Re: Why are Symantec/Norton products such pieces of sh*t?

John, are you on dial up? I use the cable broadband and really don't see
any slow down. I suppose that my NAV 2000 may not have all the functionality
of 2004, I suppose that could make a difference.
What do you mean by "activate" I am not trying to be a smart a$$, I really
do not follow......
I don't really have a preference, I used to use Mcafee, I currently use NAV,
but I am also looking at AVG, and Trend.

Allen

"John" <> wrote in message
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> If I can add my two-cents to the discussion here...I have NAV 2004
> and I'm finding that it is slowing my system down, especially when
> it comes to downloading e-mail and opening Office files. Also, you
> have to "activate" it. Both of these do not make me a happy customer
> and I would consider Trend or McAfee after my sub runs out for this.
>
> J.
>
> "techshare" <> wrote in message
> news:OrWdnYY_aJNQb_GiU-...
> > Especially with the latest SWEN worm ...
> >
> > In the past two years I've made more money fixing problems,
> removing, or (in
> > many cases) replacing POS Norton "anti-virus" and "Internet
> Security" with
> > competing products like Mcafee Scan. I have seen Symantec products
> cause SO
> > many different problems ... on top of that ... easy removal is
> nearly
> > impossible (just take a look at RNIS - what a bunch of sh*t!). I
> refuse to
> > sell the Symantec products as I'd surely lose money big time ....
> but lately
> > it's actually getting tough to make money on removing the product
> or
> > (rarely) "fixing" installations. The product seems to be like a
> worm in and
> > of itself. What gives, and what's the best alternative? I've had
> good luck
> > with Mcafee for a virus scanner. After I install it, I rarely
> receive
> > callbacks with any problems.
> >
> >
>
>

Allen Howell

I had no idea 2004 was like that. I do not have a subscription but I pick up
the free updates.
I use free definitions, because like you I have several computers(4) going
all the time, and I do not wish to pay for a network subscription. I update
all pc's about once a week and everything has been fine for about a year and
a half.
I was warned to put some kind of AV on all pc's before networking.....I
forgot one pc, it crashed in less than 72 hrs. Lesson learned!
OH, thanks for the warning, I'll steer clear of NAV 2004

Allen

"John" <> wrote in message
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> I used NAV 2000 and it worked like a charm. It quickly scanned e-mails
> and Office docs with no noticeable delay at all. Use 2004, on the other
> hand, and you'll see a noticeable delay. Would an end user notice? Maybe
> not, depending on what they are used to. It doesn't work with the AOL
> e-mail client, either, but it does scan stuff coming via some instant
> message clients.
>
> (In answer to your question on connections, I use a cable modem running
> through a router and I have two computers hooked up to it and both
> access the Internet at the same time.)
>
> As for activation, yep, that beloved "feature" of Windows XP and Office
> XP has been added to Norton products starting with the 2004 editions. If
> you don't activate the product within 15 days of installing it, it dies!
> It will not scan a darn thing nor can you get virus updates until you
> active it. If you try to reinstall it after that 15 days, it finds
> either a file or a registry setting on your machine (probably a reg
> setting, but I haven't figured that one out yet) and tells you that,
> despite your efforts, time is up for you.
>
> J.
>
> Allen Howell wrote:
> > John, are you on dial up? I use the cable broadband and really don't
see
> > any slow down. I suppose that my NAV 2000 may not have all the
functionality
> > of 2004, I suppose that could make a difference.
> > What do you mean by "activate" I am not trying to be a smart a$$, I
really
> > do not follow......
> > I don't really have a preference, I used to use Mcafee, I currently use
NAV,
> > but I am also looking at AVG, and Trend.
> >
> > Allen
>

Allen Howell

NAV 2003 works like a charm for me.


Gary

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:15:33 GMT, John <> wrote:

>I used NAV 2000 and it worked like a charm. It quickly scanned e-mails
>and Office docs with no noticeable delay at all. Use 2004, on the other
>hand, and you'll see a noticeable delay. Would an end user notice? Maybe
>not, depending on what they are used to. It doesn't work with the AOL
>e-mail client, either, but it does scan stuff coming via some instant
>message clients.
>

havinfun69nospam@yahoo.com

My understanding is that the activation schemem for all Symantic 2004
products is VERY similar to the Microsoft scheme for Windows XP, which
has worked well, generally.

I also understand that you get 5 activations, so you can either put it
on 5 machines (once each, never making a "MAJOR" change to any of them)
or you can put it on one machine and make "MAJOR" changes to that
machine 5 times (over a period of time that might span several years).
After that, you have to buy a new copy, that product key is dead forever.

Anyway, that's what I've heard.



John wrote:

> I used NAV 2000 and it worked like a charm. It quickly scanned e-mails
> and Office docs with no noticeable delay at all. Use 2004, on the other
> hand, and you'll see a noticeable delay. Would an end user notice? Maybe
> not, depending on what they are used to. It doesn't work with the AOL
> e-mail client, either, but it does scan stuff coming via some instant
> message clients.
>
> (In answer to your question on connections, I use a cable modem running
> through a router and I have two computers hooked up to it and both
> access the Internet at the same time.)
>
> As for activation, yep, that beloved "feature" of Windows XP and Office
> XP has been added to Norton products starting with the 2004 editions. If
> you don't activate the product within 15 days of installing it, it dies!
> It will not scan a darn thing nor can you get virus updates until you
> active it. If you try to reinstall it after that 15 days, it finds
> either a file or a registry setting on your machine (probably a reg
> setting, but I haven't figured that one out yet) and tells you that,
> despite your efforts, time is up for you.
>
> J.
>
> Allen Howell wrote:
>
>> John, are you on dial up? I use the cable broadband and really don't see
>> any slow down. I suppose that my NAV 2000 may not have all the
>> functionality
>> of 2004, I suppose that could make a difference.
>> What do you mean by "activate" I am not trying to be a smart a$$, I
>> really
>> do not follow......
>> I don't really have a preference, I used to use Mcafee, I currently
>> use NAV,
>> but I am also looking at AVG, and Trend.
>>
>> Allen
>
>

Barry Watzman

Hell, useless for me. I make a couple major changes a month with a couple
of my machines - guess I will stick to 03


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