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Vista really sucks. It looks neat, but it is slow and not worth the
effort.
My problem is that Vista needs a DVD ROM-Gee-lets all go out and buy
new DVD Drives. That is what I want to do with my hard earned money.

Than the Drivers needed are on the System Disk. And if they ain't
there, buy.

My system manual says it takes Vista, but in reality, it takes XP.
and 98.

Vista seems to be more trouble than it is worth I hear from other
techs. Stay with XP or 98-or what ever.

In Unity
teak

"teak" <> wrote in message
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> Vista really sucks. It looks neat, but it is slow and not worth the
> effort.
> My problem is that Vista needs a DVD ROM-Gee-lets all go out and buy
> new DVD Drives. That is what I want to do with my hard earned money.
>
> Than the Drivers needed are on the System Disk. And if they ain't
> there, buy.
>
> My system manual says it takes Vista, but in reality, it takes XP.
> and 98.
>
> Vista seems to be more trouble than it is worth I hear from other
> techs. Stay with XP or 98-or what ever.
>
> In Unity
> teak
so, you take this word of mouth? That's great. Let's all
make decisions based on heresy.

You can get Vista on CD.

You can tweak it too.

Yes it's new, and buggy. But the service packs will
remedy a lot.

Good advice to stay with XP for now, though.

Curtis

I agree with you Barry. Anybody that has ever bought the "first" edition of
any MS operating system has learned to wait for the inevitable SP edition.

Athough its been awhile since I used the "Vista Upgrade Advisor", I do seem
to recall it was "recommended" to have a DVD.

Tom

"Barry Watzman" <> wrote in message
news:46b900a9$0$12178$...
> The time has long since past when every computer should have a DVD drive.
> And with DVD BURNERS (not DVD-ROMs, but dual-layer "burn everything, all
> formats" burners) in the $30's you are nuts not to have one.
>
> While I might agree with you that for now I prefer XP, your post is
> nothing but a bunch of whining.
>
>
> teak wrote:
>> Vista really sucks. It looks neat, but it is slow and not worth the
>> effort.
>> My problem is that Vista needs a DVD ROM-Gee-lets all go out and buy
>> new DVD Drives. That is what I want to do with my hard earned money.
>>
>> Than the Drivers needed are on the System Disk. And if they ain't
>> there, buy.
>>
>> My system manual says it takes Vista, but in reality, it takes XP.
>> and 98.
>>
>> Vista seems to be more trouble than it is worth I hear from other
>> techs. Stay with XP or 98-or what ever.
>>
>> In Unity
>> teak
>>

I just installed Vista on two computers today and have a list of new
components that need to be purchased because there are no drivers for
them. A Netgear FA311 NIC, Sound Blaster Live, a modem (can't
remember the name) and the Intel 845 Video chip all seem to be out of
date according to Vista. Needless to say, the new components are not
being purchased and the test drive I installed it on was pulled and
the XP drive is back on.
It was installed using a DVD ROM drive, but I had the 4 CD Vista
Business version.
Unfortunately, I don't think any serive pack will resolve driver
issues for so called out of date components.
I just upgraded my personal computer to 4GB of RAM in preparation for
Vista. I think all I need now is a new sound card and updates to a
dozen programs I use to make them work on Vista. I'm in no hurry to
move to Vista after what I experienced today.


On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:26:56 -0400, "Tom Benoit"
<> wrote:

>I agree with you Barry. Anybody that has ever bought the "first" edition of
>any MS operating system has learned to wait for the inevitable SP edition.
>
>Athough its been awhile since I used the "Vista Upgrade Advisor", I do seem
>to recall it was "recommended" to have a DVD.
>
>Tom
>
>"Barry Watzman" <> wrote in message
>news:46b900a9$0$12178$.. .
>> The time has long since past when every computer should have a DVD drive.
>> And with DVD BURNERS (not DVD-ROMs, but dual-layer "burn everything, all
>> formats" burners) in the $30's you are nuts not to have one.
>>
>> While I might agree with you that for now I prefer XP, your post is
>> nothing but a bunch of whining.
>>
>>
>> teak wrote:
>>> Vista really sucks. It looks neat, but it is slow and not worth the
>>> effort.
>>> My problem is that Vista needs a DVD ROM-Gee-lets all go out and buy
>>> new DVD Drives. That is what I want to do with my hard earned money.
>>>
>>> Than the Drivers needed are on the System Disk. And if they ain't
>>> there, buy.
>>>
>>> My system manual says it takes Vista, but in reality, it takes XP.
>>> and 98.
>>>
>>> Vista seems to be more trouble than it is worth I hear from other
>>> techs. Stay with XP or 98-or what ever.
>>>
>>> In Unity
>>> teak
>>>
>

Did you use the "Upgrade Advisor" prior to installing Vista on the two
computers?
Did you check the latest HAL on Windows Marketplace to make sure all
components were approved?

Tom

"Mister" <not_a_chance@this_email_address.com> wrote in message
news:...
>I just installed Vista on two computers today and have a list of new
> components that need to be purchased because there are no drivers for
> them. A Netgear FA311 NIC, Sound Blaster Live, a modem (can't
> remember the name) and the Intel 845 Video chip all seem to be out of
> date according to Vista. Needless to say, the new components are not
> being purchased and the test drive I installed it on was pulled and
> the XP drive is back on.
> It was installed using a DVD ROM drive, but I had the 4 CD Vista
> Business version.
> Unfortunately, I don't think any serive pack will resolve driver
> issues for so called out of date components.
> I just upgraded my personal computer to 4GB of RAM in preparation for
> Vista. I think all I need now is a new sound card and updates to a
> dozen programs I use to make them work on Vista. I'm in no hurry to
> move to Vista after what I experienced today.
>
>
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:26:56 -0400, "Tom Benoit"
> <> wrote:
>
>>I agree with you Barry. Anybody that has ever bought the "first" edition
>>of
>>any MS operating system has learned to wait for the inevitable SP edition.
>>
>>Athough its been awhile since I used the "Vista Upgrade Advisor", I do
>>seem
>>to recall it was "recommended" to have a DVD.
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>"Barry Watzman" <> wrote in message
>>news:46b900a9$0$12178$. ..
>>> The time has long since past when every computer should have a DVD
>>> drive.
>>> And with DVD BURNERS (not DVD-ROMs, but dual-layer "burn everything, all
>>> formats" burners) in the $30's you are nuts not to have one.
>>>
>>> While I might agree with you that for now I prefer XP, your post is
>>> nothing but a bunch of whining.
>>>
>>>
>>> teak wrote:
>>>> Vista really sucks. It looks neat, but it is slow and not worth the
>>>> effort.
>>>> My problem is that Vista needs a DVD ROM-Gee-lets all go out and buy
>>>> new DVD Drives. That is what I want to do with my hard earned money.
>>>>
>>>> Than the Drivers needed are on the System Disk. And if they ain't
>>>> there, buy.
>>>>
>>>> My system manual says it takes Vista, but in reality, it takes XP.
>>>> and 98.
>>>>
>>>> Vista seems to be more trouble than it is worth I hear from other
>>>> techs. Stay with XP or 98-or what ever.
>>>>
>>>> In Unity
>>>> teak
>>>>
>>
>

Sorry about the typo...HAL = HCL...

I took a quick look and did not find the components you listed on the list.

Tom

"Tom Benoit" <> wrote in message
news:vN9ui.9394$...
> Did you use the "Upgrade Advisor" prior to installing Vista on the two
> computers?
> Did you check the latest HAL on Windows Marketplace to make sure all
> components were approved?
>
> Tom
>
> "Mister" <not_a_chance@this_email_address.com> wrote in message
> news:...
>>I just installed Vista on two computers today and have a list of new
>> components that need to be purchased because there are no drivers for
>> them. A Netgear FA311 NIC, Sound Blaster Live, a modem (can't
>> remember the name) and the Intel 845 Video chip all seem to be out of
>> date according to Vista. Needless to say, the new components are not
>> being purchased and the test drive I installed it on was pulled and
>> the XP drive is back on.
>> It was installed using a DVD ROM drive, but I had the 4 CD Vista
>> Business version.
>> Unfortunately, I don't think any serive pack will resolve driver
>> issues for so called out of date components.
>> I just upgraded my personal computer to 4GB of RAM in preparation for
>> Vista. I think all I need now is a new sound card and updates to a
>> dozen programs I use to make them work on Vista. I'm in no hurry to
>> move to Vista after what I experienced today.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:26:56 -0400, "Tom Benoit"
>> <> wrote:
>>
>>>I agree with you Barry. Anybody that has ever bought the "first" edition
>>>of
>>>any MS operating system has learned to wait for the inevitable SP
>>>edition.
>>>
>>>Athough its been awhile since I used the "Vista Upgrade Advisor", I do
>>>seem
>>>to recall it was "recommended" to have a DVD.
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>"Barry Watzman" <> wrote in message
>>>news:46b900a9$0$12178$.. .
>>>> The time has long since past when every computer should have a DVD
>>>> drive.
>>>> And with DVD BURNERS (not DVD-ROMs, but dual-layer "burn everything,
>>>> all
>>>> formats" burners) in the $30's you are nuts not to have one.
>>>>
>>>> While I might agree with you that for now I prefer XP, your post is
>>>> nothing but a bunch of whining.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> teak wrote:
>>>>> Vista really sucks. It looks neat, but it is slow and not worth the
>>>>> effort.
>>>>> My problem is that Vista needs a DVD ROM-Gee-lets all go out and buy
>>>>> new DVD Drives. That is what I want to do with my hard earned money.
>>>>>
>>>>> Than the Drivers needed are on the System Disk. And if they ain't
>>>>> there, buy.
>>>>>
>>>>> My system manual says it takes Vista, but in reality, it takes XP.
>>>>> and 98.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vista seems to be more trouble than it is worth I hear from other
>>>>> techs. Stay with XP or 98-or what ever.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Unity
>>>>> teak
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

No. Now wait, before anyone says "aha, see, you didn't do it right!"
The reason I was installing it on either computer, which later turned
out to be on both, was to see how long it takes to install, and what
problems I might have with the computers in the company. It was a
good excercise and the results are that XP will be on these computers
until their EOL.
As it turns out, not one single computer in our company is capable of
running Vista without some sort of component upgrade. The component
that needs to be replaced in most of our computers (Dells) is the
sound card (Sound Blaster).


On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:22:29 -0400, "Tom Benoit"
<> wrote:

>Did you use the "Upgrade Advisor" prior to installing Vista on the two
>computers?
>Did you check the latest HAL on Windows Marketplace to make sure all
>components were approved?
>
>Tom
>
>"Mister" <not_a_chance@this_email_address.com> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>>I just installed Vista on two computers today and have a list of new
>> components that need to be purchased because there are no drivers for
>> them. A Netgear FA311 NIC, Sound Blaster Live, a modem (can't
>> remember the name) and the Intel 845 Video chip all seem to be out of
>> date according to Vista. Needless to say, the new components are not
>> being purchased and the test drive I installed it on was pulled and
>> the XP drive is back on.
>> It was installed using a DVD ROM drive, but I had the 4 CD Vista
>> Business version.
>> Unfortunately, I don't think any serive pack will resolve driver
>> issues for so called out of date components.
>> I just upgraded my personal computer to 4GB of RAM in preparation for
>> Vista. I think all I need now is a new sound card and updates to a
>> dozen programs I use to make them work on Vista. I'm in no hurry to
>> move to Vista after what I experienced today.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:26:56 -0400, "Tom Benoit"
>> <> wrote:
>>
>>>I agree with you Barry. Anybody that has ever bought the "first" edition
>>>of
>>>any MS operating system has learned to wait for the inevitable SP edition.
>>>
>>>Athough its been awhile since I used the "Vista Upgrade Advisor", I do
>>>seem
>>>to recall it was "recommended" to have a DVD.
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>"Barry Watzman" <> wrote in message
>>>news:46b900a9$0$12178$.. .
>>>> The time has long since past when every computer should have a DVD
>>>> drive.
>>>> And with DVD BURNERS (not DVD-ROMs, but dual-layer "burn everything, all
>>>> formats" burners) in the $30's you are nuts not to have one.
>>>>
>>>> While I might agree with you that for now I prefer XP, your post is
>>>> nothing but a bunch of whining.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> teak wrote:
>>>>> Vista really sucks. It looks neat, but it is slow and not worth the
>>>>> effort.
>>>>> My problem is that Vista needs a DVD ROM-Gee-lets all go out and buy
>>>>> new DVD Drives. That is what I want to do with my hard earned money.
>>>>>
>>>>> Than the Drivers needed are on the System Disk. And if they ain't
>>>>> there, buy.
>>>>>
>>>>> My system manual says it takes Vista, but in reality, it takes XP.
>>>>> and 98.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vista seems to be more trouble than it is worth I hear from other
>>>>> techs. Stay with XP or 98-or what ever.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Unity
>>>>> teak
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>

I got it, I like it. It's not perfect, but...

The main thing, I believe, to be careful about is when installing it onto a
computer that isn't brand new. Microsoft always downplays the system
requirements, and they really did, this time. Especially for the graphics
card, most pre-2007 computers just won't have a sufficient graphics card to
support the new graphics, which are outstanding. Also, it is very RAM
intensive. I wanted to be familiar with the OS quickly, didn't want to f***
around, so back in May, I just bought a brand new Inspiron E1505 from Dell,
with 2 Gigs of RAM. Generally, it's a nice experience. It's crashed 3
times since May, and there are a few other flies in the ointment, but it's
good.

And, indeed, many third-party drivers aren't ready for Vista, but they'll
have to be, sooner or later.

smackedass

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:05:40 GMT, smackedass wrote:

> I got it, I like it. It's not perfect, but...
>
> The main thing, I believe, to be careful about is when installing it onto a
> computer that isn't brand new. Microsoft always downplays the system
> requirements, and they really did, this time. Especially for the graphics
> card, most pre-2007 computers just won't have a sufficient graphics card to
> support the new graphics, which are outstanding. Also, it is very RAM
> intensive. I wanted to be familiar with the OS quickly, didn't want to f***
> around, so back in May, I just bought a brand new Inspiron E1505 from Dell,
> with 2 Gigs of RAM. Generally, it's a nice experience. It's crashed 3
> times since May, and there are a few other flies in the ointment, but it's
> good.
>
> And, indeed, many third-party drivers aren't ready for Vista, but they'll
> have to be, sooner or later.
>
> smackedass

And, the NForce2 motherboards are left out totally, because NVidia decided
not to do Vista drivers for them (I have 2 of them). That said, I won't be
upgrading to Vista in any near future date, which I feel is bad since I do
have my A+ and my knowledge of Vista issues will be very limited, but I
just can't afford to buy a new computer right now. My husband lost his
job, and we've gone from two incomes down to one. Btw, he's over 55, only
has a high school diploma and worked in factories (the same job for the
last 30 years) all his life. So, no, he's not employable I figure due to
age and lack of education. But, I digress here.

I'm disappointed that so much hardware is left without Vista drivers, but,
as I recall, the same type of thing happened when XP came out, didn't it?

Patty
A+ 2006
Now working on Network+

On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 07:28:01 -0700, teak <> wrote:

>Vista really sucks. It looks neat, but it is slow and not worth the
>effort.
>My problem is that Vista needs a DVD ROM-Gee-lets all go out and buy
>new DVD Drives. That is what I want to do with my hard earned money.
>
>Than the Drivers needed are on the System Disk. And if they ain't
>there, buy.
>
>My system manual says it takes Vista, but in reality, it takes XP.
>and 98.
>
>Vista seems to be more trouble than it is worth I hear from other
>techs. Stay with XP or 98-or what ever.
>
>In Unity
>teak

It's called progress and the result is it needs a more robust system. What does a DVD drive cost?
$20? A DVD Dual Layer recorder costs around $40 so the Rom drive will be much cheaper. Drivers will
need to catch up as well as software updates. Happens with every new OS release. Everyone HATED XP
when it came out with all of it's bugs and security holes. Then, the service packs came and it is
pretty solid. Why did you bother to get Vista if you didnt meet the minimum requirements? I hope
you have 1GB ram or more.

Tony