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Win2k MCSA module requitements - no 70-216?

 
 
Sean McCourt
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      06-10-2004

Hi

I completed the 70-210 & 70-215 modules over a year ago and failed the
70-216 exam.

I recently looked at the Microsoft website and it looks like they have
changed the modules in the past year for the Win2k MCSA.
It is my understanding that to become an Win2k MCSA now I have to do
the following

1) 70-210 - completed
2) 70-215 - completed
3) 70-218 - not done (plan on doing this next)
4) 70-028 or 70-081 or 70-086 or 70-088 or 70-214 or 70-216

This means that I don't HAVE to do the 70-216 (hard exam) to complete
my MCSA? I could sit one of the easier modules?

Can someone please confirm this or correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks


 
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TechGeekPro
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      06-10-2004
"Sean McCourt" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> Hi
>
> I completed the 70-210 & 70-215 modules over a year ago and failed the
> 70-216 exam.
>
> I recently looked at the Microsoft website and it looks like they have
> changed the modules in the past year for the Win2k MCSA.
> It is my understanding that to become an Win2k MCSA now I have to do
> the following
>
> 1) 70-210 - completed
> 2) 70-215 - completed
> 3) 70-218 - not done (plan on doing this next)
> 4) 70-028 or 70-081 or 70-086 or 70-088 or 70-214 or 70-216
>
> This means that I don't HAVE to do the 70-216 (hard exam) to complete
> my MCSA? I could sit one of the easier modules?
>
> Can someone please confirm this or correct me if I am wrong.
>
> Thanks
>


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Rick
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      06-11-2004
That is so lame, Microsoft should require the 70-216. As usual MS has now
devalued my certification not that it was worth much now anyway. I am glad I
went on and finished my MCSE so I can get a job making 30,000 doing desktop
support.

Rick

"TechGeekPro" <%username%@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:LcmdnZZGns1AYVrdRVn-...
> "Sean McCourt" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I completed the 70-210 & 70-215 modules over a year ago and failed the
> > 70-216 exam.
> >
> > I recently looked at the Microsoft website and it looks like they have
> > changed the modules in the past year for the Win2k MCSA.
> > It is my understanding that to become an Win2k MCSA now I have to do
> > the following
> >
> > 1) 70-210 - completed
> > 2) 70-215 - completed
> > 3) 70-218 - not done (plan on doing this next)
> > 4) 70-028 or 70-081 or 70-086 or 70-088 or 70-214 or 70-216
> >
> > This means that I don't HAVE to do the 70-216 (hard exam) to complete
> > my MCSA? I could sit one of the easier modules?
> >
> > Can someone please confirm this or correct me if I am wrong.
> >
> > Thanks
> >

>
> Or A+ and Net+
>
>



 
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SJ
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      06-13-2004
That's one way to look at it, but there are others.

While a MCSE (Engineer) will be involved in much of the heavy lifting
of a network requiring them to setup DNS, DHCP, WINS and more, a MCSA
(Administrator)is not necessarily the one involved in setting up these
services within a network.

A MCSA certainly needs to know what the networking services are doing,
but the 216 test is much deeper than just what the services are doing.
You need to understand the underlying details.

The 216 test is a good stepping stone for a MCSA on the way to
becoming a MCSE, but certainly not required.

More, I really don't think this is a recent change. Alternative
electives have been available for as long as the MCSA has been around.

Congratulations on taking the next step and getting your MCSE. If
you're not going anywhere in the job you're at, you might consider
moving out. Many, many times, hungry IT workers start off in low end
jobs, learn as much as they can by doing the best they can, but none
of that is appreciated by the company they're at. No problem, it's a
great proving ground. Now your resume shows certification and
experience and you become much more valuable to another company.

Of course, all of that is dependent on doing well in the entry level
job. If someone can't do the entry level job well, they won't go far
up the IT ladder.
I like what St. Francis De Sales once said - Bloom where you're
planted. Even if that's an entry level job.

sj
MCT, MCSA, MCSE...
www.certquest.net

"Rick" <> wrote in message news:<emjpW#>...
> That is so lame, Microsoft should require the 70-216. As usual MS has now
> devalued my certification not that it was worth much now anyway. I am glad I
> went on and finished my MCSE so I can get a job making 30,000 doing desktop
> support.
>
> Rick
>
> "TechGeekPro" <%username%@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:LcmdnZZGns1AYVrdRVn-...
> > "Sean McCourt" <> wrote in message
> > news:...
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I completed the 70-210 & 70-215 modules over a year ago and failed the
> > > 70-216 exam.
> > >
> > > I recently looked at the Microsoft website and it looks like they have
> > > changed the modules in the past year for the Win2k MCSA.
> > > It is my understanding that to become an Win2k MCSA now I have to do
> > > the following
> > >
> > > 1) 70-210 - completed
> > > 2) 70-215 - completed
> > > 3) 70-218 - not done (plan on doing this next)
> > > 4) 70-028 or 70-081 or 70-086 or 70-088 or 70-214 or 70-216
> > >
> > > This means that I don't HAVE to do the 70-216 (hard exam) to complete
> > > my MCSA? I could sit one of the easier modules?
> > >
> > > Can someone please confirm this or correct me if I am wrong.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >

> >
> > Or A+ and Net+
> >
> >

 
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TechGeekPro
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      06-14-2004
"SJ" <> wrote in message
news: om...
> That's one way to look at it, but there are others.
>
> While a MCSE (Engineer) will be involved in much of the heavy lifting
> of a network requiring them to setup DNS, DHCP, WINS and more, a MCSA
> (Administrator)is not necessarily the one involved in setting up these
> services within a network.
>
> A MCSA certainly needs to know what the networking services are doing,
> but the 216 test is much deeper than just what the services are doing.
> You need to understand the underlying details.
>
> The 216 test is a good stepping stone for a MCSA on the way to
> becoming a MCSE, but certainly not required.
>
> More, I really don't think this is a recent change. Alternative
> electives have been available for as long as the MCSA has been around.
>
> Congratulations on taking the next step and getting your MCSE. If
> you're not going anywhere in the job you're at, you might consider
> moving out. Many, many times, hungry IT workers start off in low end
> jobs, learn as much as they can by doing the best they can, but none
> of that is appreciated by the company they're at. No problem, it's a
> great proving ground. Now your resume shows certification and
> experience and you become much more valuable to another company.
>
> Of course, all of that is dependent on doing well in the entry level
> job. If someone can't do the entry level job well, they won't go far
> up the IT ladder.
> I like what St. Francis De Sales once said - Bloom where you're
> planted. Even if that's an entry level job.


Good advice, thanks.

> sj
> MCT, MCSA, MCSE...
> www.certquest.net
>
> "Rick" <> wrote in message

news:<emjpW#>...
> > That is so lame, Microsoft should require the 70-216. As usual MS has

now
> > devalued my certification not that it was worth much now anyway. I am

glad I
> > went on and finished my MCSE so I can get a job making 30,000 doing

desktop
> > support.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > "TechGeekPro" <%username%@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:LcmdnZZGns1AYVrdRVn-...
> > > "Sean McCourt" <> wrote in message
> > > news:...
> > > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > I completed the 70-210 & 70-215 modules over a year ago and failed

the
> > > > 70-216 exam.
> > > >
> > > > I recently looked at the Microsoft website and it looks like they

have
> > > > changed the modules in the past year for the Win2k MCSA.
> > > > It is my understanding that to become an Win2k MCSA now I have to do
> > > > the following
> > > >
> > > > 1) 70-210 - completed
> > > > 2) 70-215 - completed
> > > > 3) 70-218 - not done (plan on doing this next)
> > > > 4) 70-028 or 70-081 or 70-086 or 70-088 or 70-214 or 70-216
> > > >
> > > > This means that I don't HAVE to do the 70-216 (hard exam) to

complete
> > > > my MCSA? I could sit one of the easier modules?
> > > >
> > > > Can someone please confirm this or correct me if I am wrong.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > >
> > > Or A+ and Net+
> > >
> > >



 
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jtyrhe
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      06-22-2004
Excellent points, and while employed and gaining
experience it seems easier to find a better job. Everyone
wants someone who is already taken.

Jtyhre


>-----Original Message-----
>"SJ" <> wrote in message
>news:. com...
>> That's one way to look at it, but there are others.
>>
>> While a MCSE (Engineer) will be involved in much of the

heavy lifting
>> of a network requiring them to setup DNS, DHCP, WINS

and more, a MCSA
>> (Administrator)is not necessarily the one involved in

setting up these
>> services within a network.
>>
>> A MCSA certainly needs to know what the networking

services are doing,
>> but the 216 test is much deeper than just what the

services are doing.
>> You need to understand the underlying details.
>>
>> The 216 test is a good stepping stone for a MCSA on the

way to
>> becoming a MCSE, but certainly not required.
>>
>> More, I really don't think this is a recent change.

Alternative
>> electives have been available for as long as the MCSA

has been around.
>>
>> Congratulations on taking the next step and getting

your MCSE. If
>> you're not going anywhere in the job you're at, you

might consider
>> moving out. Many, many times, hungry IT workers start

off in low end
>> jobs, learn as much as they can by doing the best they

can, but none
>> of that is appreciated by the company they're at. No

problem, it's a
>> great proving ground. Now your resume shows

certification and
>> experience and you become much more valuable to another

company.
>>
>> Of course, all of that is dependent on doing well in

the entry level
>> job. If someone can't do the entry level job well,

they won't go far
>> up the IT ladder.
>> I like what St. Francis De Sales once said - Bloom

where you're
>> planted. Even if that's an entry level job.

>
>Good advice, thanks.
>
>> sj
>> MCT, MCSA, MCSE...
>> www.certquest.net
>>
>> "Rick" <> wrote in message

>news:<emjpW#>...
>> > That is so lame, Microsoft should require the 70-216.

As usual MS has
>now
>> > devalued my certification not that it was worth much

now anyway. I am
>glad I
>> > went on and finished my MCSE so I can get a job

making 30,000 doing
>desktop
>> > support.
>> >
>> > Rick
>> >
>> > "TechGeekPro" <%username%@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:LcmdnZZGns1AYVrdRVn-...
>> > > "Sean McCourt" <> wrote in message
>> > > news:...
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi
>> > > >
>> > > > I completed the 70-210 & 70-215 modules over a

year ago and failed
>the
>> > > > 70-216 exam.
>> > > >
>> > > > I recently looked at the Microsoft website and it

looks like they
>have
>> > > > changed the modules in the past year for the

Win2k MCSA.
>> > > > It is my understanding that to become an Win2k

MCSA now I have to do
>> > > > the following
>> > > >
>> > > > 1) 70-210 - completed
>> > > > 2) 70-215 - completed
>> > > > 3) 70-218 - not done (plan on doing this next)
>> > > > 4) 70-028 or 70-081 or 70-086 or 70-088 or 70-214

or 70-216
>> > > >
>> > > > This means that I don't HAVE to do the 70-216

(hard exam) to
>complete
>> > > > my MCSA? I could sit one of the easier modules?
>> > > >
>> > > > Can someone please confirm this or correct me if

I am wrong.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Or A+ and Net+
>> > >
>> > >

>
>
>.
>

 
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Mike Harvey
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      06-23-2004
Yes, but the 216 test will be required to upgrade from MCSA to MCSE
for Windows 2000, so, you'll have to do it sooner or latter to move
beyond MCSA level.

Mike


On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:33:51 +1000, Sean McCourt <>
wrote:

>
>Hi
>
>I completed the 70-210 & 70-215 modules over a year ago and failed the
>70-216 exam.
>
>I recently looked at the Microsoft website and it looks like they have
>changed the modules in the past year for the Win2k MCSA.
>It is my understanding that to become an Win2k MCSA now I have to do
>the following
>
>1) 70-210 - completed
>2) 70-215 - completed
>3) 70-218 - not done (plan on doing this next)
>4) 70-028 or 70-081 or 70-086 or 70-088 or 70-214 or 70-216
>
>This means that I don't HAVE to do the 70-216 (hard exam) to complete
>my MCSA? I could sit one of the easier modules?
>
>Can someone please confirm this or correct me if I am wrong.
>
>Thanks
>


 
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