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In message <>, Stephen Worthington
wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:20:32 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> <_zealand> wrote:
>
>>In message <>, Stephen
>>Worthington wrote:
>>
>>> It is personal property if you buy the tickets in order to go to the
>>> event, then through unforeseen circumstances can not go and have to
>>> sell them. In which case the tickets should be on sold for the face
>>> value plus handling costs.
>>
>>Who gets the right to impose conditions on other people's property?
>
> The law. In quite a few countries, scalping is illegal. In other
> places, the terms of sale for tickets are supposed to prevent
> scalping. That apparently is not very effective.

So the laws against scalping are not very effective. Could that be because
they're trying to hold back powerful market forces?

>>> But the scalper scumbags buy up as many tickets as they can get their
>>> hands on at the legitimate price, preventing legitimate customers from
>>> getting them, then re-sell them at a huge profit.
>>
>>Could that be because the ticket price is too low?
>
> Not normally. Scalping happens more on high priced events than low
> priced ones.

If the scalpers aren't greatly increasing the price, then what's the
problem?

In message <gqtupg$r2q$>, Your Name wrote:

> ... Lawrence D'Dipstick doesn't have enough braincells to fill an ant's
> thimble ...

Ad-hominem attack--I win.

On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:10:11 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<_zealand> wrote:

>In message <>, Stephen Worthington
>wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:20:32 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
>> <_zealand> wrote:
>>
>>>In message <>, Stephen
>>>Worthington wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is personal property if you buy the tickets in order to go to the
>>>> event, then through unforeseen circumstances can not go and have to
>>>> sell them. In which case the tickets should be on sold for the face
>>>> value plus handling costs.
>>>
>>>Who gets the right to impose conditions on other people's property?
>>
>> The law. In quite a few countries, scalping is illegal. In other
>> places, the terms of sale for tickets are supposed to prevent
>> scalping. That apparently is not very effective.
>
>So the laws against scalping are not very effective. Could that be because
>they're trying to hold back powerful market forces?
>
>>>> But the scalper scumbags buy up as many tickets as they can get their
>>>> hands on at the legitimate price, preventing legitimate customers from
>>>> getting them, then re-sell them at a huge profit.
>>>
>>>Could that be because the ticket price is too low?
>>
>> Not normally. Scalping happens more on high priced events than low
>> priced ones.
>
>If the scalpers aren't greatly increasing the price, then what's the
>problem?

They frequently double the price, or more. And even if they were
selling them at cost, you would still have to find a scalper to buy
from, rather than going to a regular ticket agency. And I really
doubt that a scalper would be able to be found again if something went
wrong and you wanted to use your Consumer Guarantees Act rights.

In message <>, Stephen Worthington
wrote:

> On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:10:11 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> <_zealand> wrote:
>
>>In message <>, Stephen
>>Worthington wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:20:32 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
>>> <_zealand> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In message <>, Stephen
>>>>Worthington wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But the scalper scumbags buy up as many tickets as they can get their
>>>>> hands on at the legitimate price, preventing legitimate customers from
>>>>> getting them, then re-sell them at a huge profit.
>>>>
>>>>Could that be because the ticket price is too low?
>>>
>>> Not normally. Scalping happens more on high priced events than low
>>> priced ones.
>>
>>If the scalpers aren't greatly increasing the price, then what's the
>>problem?
>
> They frequently double the price, or more.

So the ticket price WAS too low.

> And I really doubt that a scalper would be able to be found again if
> something went wrong and you wanted to use your Consumer Guarantees Act
> rights.

Does the CGA apply to second-hand goods?

"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <_zealand> wrote in message
news:gqu7tt$ja$...
> In message <gqtupg$r2q$>, Your Name wrote:
>
> > ... Lawrence D'Dipstick doesn't have enough braincells to fill an ant's
> > thimble ...
>
> Ad-hominem attack--I win.

Yep, you win the prize for the biggest idiot on the official Idiot's Day (1
April). :-\

In message <gqub5r$2jk$>, Your Name wrote:

> "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <_zealand> wrote in message
> news:gqu7tt$ja$...
>
>> In message <gqtupg$r2q$>, Your Name wrote:
>>
>>> ... Lawrence D'Dipstick doesn't have enough braincells to fill an ant's
>>> thimble ...
>>
>> Ad-hominem attack--I win.
>
> Yep, you win the prize for the biggest idiot on the official Idiot's Day
> (1 April). :-\

Honestly, the anti-ticket-scalping crowd must be thinking, with friends like
you, who needs enemies?

On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:23:05 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<_zealand> wrote:

>In message <>, Stephen Worthington
>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:10:11 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
>> <_zealand> wrote:
>>
>>>In message <>, Stephen
>>>Worthington wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:20:32 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
>>>> <_zealand> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In message <>, Stephen
>>>>>Worthington wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> But the scalper scumbags buy up as many tickets as they can get their
>>>>>> hands on at the legitimate price, preventing legitimate customers from
>>>>>> getting them, then re-sell them at a huge profit.
>>>>>
>>>>>Could that be because the ticket price is too low?
>>>>
>>>> Not normally. Scalping happens more on high priced events than low
>>>> priced ones.
>>>
>>>If the scalpers aren't greatly increasing the price, then what's the
>>>problem?
>>
>> They frequently double the price, or more.
>
>So the ticket price WAS too low.

No, it happens on very expensive tickets too.

>> And I really doubt that a scalper would be able to be found again if
>> something went wrong and you wanted to use your Consumer Guarantees Act
>> rights.
>
>Does the CGA apply to second-hand goods?

Yes.