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I need a newsgroup server that allows cmsg newgroup control posts.

Moore's law says there aren't too many newsgroups (sorta) and so the
argument that there are too many is specious at best.

Limpy wrote:
> I need a newsgroup server that allows cmsg newgroup control posts.
>
> Moore's law says there aren't too many newsgroups (sorta) and so the
> argument that there are too many is specious at best.

Can you setup you own server, on your localhost, to do whatever you
are trying to do, in the remote nntp world?

On Fri, 22 May 2009 00:22:21 -0400, Limpy
<> wrote:

>I need a newsgroup server that allows cmsg newgroup control posts.
>
>Moore's law says there aren't too many newsgroups (sorta) and so the
>argument that there are too many is specious at best.

Most news services no longer accept 3rd party cancels.
Very few even cancel messages.

Or are you wanting to cancle the groups themselves?
rots of ruck bubba. only the service can do that.

In the magical world of this newsgroup called 24hoursupport.helpdesk
on Fri, 22 May 2009 07:35:26 -0400 we were all amazed to see richard
<> write:

>On Fri, 22 May 2009 00:22:21 -0400, Limpy
><> wrote:
>
>>I need a newsgroup server that allows cmsg newgroup control posts.
>>
>>Moore's law says there aren't too many newsgroups (sorta) and so the
>>argument that there are too many is specious at best.
>
>Most news services no longer accept 3rd party cancels.
>Very few even cancel messages.
>
>Or are you wanting to cancle the groups themselves?
>rots of ruck bubba. only the service can do that.


See above: "newgroup control posts"

Limpy wrote:

>See above: "newgroup control posts"


RtS barely knows what a control message is, much less a rmgroup or newgroup.

I don't know what servers for sure allow controls to be sent, Altopia comes to
mind. Ask in alt.config , someone there knows.

On Fri, 22 May 2009 07:35:26 -0400, richard <>
wrote:

>Most news services no longer accept 3rd party cancels.
>Very few even cancel messages.
>
>Or are you wanting to cancle the groups themselves?
>rots of ruck bubba. only the service can do that.

Wow.. Read much?

Where did the OP state he wanted to cancel anything?

Do you know what a cmsg control post is? Apparently not.
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On Fri, 22 May 2009 07:48:17 -0400, Limpy
<> wrote:

>In the magical world of this newsgroup called 24hoursupport.helpdesk
>on Fri, 22 May 2009 07:35:26 -0400 we were all amazed to see richard
><> write:
>
>>On Fri, 22 May 2009 00:22:21 -0400, Limpy
>><> wrote:
>>
>>>I need a newsgroup server that allows cmsg newgroup control posts.
>>>
>>>Moore's law says there aren't too many newsgroups (sorta) and so the
>>>argument that there are too many is specious at best.
>>
>>Most news services no longer accept 3rd party cancels.
>>Very few even cancel messages.
>>
>>Or are you wanting to cancle the groups themselves?
>>rots of ruck bubba. only the service can do that.
>
>
>See above: "newgroup control posts"

There are different types of control messages.
But basically, to do that you need a news client which can allow the
introduction of custom headers.
However, be warned that only in the "alt" hierarchy can YOU create a
new group this way. In all other hierarchies, there are other steps
that you must follow to create a group.

But it doesn't end there. After you send the message, you need to
contact several "feeds" and ask them to add the group. Then in a few
weeks the group should promulgate through the system.

On Fri, 22 May 2009 12:04:37 +0000 (UTC), G. Morgan
<> wrote:

>Limpy wrote:
>
>>See above: "newgroup control posts"
>
>
>RtS barely knows what a control message is, much less a rmgroup or newgroup.
>
>I don't know what servers for sure allow controls to be sent, Altopia comes to
>mind. Ask in alt.config , someone there knows.

I do know what they are as I have created a couple of groups purely to
see how it was done. I created one using OE6 even. Yes it can be done
with OE.

Most of the major services will allow the control messages. The real
problem is, will anything be done with it?

Just sending the cmsg is not always good enough. As most services no
longer automatically create the groups.

This all came about because of one idiot back in 97 or so had spent
several days, if not weeks, cancelling messages almost as soon as they
were posted. He had usenet so screwed up posts were showing up in
wrong threads and groups. It is because of that, 3rd party cancels are
no longer accepted.

Limpy wrote:
> I need a newsgroup server that allows cmsg newgroup control posts.

Maybe instead of that you need to read how to create an alt. group
http://nylon.net/alt/

A couple of different kinds of control messages are to cancel a message
or to create a newsgroup.


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On Fri, 22 May 2009 10:48:04 -0400, richard <>
wrote:

>I do know what they are as I have created a couple of groups purely to
>see how it was done. I created one using OE6 even. Yes it can be done
>with OE.

I really doubt you did.

>Most of the major services will allow the control messages. The real
>problem is, will anything be done with it?
>
>Just sending the cmsg is not always good enough. As most services no
>longer automatically create the groups.

That's the first right thing you've said...

>This all came about because of one idiot back in 97 or so had spent
>several days, if not weeks, cancelling messages almost as soon as they
>were posted. He had usenet so screwed up posts were showing up in
>wrong threads and groups. It is because of that, 3rd party cancels are
>no longer accepted.

LOL... I'm sure. And you have documentation of this, right?

And "3rd party cancels are no longer accepted"...
First: Does that mean first party cancels are accepted?
Second: What does cancels have to do with what the OP asked?
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