentication or a custom
> >implementation? Perhaps either (especially the default
> >cookie-using method of Forms Auth) is not translating
> >something over SSL.
> >
> >Hope that helps.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>Greetings,
> >>I'm hoping someone has experienced a problem I'm having:
> >>
> >>I have an existing ASP application (working fine) that
> >>uses an SSL server certificate. My user community is

> >made
> >>up of both PC's and Macintosh computers.
> >>
> >>I've re-written this application in ASP.NET for a

> number
> >>of reasons and now find that my Mac users are having
> >>problems with the application. SSL works just fine for

> >PC
> >>users, won't work for Mac users (browser is Internet
> >>Explorer). When a Mac user tries to login to my
> >>application using SSL (https://) the browser produces

> an
> >>error saying "Security failure, a secure connection

> >could
> >>not be established". Mac users can use the site/app
> >>without SSL (http://)
> >>
> >>This is the same server and site and server certificate
> >>that was used with the ASP app. Is there a problem
> >>using "server.transfer()" when SSL is part of the
> >>equation? Any special web.config issues?
> >>
> >>I'm truly stumped on this one... Thanks so much for any
> >>assistance.
> >>
> >>Bob Skutnick
> >>
> >>
> >>.
> >>

> >.
> >



 
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Bob Skutnick
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      12-17-2003
I tried Safari and it works fine with SSL, which makes me
think the problem is not asp.net. If that is true and the
problem is the SSL acelerator (I don't know what that is)
how could I fix it? Or is it possible?
Thanks,
Bob
>-----Original Message-----
>Did you try creating the simple html page with a form

post and do the
>expirement i tried? Did you try Opera or Safari? In my

situation, which is
>very close to your problem, these two tests took away

asp.net having any
>involvement in my problem, and put all of the focus on

the SSL acelerator
>along with IE/Netscape on MAC being the real culprits,

which the network
>admins confirmed.
>
>
>"Bob Skutnick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in

message
>news:01e601c3c4dd$d0b22c20$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Thanks for your ideas.
>>
>> Exact same server (win2k), exact same certificate.

Exact
>> same SQL server custom authentication.
>> Your mention of cookieless session state was a good
>> thought as I am using cookies. I changed it to
>> cookieless="true" and was hopeful but the app still

fails
>> on a Mac browser.
>> Someone mentioned get vs. post and that seems to be
>> something. All of my forms use method="post". All of my
>> page to page navigation use server.transfer. Any

thoughts
>> on this?
>>
>> I might be getting somewhere.
>> Bob
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >
>> >Maybe there is a certificate-trust issue that can be
>> >tweaked on the Mac side.
>> >
>> >Maybe the HTTP header is not being sufficently

unwrapped
>> >on the Mac side, or it can't be unwrapped fast enough

on
>> >the Mac side and the error defaults to "Security
>> >failure...". Or vice-versa on the web server side.
>> >
>> >Is the web server exactly the same (NT/Win2K/Win2K3)
>> >between your application versions? Is the certificate
>> >exactly the same? Just to rule out low-level issues,

>> you
>> >might want to install the ASP site on one IP number

and
>> >ASP.NET on another IP number and switch between them

to
>> >make sure that it is ASP.NET that is actually causing

>> the
>> >issue.
>> >
>> >Assuming that it is in fact ASP.NET, are you using
>> >cookies or sessions? Those state mechanisms have to

put
>> >information into the HTTP header. Using cookieless
>> >sessions (my favorite) or strict ViewState might solve
>> >your problem, as they transfer state info wholly in

the
>> >GET and HTTP body.
>> >
>> >Are you using ASP.NET Forms Authentication or a custom
>> >implementation? Perhaps either (especially the

default
>> >cookie-using method of Forms Auth) is not translating
>> >something over SSL.
>> >
>> >Hope that helps.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>Greetings,
>> >>I'm hoping someone has experienced a problem I'm

having:
>> >>
>> >>I have an existing ASP application (working fine)

that
>> >>uses an SSL server certificate. My user community is
>> >made
>> >>up of both PC's and Macintosh computers.
>> >>
>> >>I've re-written this application in ASP.NET for a

>> number
>> >>of reasons and now find that my Mac users are having
>> >>problems with the application. SSL works just fine

for
>> >PC
>> >>users, won't work for Mac users (browser is Internet
>> >>Explorer). When a Mac user tries to login to my
>> >>application using SSL (https://) the browser produces

>> an
>> >>error saying "Security failure, a secure connection
>> >could
>> >>not be established". Mac users can use the site/app
>> >>without SSL (http://)
>> >>
>> >>This is the same server and site and server

certificate
>> >>that was used with the ASP app. Is there a problem
>> >>using "server.transfer()" when SSL is part of the
>> >>equation? Any special web.config issues?
>> >>
>> >>I'm truly stumped on this one... Thanks so much for

any
>> >>assistance.
>> >>
>> >>Bob Skutnick
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>.
>> >>
>> >.
>> >

>
>
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JD
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      12-17-2003
I tried looking and looking and I have not found a resolution. Like I said
we have a admin waiting to hear from Cisco on this. It may be a firmware
bug, it may be an IE/Netscape Mac version bug???

The combination I had narrowed it done to is:

IE/Netscape + Macintosh + Form Post + SSL

Replace any one of the above and it works.

Opera/Safari + Macintosh + Form Post + SSL ->WORKS

IE/Netscape + Windows + Form Post + SSL -> WORKS

IE/Netscape + Macintosh + Form Get/Any HTTP Get + SSL -> WORKS

IE/Netscape + Macintosh + Form Post + NO SSL -> WORKS

IE/Netscape + Macintosh + Form Post + SSL -> BUG/ HANGS



"Bob Skutnick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:044601c3c4e3$2b5d2210$(E-Mail Removed)...
> I tried Safari and it works fine with SSL, which makes me
> think the problem is not asp.net. If that is true and the
> problem is the SSL acelerator (I don't know what that is)
> how could I fix it? Or is it possible?
> Thanks,
> Bob
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Did you try creating the simple html page with a form

> post and do the
> >expirement i tried? Did you try Opera or Safari? In my

> situation, which is
> >very close to your problem, these two tests took away

> asp.net having any
> >involvement in my problem, and put all of the focus on

> the SSL acelerator
> >along with IE/Netscape on MAC being the real culprits,

> which the network
> >admins confirmed.
> >
> >
> >"Bob Skutnick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in

> message
> >news:01e601c3c4dd$d0b22c20$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> Thanks for your ideas.
> >>
> >> Exact same server (win2k), exact same certificate.

> Exact
> >> same SQL server custom authentication.
> >> Your mention of cookieless session state was a good
> >> thought as I am using cookies. I changed it to
> >> cookieless="true" and was hopeful but the app still

> fails
> >> on a Mac browser.
> >> Someone mentioned get vs. post and that seems to be
> >> something. All of my forms use method="post". All of my
> >> page to page navigation use server.transfer. Any

> thoughts
> >> on this?
> >>
> >> I might be getting somewhere.
> >> Bob
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >
> >> >Maybe there is a certificate-trust issue that can be
> >> >tweaked on the Mac side.
> >> >
> >> >Maybe the HTTP header is not being sufficently

> unwrapped
> >> >on the Mac side, or it can't be unwrapped fast enough

> on
> >> >the Mac side and the error defaults to "Security
> >> >failure...". Or vice-versa on the web server side.
> >> >
> >> >Is the web server exactly the same (NT/Win2K/Win2K3)
> >> >between your application versions? Is the certificate
> >> >exactly the same? Just to rule out low-level issues,
> >> you
> >> >might want to install the ASP site on one IP number

> and
> >> >ASP.NET on another IP number and switch between them

> to
> >> >make sure that it is ASP.NET that is actually causing
> >> the
> >> >issue.
> >> >
> >> >Assuming that it is in fact ASP.NET, are you using
> >> >cookies or sessions? Those state mechanisms have to

> put
> >> >information into the HTTP header. Using cookieless
> >> >sessions (my favorite) or strict ViewState might solve
> >> >your problem, as they transfer state info wholly in

> the
> >> >GET and HTTP body.
> >> >
> >> >Are you using ASP.NET Forms Authentication or a custom
> >> >implementation? Perhaps either (especially the

> default
> >> >cookie-using method of Forms Auth) is not translating
> >> >something over SSL.
> >> >
> >> >Hope that helps.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>-----Original Message-----
> >> >>Greetings,
> >> >>I'm hoping someone has experienced a problem I'm

> having:
> >> >>
> >> >>I have an existing ASP application (working fine)

> that
> >> >>uses an SSL server certificate. My user community is
> >> >made
> >> >>up of both PC's and Macintosh computers.
> >> >>
> >> >>I've re-written this application in ASP.NET for a
> >> number
> >> >>of reasons and now find that my Mac users are having
> >> >>problems with the application. SSL works just fine

> for
> >> >PC
> >> >>users, won't work for Mac users (browser is Internet
> >> >>Explorer). When a Mac user tries to login to my
> >> >>application using SSL (https://) the browser produces
> >> an
> >> >>error saying "Security failure, a secure connection
> >> >could
> >> >>not be established". Mac users can use the site/app
> >> >>without SSL (http://)
> >> >>
> >> >>This is the same server and site and server

> certificate
> >> >>that was used with the ASP app. Is there a problem
> >> >>using "server.transfer()" when SSL is part of the
> >> >>equation? Any special web.config issues?
> >> >>
> >> >>I'm truly stumped on this one... Thanks so much for

> any
> >> >>assistance.
> >> >>
> >> >>Bob Skutnick
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>.
> >> >>
> >> >.
> >> >

> >
> >
> >.
> >



 
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