Re: Why are Symantec/Norton products such pieces of sh*t?

I don't know what your problem is, but in my opinion the Symantec
products are fine.

The default installation of SystemWorks and Norton Utilities used to be
too invasive and cause as many problems as it solved, if you didn't
configure it to not run so much stuff in the background. But about 3
years ago they got rid of "Crashguard" and they changed their default
install so that very little stuff ran automatically in the background,
and ever since then the default install has been fine.

Note, I don't use "Personal Firewall" or "Internet Security", just
Systemworks (e.g. just Anti-Virus). I don't recommend ANY software
"firewall" products, they all seem to cause a lot of problems. Just get
behind a hardware router (even if you are not sharing the internet
connection) and use AntiVirus and you will be fine.


techshare wrote:

> Especially with the latest SWEN worm ...
>
> In the past two years I've made more money fixing problems, removing, or (in
> many cases) replacing POS Norton "anti-virus" and "Internet Security" with
> competing products like Mcafee Scan. I have seen Symantec products cause SO
> many different problems ... on top of that ... easy removal is nearly
> impossible (just take a look at RNIS - what a bunch of sh*t!). I refuse to
> sell the Symantec products as I'd surely lose money big time .... but lately
> it's actually getting tough to make money on removing the product or
> (rarely) "fixing" installations. The product seems to be like a worm in and
> of itself. What gives, and what's the best alternative? I've had good luck
> with Mcafee for a virus scanner. After I install it, I rarely receive
> callbacks with any problems.
>
>

Barry Watzman

I am intrigued that you found a virus in the McAfee excecutable. Are you
sure it was a virus, or was the scanner you use detecting it as it had
similar properties to a virus. I have seen this with a couple different AV
progs and also with boot loaders like System Commander or Partition Magic.


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RussS

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:56:23 -0400, "Glenn \(SBfan2000\)"
<> wrote:

>I use to like either Norton or Mcafee until I found a virus infecting the
>executable of Mcafee! I have refused to use it since then! That was about
>4-5 years ago and have used Norton (Systemworks) since then and have sold
>many, many copies to customers and I have yet to see me or a customer get a
>virus while running it! I have only got one virus since the switch to
>nortons and that was while setting up w2k on my second partition and getting
>my e-mail before installing the software! Norton is tops in my book!

Almost certainly what you found was the signature of a virus, encoded
in the McAfee executable so that McAfee could use it in scanning.

McAfee did this once or twice a few years ago, and these "false
positives" gave a lot of anxious moments. They soon learned their
lesson.

Gordon Findlay