Engineering Certifications

Hello,

I'm trying to understand the various certifications for engineers.
This does not include software engineering - there are a ton of
websites for that! What I'm not able to find out are the various
certifications for engineers. Can someone help me with either
information or websites? I'm looking to also learn the number of
engineers who're certified and who took what certification exams! All
that good stuff !! Thank you!

Harsha Raghavan

On 2 Jun 2004 07:54:41 -0700, (Harsha
Raghavan) wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I'm trying to understand the various certifications for engineers.
>This does not include software engineering - there are a ton of
>websites for that! What I'm not able to find out are the various
>certifications for engineers. Can someone help me with either
>information or websites? I'm looking to also learn the number of
>engineers who're certified and who took what certification exams! All
>that good stuff !! Thank you!

Quick question. Do you mean real engineers, psuedo-engineers (who
arguably do perform *some* engineering tasks but are not certified by
state government as "engineers"), or the completely fake engineers who
make a joke out of the real term "engineer" by attaching it to people
who pass silly Prometric exams?

--Bernie

Bernie

The one and only true engineer has a PE (Professional Engineering)
registration.

Harsha Raghavan wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to understand the various certifications for engineers.
> This does not include software engineering - there are a ton of
> websites for that! What I'm not able to find out are the various
> certifications for engineers. Can someone help me with either
> information or websites? I'm looking to also learn the number of
> engineers who're certified and who took what certification exams! All
> that good stuff !! Thank you!

N. Funk

On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:43:50 GMT, "AT" <torgny@@direcway.com> wrote:

>
>"Bernie" <> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>> Quick question. Do you mean real engineers, psuedo-engineers (who
>> arguably do perform *some* engineering tasks but are not certified by
>> state government as "engineers"), or the completely fake engineers who
>> make a joke out of the real term "engineer" by attaching it to people
>> who pass silly Prometric exams?
>>
>> --Bernie
>
>Engineer is a Job Title! Meaning if you have the job as an engineer then you
>are an engineer! On the other hand you can have an education as an engineer
>but not have a job as an engineer. In this case I would not consider you as
>an engineer. Complicated? Could be, but that's life!
>
>The original question is too wide to even try to answer.
>
>AT
>

No, I don't think so. Once you get the title through a tough
educational circumstance, you have that title. I have a hard-earned
electronics engineering technology diploma on my wall, and worked for
many years in the field of electronics. I no longer work in that
field. I am still an electronics engineering technologist, in name,
because I earned the title through education and years in the field.
If the body who granted me the diploma put a time limit on it, then
that's fine, but they haven't. If an employer decides to base their
opinions on current employment, time frame, etc., that's fine too, but
they might get a surprise if they tested my knowledge base.

I also have a BA in music, and no longer perform due to
medical/physical problems. I still believe my BA is valid, and I
suspect the university that granted my degree does also. Again, the
yada-yada-yada clause applies.

Tom

Tom MacIntyre

"N. Funk" <> wrote in message
news:...
> The one and only true engineer has a PE (Professional Engineering)
> registration.

You mean once I get my MCSE I won't be a "true" engineer? What a jip.

Now I suppose you're going to tell me that once I get my CIW I won't really
be a "true" Master of the Web.

Hmmph.

> Harsha Raghavan wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm trying to understand the various certifications for engineers.
> > This does not include software engineering - there are a ton of
> > websites for that! What I'm not able to find out are the various
> > certifications for engineers. Can someone help me with either
> > information or websites? I'm looking to also learn the number of
> > engineers who're certified and who took what certification exams! All
> > that good stuff !! Thank you!
>

TechGeekPro

On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 17:29:00 -0500, N. Funk extemporised:

> The one and only true engineer has a PE (Professional Engineering)
> registration.
>

Go down to the union hall and tell those guys that drive trains they're
not 'real' engineers.

Humph!

JaR

On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:43:50 GMT, "AT" <torgny@@direcway.com> wrote:

>
>"Bernie" <> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>> Quick question. Do you mean real engineers, psuedo-engineers (who
>> arguably do perform *some* engineering tasks but are not certified by
>> state government as "engineers"), or the completely fake engineers who
>> make a joke out of the real term "engineer" by attaching it to people
>> who pass silly Prometric exams?
>>
>> --Bernie
>
>Engineer is a Job Title! Meaning if you have the job as an engineer then you
>are an engineer!

Correction. Today it is a job title and a professional degree which
also has governmental controls (e.g. state board certification etc.).
It used to only be the latter. The title engineer has been so
cheapened by cheesy jobs and lame vendor certifications that adopted
that title to grant an automatic (and cheaply bought I might add)
elevation in status.

So ten years from now when "engineer" no longer carries even the
pitiful status it retains has today, are we going work the word
"doctor" into our titles to get a further cheaply bought elevation?
I'm a "network doctor" (not an MD).... scratch that, I'm a "senior
network doctor." Oops now that everyone is calling themselves a
senior network doctor, I am now a "level three senior network doctor."

Maybe after that we will start calling ourselves scientists or lawyers
etc.

See how ridiculous that is? It is a slippery slope when you start
cheapening titles that used to mean something.

>On the other hand you can have an education as an engineer
>but not have a job as an engineer. In this case I would not consider you as
>an engineer.

But what does it matter what you consider someone if the state board
considers someone a civil engineer, electrical engineer, etc?

>Complicated? Could be, but that's life!
>
>The original question is too wide to even try to answer.

Yes it is! That was partly my point.

--Bernie

Bernie

"Bernie" <> wrote in message
news...
> On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:43:50 GMT, "AT" <torgny@@direcway.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Bernie" <> wrote in message
> >news:.. .
> >> Quick question. Do you mean real engineers, psuedo-engineers (who
> >> arguably do perform *some* engineering tasks but are not certified by
> >> state government as "engineers"), or the completely fake engineers who
> >> make a joke out of the real term "engineer" by attaching it to people
> >> who pass silly Prometric exams?
> >>
> >> --Bernie
> >
> >Engineer is a Job Title! Meaning if you have the job as an engineer then
you
> >are an engineer!
>
> Correction. Today it is a job title and a professional degree which
> also has governmental controls (e.g. state board certification etc.).
> It used to only be the latter. The title engineer has been so
> cheapened by cheesy jobs and lame vendor certifications that adopted
> that title to grant an automatic (and cheaply bought I might add)
> elevation in status.
>
> So ten years from now when "engineer" no longer carries even the
> pitiful status it retains has today, are we going work the word
> "doctor" into our titles to get a further cheaply bought elevation?
> I'm a "network doctor" (not an MD).... scratch that, I'm a "senior
> network doctor." Oops now that everyone is calling themselves a
> senior network doctor, I am now a "level three senior network doctor."
>
> Maybe after that we will start calling ourselves scientists or lawyers
> etc.
>
> See how ridiculous that is? It is a slippery slope when you start
> cheapening titles that used to mean something.
>
> >On the other hand you can have an education as an engineer
> >but not have a job as an engineer. In this case I would not consider you
as
> >an engineer.
>
> But what does it matter what you consider someone if the state board
> considers someone a civil engineer, electrical engineer, etc?
>
> >Complicated? Could be, but that's life!
> >
> >The original question is too wide to even try to answer.
>
> Yes it is! That was partly my point.
>
> --Bernie



The clerk at the record shop will be the

Rock n Roll Doctor

John Agosta

On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 20:32:52 -0500, Bernie <> wrote:

>On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:43:50 GMT, "AT" <torgny@@direcway.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bernie" <> wrote in message
>>news:. ..
>>> Quick question. Do you mean real engineers, psuedo-engineers (who
>>> arguably do perform *some* engineering tasks but are not certified by
>>> state government as "engineers"), or the completely fake engineers who
>>> make a joke out of the real term "engineer" by attaching it to people
>>> who pass silly Prometric exams?
>>>
>>> --Bernie
>>
>>Engineer is a Job Title! Meaning if you have the job as an engineer then you
>>are an engineer!
>
>Correction. Today it is a job title and a professional degree which
>also has governmental controls (e.g. state board certification etc.).
>It used to only be the latter. The title engineer has been so
>cheapened by cheesy jobs and lame vendor certifications that adopted
>that title to grant an automatic (and cheaply bought I might add)
>elevation in status.

I can add a spin to this. Here in Canada, when a person wants to
acquire their Permanent Resident card, he/she usually needs a
guarantor. One classification of people who can be a guarantor is a
Professional Engineer. Railway engineers and MCSE's don't fill the
bill. That is one distinction to add to this discussion.

Tom

>
>So ten years from now when "engineer" no longer carries even the
>pitiful status it retains has today, are we going work the word
>"doctor" into our titles to get a further cheaply bought elevation?
>I'm a "network doctor" (not an MD).... scratch that, I'm a "senior
>network doctor." Oops now that everyone is calling themselves a
>senior network doctor, I am now a "level three senior network doctor."
>
>Maybe after that we will start calling ourselves scientists or lawyers
>etc.
>
>See how ridiculous that is? It is a slippery slope when you start
>cheapening titles that used to mean something.
>
>>On the other hand you can have an education as an engineer
>>but not have a job as an engineer. In this case I would not consider you as
>>an engineer.
>
>But what does it matter what you consider someone if the state board
>considers someone a civil engineer, electrical engineer, etc?
>
>>Complicated? Could be, but that's life!
>>
>>The original question is too wide to even try to answer.
>
>Yes it is! That was partly my point.
>
>--Bernie

Tom MacIntyre

On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:33:52 -0400, "TechGeekPro"
<%username%@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"N. Funk" <> wrote in message
>news:...
>> The one and only true engineer has a PE (Professional Engineering)
>> registration.
>
>You mean once I get my MCSE I won't be a "true" engineer? What a jip.
>
>Now I suppose you're going to tell me that once I get my CIW I won't really
>be a "true" Master of the Web.
>
>Hmmph.

A+ doesn't change your blood type either...I guess I am a double-A+,
though.

Tom

>
>> Harsha Raghavan wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I'm trying to understand the various certifications for engineers.
>> > This does not include software engineering - there are a ton of
>> > websites for that! What I'm not able to find out are the various
>> > certifications for engineers. Can someone help me with either
>> > information or websites? I'm looking to also learn the number of
>> > engineers who're certified and who took what certification exams! All
>> > that good stuff !! Thank you!
>>
>

Tom MacIntyre