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As far as the test goes, be prepared to know what CPUs go with what
sockets and slots. Memorizing this is really very important in the real
world when your customer asks about upgrading an older PC (and isn't
that all we should expect to see in for repairs, are older PCs?). Some
CPUs will fit into sockets that they won't work in, but if you put them
in the wrong socket you can fry that new expensive CPU.

My personal opinion is that too much emphasis is placed on studying for
a test, rather than studying to be the best techs we can possibly be.

FYI, Pentium IIs came on cards that used those slots you read about.
Hopefully, you won't have to work on anything that old, but wouldn't it
be nice to know more than the savvy gamer/overclocker-type when they
walk in your front door and start checking you out before having you
build their next extreme PC gaming machine? (Especially, if other
customers are around listening in to the entire conversation.)

e.g. A customer walks in with an older PC, which has a Celeron 500Mhz
CPU, and he wants to know about upgrading it to a Pentium 4 using the
existing motherboard. Are you gonna ask him to wait while you go look it
up in your books, or are you gonna fire off that it can be upgraded to a
Pentium III, but not a Pentium 4?

We joke about the tests in this newsgroup, but they have a lot of real
world validity. (Dang, and we wished it was just a new high tech way of
boosting our male egos even more than our wives and gf's already do. LOL)

John

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Paul wrote:
> I am reading the TestTaker's Guide today and it said that the Slot type
> was "the standard" today. This confused me. I have only built three
> computers, but they have all been socket CPU's. Most currently an AMD64
> 3500+ s939.
>
> Now this is for the Core test from 2003. IS the book wrong, or have I
> for some reason never seen a Slot CPU?

> FYI, Pentium IIs came on cards that used those slots you read about.
> Hopefully, you won't have to work on anything that old, but wouldn't it
> be nice to know more than the savvy gamer/overclocker-type when they
> walk in your front door and start checking you out before having you
> build their next extreme PC gaming machine? (Especially, if other
> customers are around listening in to the entire conversation.)

I have an aunt that refuses to upgrade her pentium 100Mhz. I was serviceing
it for her for the last couple years but last year I told her that I would
no longer work on it. She keeps buying stuff, like a new scanner, and then
gets upset her computer can't handle it. She just e-mailed about 3 months
ago and says shes ready to update as long as the new computer runs all her
old programs. Of course I told her that the old programs (library and
family tree programs) likely wouldn't run on the new one and that she would
have to check to see if her programs had updated versions that would run on
XP. She hasn't e-mailed since!

SBFan2000 wrote:

>
>> FYI, Pentium IIs came on cards that used those slots you read about.
>> Hopefully, you won't have to work on anything that old, but wouldn't it
>> be nice to know more than the savvy gamer/overclocker-type when they
>> walk in your front door and start checking you out before having you
>> build their next extreme PC gaming machine? (Especially, if other
>> customers are around listening in to the entire conversation.)
>
> I have an aunt that refuses to upgrade her pentium 100Mhz. I was
> serviceing it for her for the last couple years but last year I told her
> that I would
> no longer work on it. She keeps buying stuff, like a new scanner, and
> then
> gets upset her computer can't handle it. She just e-mailed about 3 months
> ago and says shes ready to update as long as the new computer runs all her
> old programs. Of course I told her that the old programs (library and
> family tree programs) likely wouldn't run on the new one and that she
> would have to check to see if her programs had updated versions that would
> run on
> XP. She hasn't e-mailed since!

What OS is she running? Most of her old stuff should run fine under her old
operating system in a virtual machine under vmWare or Virtual PC. If you
haven't used either of these you should check them out. Simple solution to
the problem of legacy software.


--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

believe shes running win95. I see alot of machines and they run together
but I think shes still 95, I may have updated her to 98 at some point.
Never heard of vmware or VirtualPC. These are programs that run other
legacy programs under XP? Or are they OSes in their own right?


"J. Clarke" <> wrote in message
news:...
> SBFan2000 wrote:
>
> >
> >> FYI, Pentium IIs came on cards that used those slots you read about.
> >> Hopefully, you won't have to work on anything that old, but wouldn't it
> >> be nice to know more than the savvy gamer/overclocker-type when they
> >> walk in your front door and start checking you out before having you
> >> build their next extreme PC gaming machine? (Especially, if other
> >> customers are around listening in to the entire conversation.)
> >
> > I have an aunt that refuses to upgrade her pentium 100Mhz. I was
> > serviceing it for her for the last couple years but last year I told her
> > that I would
> > no longer work on it. She keeps buying stuff, like a new scanner, and
> > then
> > gets upset her computer can't handle it. She just e-mailed about 3
months
> > ago and says shes ready to update as long as the new computer runs all
her
> > old programs. Of course I told her that the old programs (library and
> > family tree programs) likely wouldn't run on the new one and that she
> > would have to check to see if her programs had updated versions that
would
> > run on
> > XP. She hasn't e-mailed since!
>
> What OS is she running? Most of her old stuff should run fine under her
old
> operating system in a virtual machine under vmWare or Virtual PC. If you
> haven't used either of these you should check them out. Simple solution
to
> the problem of legacy software.
>
>
> --
> --John
> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

SBFan2000 wrote:

> believe shes running win95. I see alot of machines and they run together
> but I think shes still 95, I may have updated her to 98 at some point.
> Never heard of vmware or VirtualPC. These are programs that run other
> legacy programs under XP? Or are they OSes in their own right?

They let you run one OS as a guest under another. As an example, I have a
laptop here on which I can have running at the same time XP, DOS, Windows
98, Linux, OS/X, Novell, and Vista. With that many up it's pretty doggy
mainly due to insufficient RAM, but with XP and 98 up it zips right along.

Virtual PC is a Microsoft product, they're going to be bundling it with some
versions of Vista. vmWare is third party, and arguably the more capable of
the two. vmWare also has a version that can run as the native OS with all
others as guests, but it's pretty pricey.

<http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx>
<http://www.vmware.com/>

Both have free trials available for download.

> "J. Clarke" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> SBFan2000 wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >> FYI, Pentium IIs came on cards that used those slots you read about.
>> >> Hopefully, you won't have to work on anything that old, but wouldn't
>> >> it be nice to know more than the savvy gamer/overclocker-type when
>> >> they walk in your front door and start checking you out before having
>> >> you build their next extreme PC gaming machine? (Especially, if other
>> >> customers are around listening in to the entire conversation.)
>> >
>> > I have an aunt that refuses to upgrade her pentium 100Mhz. I was
>> > serviceing it for her for the last couple years but last year I told
>> > her that I would
>> > no longer work on it. She keeps buying stuff, like a new scanner, and
>> > then
>> > gets upset her computer can't handle it. She just e-mailed about 3
> months
>> > ago and says shes ready to update as long as the new computer runs all
> her
>> > old programs. Of course I told her that the old programs (library and
>> > family tree programs) likely wouldn't run on the new one and that she
>> > would have to check to see if her programs had updated versions that
> would
>> > run on
>> > XP. She hasn't e-mailed since!
>>
>> What OS is she running? Most of her old stuff should run fine under her
> old
>> operating system in a virtual machine under vmWare or Virtual PC. If you
>> haven't used either of these you should check them out. Simple solution
> to
>> the problem of legacy software.
>>
>>
>> --
>> --John
>> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
>> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

done dual booting before, matter of fact the computer I'm on right now has
it. What I've never done or tried (without 3rd party software) would be 98
(fat32) and XP (ntfs) assume if you do it that way that you can see both
volume under XP but when in 98 the XP volume won't be visible?

Also, if she buys dell is there a way to make a second part. and install 98
in it without losing all the software thats going to come preinstalled? Not
that that would be a big loss since most of that preinstalled stuff does
nothing but suck up resources.


"Barry Watzman" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Virtual PC virtualizes the entire PC; I/O ports, disk drives, etc., and
> will run any OS (even non-MS, such as OS/2, Linux, etc.) under Windows.
> But dual boot with "real" 95 or 98 is very easy to do, and Virtual PC
> is somewhat expensive (about $100, I think), while dual-boot of
> {DOS/95/98} and XP in two different partitions is "free" if you already
> have the earlier OS.
>
>
> SBFan2000 wrote:
>
> > believe shes running win95. I see alot of machines and they run
together
> > but I think shes still 95, I may have updated her to 98 at some point.
> > Never heard of vmware or VirtualPC. These are programs that run other
> > legacy programs under XP? Or are they OSes in their own right?
> >
> >
> > "J. Clarke" <> wrote in message
> > news:...
> >
> >>SBFan2000 wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>FYI, Pentium IIs came on cards that used those slots you read about.
> >>>>Hopefully, you won't have to work on anything that old, but wouldn't
it
> >>>>be nice to know more than the savvy gamer/overclocker-type when they
> >>>>walk in your front door and start checking you out before having you
> >>>>build their next extreme PC gaming machine? (Especially, if other
> >>>>customers are around listening in to the entire conversation.)
> >>>
> >>>I have an aunt that refuses to upgrade her pentium 100Mhz. I was
> >>>serviceing it for her for the last couple years but last year I told
her
> >>>that I would
> >>>no longer work on it. She keeps buying stuff, like a new scanner, and
> >>>then
> >>>gets upset her computer can't handle it. She just e-mailed about 3
> >
> > months
> >
> >>>ago and says shes ready to update as long as the new computer runs all
> >
> > her
> >
> >>>old programs. Of course I told her that the old programs (library and
> >>>family tree programs) likely wouldn't run on the new one and that she
> >>>would have to check to see if her programs had updated versions that
> >
> > would
> >
> >>>run on
> >>>XP. She hasn't e-mailed since!
> >>
> >>What OS is she running? Most of her old stuff should run fine under her
> >
> > old
> >
> >>operating system in a virtual machine under vmWare or Virtual PC. If
you
> >>haven't used either of these you should check them out. Simple solution
> >
> > to
> >
> >>the problem of legacy software.
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>--John
> >>to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> >>(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
> >
> >
> >

Barry Watzman wrote:

> Virtual PC virtualizes the entire PC; I/O ports, disk drives, etc., and
> will run any OS (even non-MS, such as OS/2, Linux, etc.) under Windows.
> But dual boot with "real" 95 or 98 is very easy to do, and Virtual PC
> is somewhat expensive (about $100, I think), while dual-boot of
> {DOS/95/98} and XP in two different partitions is "free" if you already
> have the earlier OS.

Virtual PC is 100 bucks. Vmware server starting with the next release, now
in beta, and vmware player are free. You can use server to set up the
virtual machine and then run it with player.

> SBFan2000 wrote:
>
>> believe shes running win95. I see alot of machines and they run together
>> but I think shes still 95, I may have updated her to 98 at some point.
>> Never heard of vmware or VirtualPC. These are programs that run other
>> legacy programs under XP? Or are they OSes in their own right?
>>
>>
>> "J. Clarke" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>
>>>SBFan2000 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>FYI, Pentium IIs came on cards that used those slots you read about.
>>>>>Hopefully, you won't have to work on anything that old, but wouldn't it
>>>>>be nice to know more than the savvy gamer/overclocker-type when they
>>>>>walk in your front door and start checking you out before having you
>>>>>build their next extreme PC gaming machine? (Especially, if other
>>>>>customers are around listening in to the entire conversation.)
>>>>
>>>>I have an aunt that refuses to upgrade her pentium 100Mhz. I was
>>>>serviceing it for her for the last couple years but last year I told her
>>>>that I would
>>>>no longer work on it. She keeps buying stuff, like a new scanner, and
>>>>then
>>>>gets upset her computer can't handle it. She just e-mailed about 3
>>
>> months
>>
>>>>ago and says shes ready to update as long as the new computer runs all
>>
>> her
>>
>>>>old programs. Of course I told her that the old programs (library and
>>>>family tree programs) likely wouldn't run on the new one and that she
>>>>would have to check to see if her programs had updated versions that
>>
>> would
>>
>>>>run on
>>>>XP. She hasn't e-mailed since!
>>>
>>>What OS is she running? Most of her old stuff should run fine under her
>>
>> old
>>
>>>operating system in a virtual machine under vmWare or Virtual PC. If you
>>>haven't used either of these you should check them out. Simple solution
>>
>> to
>>
>>>the problem of legacy software.
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>--John
>>>to email, dial "usenet" and validate
>>>(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>>
>>
>>

--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:04:53 GMT, "SBFan2000"
<> wrote:

>done dual booting before, matter of fact the computer I'm on right now has
>it. What I've never done or tried (without 3rd party software) would be 98
>(fat32) and XP (ntfs) assume if you do it that way that you can see both
>volume under XP but when in 98 the XP volume won't be visible?

There are utilities available (Sysinternals, Winternals) that allow
read and write access of NTFS from FAT32...some people report
reliability problems.

Tom

>
>Also, if she buys dell is there a way to make a second part. and install 98
>in it without losing all the software thats going to come preinstalled? Not
>that that would be a big loss since most of that preinstalled stuff does
>nothing but suck up resources.
>
>
>"Barry Watzman" <> wrote in message
>news:...
>> Virtual PC virtualizes the entire PC; I/O ports, disk drives, etc., and
>> will run any OS (even non-MS, such as OS/2, Linux, etc.) under Windows.
>> But dual boot with "real" 95 or 98 is very easy to do, and Virtual PC
>> is somewhat expensive (about $100, I think), while dual-boot of
>> {DOS/95/98} and XP in two different partitions is "free" if you already
>> have the earlier OS.
>>
>>
>> SBFan2000 wrote:
>>
>> > believe shes running win95. I see alot of machines and they run
>together
>> > but I think shes still 95, I may have updated her to 98 at some point.
>> > Never heard of vmware or VirtualPC. These are programs that run other
>> > legacy programs under XP? Or are they OSes in their own right?
>> >
>> >
>> > "J. Clarke" <> wrote in message
>> > news:...
>> >
>> >>SBFan2000 wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>>FYI, Pentium IIs came on cards that used those slots you read about.
>> >>>>Hopefully, you won't have to work on anything that old, but wouldn't
>it
>> >>>>be nice to know more than the savvy gamer/overclocker-type when they
>> >>>>walk in your front door and start checking you out before having you
>> >>>>build their next extreme PC gaming machine? (Especially, if other
>> >>>>customers are around listening in to the entire conversation.)
>> >>>
>> >>>I have an aunt that refuses to upgrade her pentium 100Mhz. I was
>> >>>serviceing it for her for the last couple years but last year I told
>her
>> >>>that I would
>> >>>no longer work on it. She keeps buying stuff, like a new scanner, and
>> >>>then
>> >>>gets upset her computer can't handle it. She just e-mailed about 3
>> >
>> > months
>> >
>> >>>ago and says shes ready to update as long as the new computer runs all
>> >
>> > her
>> >
>> >>>old programs. Of course I told her that the old programs (library and
>> >>>family tree programs) likely wouldn't run on the new one and that she
>> >>>would have to check to see if her programs had updated versions that
>> >
>> > would
>> >
>> >>>run on
>> >>>XP. She hasn't e-mailed since!
>> >>
>> >>What OS is she running? Most of her old stuff should run fine under her
>> >
>> > old
>> >
>> >>operating system in a virtual machine under vmWare or Virtual PC. If
>you
>> >>haven't used either of these you should check them out. Simple solution
>> >
>> > to
>> >
>> >>the problem of legacy software.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>--John
>> >>to email, dial "usenet" and validate
>> >>(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>

Barry Watzman wrote:

> Well, first of all, I often install XP on FAT32 partitions, in fact I'd
> say most of the time, dual boot or not. And always if I'm running dual
> boot. When setting up Microsoft's dual boot, you install 98 first on C:
> and XP 2nd on D:. In that configuration D: can be NTFS, but it doesn't
> have to be. There is absolutely nothing wrong with installing XP on a
> FAT32 partition.

Except that you lose all semblance of file system security.

> [Of course, 98 can only "see" FAT32 partitions.]
>
> On a new PC, you would have to strip everything out and start over,
> because MS wants the older system installed first. However, some 3rd
> party boot managers are much more flexible in this regard.
>
>
>
> SBFan2000 wrote:
>
>> done dual booting before, matter of fact the computer I'm on right now
>> has
>> it. What I've never done or tried (without 3rd party software) would be
>> 98 (fat32) and XP (ntfs) assume if you do it that way that you can see
>> both volume under XP but when in 98 the XP volume won't be visible?
>>
>> Also, if she buys dell is there a way to make a second part. and install
>> 98
>> in it without losing all the software thats going to come preinstalled?
>> Not that that would be a big loss since most of that preinstalled stuff
>> does nothing but suck up resources.
>>
>>
>> "Barry Watzman" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>
>>>Virtual PC virtualizes the entire PC; I/O ports, disk drives, etc., and
>>>will run any OS (even non-MS, such as OS/2, Linux, etc.) under Windows.
>>> But dual boot with "real" 95 or 98 is very easy to do, and Virtual PC
>>>is somewhat expensive (about $100, I think), while dual-boot of
>>>{DOS/95/98} and XP in two different partitions is "free" if you already
>>>have the earlier OS.
>>>
>>>
>>>SBFan2000 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>believe shes running win95. I see alot of machines and they run
>>
>> together
>>
>>>>but I think shes still 95, I may have updated her to 98 at some point.
>>>>Never heard of vmware or VirtualPC. These are programs that run other
>>>>legacy programs under XP? Or are they OSes in their own right?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"J. Clarke" <> wrote in message
>>>>news:...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>SBFan2000 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>FYI, Pentium IIs came on cards that used those slots you read about.
>>>>>>>Hopefully, you won't have to work on anything that old, but wouldn't
>>
>> it
>>
>>>>>>>be nice to know more than the savvy gamer/overclocker-type when they
>>>>>>>walk in your front door and start checking you out before having you
>>>>>>>build their next extreme PC gaming machine? (Especially, if other
>>>>>>>customers are around listening in to the entire conversation.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have an aunt that refuses to upgrade her pentium 100Mhz. I was
>>>>>>serviceing it for her for the last couple years but last year I told
>>
>> her
>>
>>>>>>that I would
>>>>>>no longer work on it. She keeps buying stuff, like a new scanner, and
>>>>>>then
>>>>>>gets upset her computer can't handle it. She just e-mailed about 3
>>>>
>>>>months
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>ago and says shes ready to update as long as the new computer runs all
>>>>
>>>>her
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>old programs. Of course I told her that the old programs (library and
>>>>>>family tree programs) likely wouldn't run on the new one and that she
>>>>>>would have to check to see if her programs had updated versions that
>>>>
>>>>would
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>run on
>>>>>>XP. She hasn't e-mailed since!
>>>>>
>>>>>What OS is she running? Most of her old stuff should run fine under
>>>>>her
>>>>
>>>>old
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>operating system in a virtual machine under vmWare or Virtual PC. If
>>
>> you
>>
>>>>>haven't used either of these you should check them out. Simple
>>>>>solution
>>>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>the problem of legacy software.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>--John
>>>>>to email, dial "usenet" and validate
>>>>>(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>

--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Barry Watzman wrote:
> Which, for private residential users, is of absolutely zero consequence.
> In fact, I'd go so far as to say that in a single-user home residential
> situation, NTFS' security (which by the way you don't have even in XP
> Home edition) is actually undesireable.

Maybe not in this persons situation, there is also the partition and
file size limits that FAT32 has. I believe that FAT32 only allows file
sizes up to 2GB and partitions around 32GB.

>
>
> J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> Barry Watzman wrote:
>>
>>> There is absolutely nothing wrong with installing XP on a
>>> FAT32 partition.
>>
>>
>> Except that you lose all semblance of file system security.
>>