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Peter M
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      01-28-2009
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:25:54 +1300, Allistar <> wrote:

>oneofus wrote:
>
>> Allistar wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jan 26, 2:45 pm, Allistar <b...@c.com> wrote:
>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>> In message <mvadnQsll6J6UuHUnZ2dnUVZ_jgAA...@giganews.com>, Allistar
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> P2P doesn't imply any laws a being broken. I have legally downloaded
>>>>>>> many files from P2P sites.
>>>>>> Doesn't prevent ISPs from being pressured into clamping down on it,
>>>>>> though.
>>>>> Correct, but it would be unfair if they "clamped down on" what is
>>>>> perfectly legal activity.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Another issue is that P2P can easily become a major bandwidth hog.
>>>>> People pay for a certain service and regardless of the protocol they
>>>>> use they should be able to expect what they are paying for.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would guess though that it's the illegal P2P file sharing that is a
>>>>> resource hog. I'd imagine the legal kind is not (and would in fact
>>>>> spread the resources around, which is one of the reaons companies
>>>>> favour it). --
>>>>> A.
>>>> I think most of the problem stems from Big Media's view that P2P is
>>>> used only for piracy. Instead of embracing the technology early on,
>>>> the media companies actively resisted it and are now paying the price.
>>>
>>> It's a sorry system that sees companies with such fallacious opinions
>>> being able to effect legislation.

>>
>> There isn't any law agains p2p

>
>Yet.




A Number of Sites have a Torrent link to dnload there software, so what will happen
next..?


 
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oneofus
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      01-28-2009
Allistar wrote:
> Peter M wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:25:54 +1300, Allistar <> wrote:
>>
>>> oneofus wrote:
>>>
>>>> Allistar wrote:
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 26, 2:45 pm, Allistar <b...@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <mvadnQsll6J6UuHUnZ2dnUVZ_jgAA...@giganews.com>, Allistar
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> P2P doesn't imply any laws a being broken. I have legally
>>>>>>>>> downloaded many files from P2P sites.
>>>>>>>> Doesn't prevent ISPs from being pressured into clamping down on it,
>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>> Correct, but it would be unfair if they "clamped down on" what is
>>>>>>> perfectly legal activity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another issue is that P2P can easily become a major bandwidth hog.
>>>>>>> People pay for a certain service and regardless of the protocol they
>>>>>>> use they should be able to expect what they are paying for.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would guess though that it's the illegal P2P file sharing that is a
>>>>>>> resource hog. I'd imagine the legal kind is not (and would in fact
>>>>>>> spread the resources around, which is one of the reaons companies
>>>>>>> favour it). --
>>>>>>> A.
>>>>>> I think most of the problem stems from Big Media's view that P2P is
>>>>>> used only for piracy. Instead of embracing the technology early on,
>>>>>> the media companies actively resisted it and are now paying the price.
>>>>> It's a sorry system that sees companies with such fallacious opinions
>>>>> being able to effect legislation.
>>>> There isn't any law agains p2p
>>> Yet.

>>
>>
>> A Number of Sites have a Torrent link to dnload there software, so what
>> will happen next..?

>
> That depends on how sensible the lawmakers and ISPs are. ISPs alread
> throttle P2P traffic without caring whether the content is legal or not.


Which ISPs ?
 
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Stephen Worthington
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      01-28-2009
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:30:02 +1300, Allistar <> wrote:

>Peter M wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:25:54 +1300, Allistar <> wrote:
>>
>>>oneofus wrote:
>>>
>>>> Allistar wrote:
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 26, 2:45 pm, Allistar <b...@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <mvadnQsll6J6UuHUnZ2dnUVZ_jgAA...@giganews.com>, Allistar
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> P2P doesn't imply any laws a being broken. I have legally
>>>>>>>>> downloaded many files from P2P sites.
>>>>>>>> Doesn't prevent ISPs from being pressured into clamping down on it,
>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>> Correct, but it would be unfair if they "clamped down on" what is
>>>>>>> perfectly legal activity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another issue is that P2P can easily become a major bandwidth hog.
>>>>>>> People pay for a certain service and regardless of the protocol they
>>>>>>> use they should be able to expect what they are paying for.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would guess though that it's the illegal P2P file sharing that is a
>>>>>>> resource hog. I'd imagine the legal kind is not (and would in fact
>>>>>>> spread the resources around, which is one of the reaons companies
>>>>>>> favour it). --
>>>>>>> A.
>>>>>> I think most of the problem stems from Big Media's view that P2P is
>>>>>> used only for piracy. Instead of embracing the technology early on,
>>>>>> the media companies actively resisted it and are now paying the price.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a sorry system that sees companies with such fallacious opinions
>>>>> being able to effect legislation.
>>>>
>>>> There isn't any law agains p2p
>>>
>>>Yet.

>>
>>
>>
>> A Number of Sites have a Torrent link to dnload there software, so what
>> will happen next..?

>
>That depends on how sensible the lawmakers and ISPs are. ISPs alread
>throttle P2P traffic without caring whether the content is legal or not.


Only the bad ISPs.
 
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oneofus
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      01-28-2009
Allistar wrote:
> oneofus wrote:
>
>> Allistar wrote:
>>> Peter M wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:25:54 +1300, Allistar <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> oneofus wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Allistar wrote:
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 26, 2:45 pm, Allistar <b...@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In message <mvadnQsll6J6UuHUnZ2dnUVZ_jgAA...@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>> Allistar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> P2P doesn't imply any laws a being broken. I have legally
>>>>>>>>>>> downloaded many files from P2P sites.
>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't prevent ISPs from being pressured into clamping down on
>>>>>>>>>> it, though.
>>>>>>>>> Correct, but it would be unfair if they "clamped down on" what is
>>>>>>>>> perfectly legal activity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Another issue is that P2P can easily become a major bandwidth hog.
>>>>>>>>> People pay for a certain service and regardless of the protocol
>>>>>>>>> they use they should be able to expect what they are paying for.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would guess though that it's the illegal P2P file sharing that is
>>>>>>>>> a resource hog. I'd imagine the legal kind is not (and would in
>>>>>>>>> fact spread the resources around, which is one of the reaons
>>>>>>>>> companies favour it). --
>>>>>>>>> A.
>>>>>>>> I think most of the problem stems from Big Media's view that P2P is
>>>>>>>> used only for piracy. Instead of embracing the technology early on,
>>>>>>>> the media companies actively resisted it and are now paying the
>>>>>>>> price.
>>>>>>> It's a sorry system that sees companies with such fallacious opinions
>>>>>>> being able to effect legislation.
>>>>>> There isn't any law agains p2p
>>>>> Yet.
>>>>
>>>> A Number of Sites have a Torrent link to dnload there software, so what
>>>> will happen next..?
>>> That depends on how sensible the lawmakers and ISPs are. ISPs alread
>>> throttle P2P traffic without caring whether the content is legal or not.

>> Which ISPs ?

>
> http://azureuswiki.com/index.php/Bad_ISPs


That lists only one for New Zealand that I've never heard of that links
to an Australian url which serves up a blank page.
I guess they throttled themselves.
 
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Gordon
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      01-30-2009
On 2009-01-28, Allistar <> wrote:
> Peter M wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:25:54 +1300, Allistar <> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> A Number of Sites have a Torrent link to dnload there software, so what
>> will happen next..?

>
> That depends on how sensible the lawmakers and ISPs are. ISPs alread
> throttle P2P traffic without caring whether the content is legal or not.


An ISP is nothing more than a service. How much criminal activity is
arranged/carried out on the Telcom/Vodafone voice networks?

Technonlogy is netural, it is how it is used that is important
 
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Gordon
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      01-30-2009
On 2009-01-28, Allistar <> wrote:
> oneofus wrote:
>
>> Allistar wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jan 26, 2:45 pm, Allistar <b...@c.com> wrote:
>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>> In message <mvadnQsll6J6UuHUnZ2dnUVZ_jgAA...@giganews.com>, Allistar
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> P2P doesn't imply any laws a being broken. I have legally downloaded
>>>>>>> many files from P2P sites.
>>>>>> Doesn't prevent ISPs from being pressured into clamping down on it,
>>>>>> though.
>>>>> Correct, but it would be unfair if they "clamped down on" what is
>>>>> perfectly legal activity.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Another issue is that P2P can easily become a major bandwidth hog.
>>>>> People pay for a certain service and regardless of the protocol they
>>>>> use they should be able to expect what they are paying for.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would guess though that it's the illegal P2P file sharing that is a
>>>>> resource hog. I'd imagine the legal kind is not (and would in fact
>>>>> spread the resources around, which is one of the reaons companies
>>>>> favour it). --
>>>>> A.
>>>> I think most of the problem stems from Big Media's view that P2P is
>>>> used only for piracy. Instead of embracing the technology early on,
>>>> the media companies actively resisted it and are now paying the price.
>>>
>>> It's a sorry system that sees companies with such fallacious opinions
>>> being able to effect legislation.

>>
>> There isn't any law agains p2p

>
> Yet.


Now attempting to stop this is really buying a fight. There is one thing for
sure the Internet would be dumbed down to the point to boredom.

However, the current battle has to be won. Wait for someone to sidestep the
legislation on this, along with some long legal battles, while the battle
goes on.

In short, if the people want something on mass, no Government or dictator
can win
 
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oneofus
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      01-30-2009
Gordon wrote:
> On 2009-01-28, Allistar <> wrote:
>> oneofus wrote:
>>
>>> Allistar wrote:
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 26, 2:45 pm, Allistar <b...@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <mvadnQsll6J6UuHUnZ2dnUVZ_jgAA...@giganews.com>, Allistar
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> P2P doesn't imply any laws a being broken. I have legally downloaded
>>>>>>>> many files from P2P sites.
>>>>>>> Doesn't prevent ISPs from being pressured into clamping down on it,
>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>> Correct, but it would be unfair if they "clamped down on" what is
>>>>>> perfectly legal activity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another issue is that P2P can easily become a major bandwidth hog.
>>>>>> People pay for a certain service and regardless of the protocol they
>>>>>> use they should be able to expect what they are paying for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would guess though that it's the illegal P2P file sharing that is a
>>>>>> resource hog. I'd imagine the legal kind is not (and would in fact
>>>>>> spread the resources around, which is one of the reaons companies
>>>>>> favour it). --
>>>>>> A.
>>>>> I think most of the problem stems from Big Media's view that P2P is
>>>>> used only for piracy. Instead of embracing the technology early on,
>>>>> the media companies actively resisted it and are now paying the price.
>>>> It's a sorry system that sees companies with such fallacious opinions
>>>> being able to effect legislation.
>>> There isn't any law agains p2p

>> Yet.

>
> Now attempting to stop this is really buying a fight. There is one thing for
> sure the Internet would be dumbed down to the point to boredom.
>
> However, the current battle has to be won. Wait for someone to sidestep the
> legislation on this, along with some long legal battles, while the battle
> goes on.
>
> In short, if the people want something on mass, no Government or dictator
> can win


Stopping people from downloading by banning them from the internet is
not likely to increase sales of CDs and is going to reduce the pool of
potential customers for online sales.
If it has any symbolic effect on others, its likely to result in them
just being less interested in music.
Album sales dropped by 12% last year
The content industry need to focus on how to make a margin on what is
happening with file sharing rather than spending a disproportional
amount trying to stop it, they can only stop a percentage for no gain.
If they ran their own private trackers for a subscription fee for
preferential content with bonus features, they might add to their income
and put up deleted catalogue, satisfy and prolong an interest in music
or promote an enthusiasm for particular genre and encourage a wide
shallow fan base that may get acts booked for festival appearances etc.
 
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oneofus
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      01-30-2009
Allistar wrote:
> oneofus wrote:
>
>> Allistar wrote:
>>> Peter M wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:25:54 +1300, Allistar <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> oneofus wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Allistar wrote:
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 26, 2:45 pm, Allistar <b...@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In message <mvadnQsll6J6UuHUnZ2dnUVZ_jgAA...@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>> Allistar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> P2P doesn't imply any laws a being broken. I have legally
>>>>>>>>>>> downloaded many files from P2P sites.
>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't prevent ISPs from being pressured into clamping down on
>>>>>>>>>> it, though.
>>>>>>>>> Correct, but it would be unfair if they "clamped down on" what is
>>>>>>>>> perfectly legal activity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Another issue is that P2P can easily become a major bandwidth hog.
>>>>>>>>> People pay for a certain service and regardless of the protocol
>>>>>>>>> they use they should be able to expect what they are paying for.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would guess though that it's the illegal P2P file sharing that is
>>>>>>>>> a resource hog. I'd imagine the legal kind is not (and would in
>>>>>>>>> fact spread the resources around, which is one of the reaons
>>>>>>>>> companies favour it). --
>>>>>>>>> A.
>>>>>>>> I think most of the problem stems from Big Media's view that P2P is
>>>>>>>> used only for piracy. Instead of embracing the technology early on,
>>>>>>>> the media companies actively resisted it and are now paying the
>>>>>>>> price.
>>>>>>> It's a sorry system that sees companies with such fallacious opinions
>>>>>>> being able to effect legislation.
>>>>>> There isn't any law agains p2p
>>>>> Yet.
>>>>
>>>> A Number of Sites have a Torrent link to dnload there software, so what
>>>> will happen next..?
>>> That depends on how sensible the lawmakers and ISPs are. ISPs alread
>>> throttle P2P traffic without caring whether the content is legal or not.

>> Which ISPs ?

>
> http://azureuswiki.com/index.php/Bad_ISPs


Even better check your connection yourself with Google
http://www.measurementlab.net/measur...lab-tools.html
 
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