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Hi all, i was just curious if this would be right for me..im 20 and have been
taking computer classes all the way thru high school, and i have NCEA
Computing level 2 & 3, and MOS certificates (all but outlook & project),
would i be able to do MCDST or would it not be right for me? and if not does
anyone have any sugestions to what might be..i also havent had a job in
computers..
Thanks - Lisa

"lisa20" <> wrote in message
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> Hi all, i was just curious if this would be right for me..im 20 and have been
> taking computer classes all the way thru high school, and i have NCEA
> Computing level 2 & 3, and MOS certificates (all but outlook & project),
> would i be able to do MCDST or would it not be right for me? and if not does
> anyone have any sugestions to what might be..i also havent had a job in
> computers..
> Thanks - Lisa

Certifications are for those with proven experience in the skill set
they wish to certify on. Without having this "necessary" experience, and
achieving the MCDST, or any certification for that matter, will do a
disservice to those experienced individuals holding the certification
and the certification programs themselves. I understand this brings up
the chicken and the egg dilemma, but remember a circle has no beginning.
Meaning if you lack experience, it is up to you to get experience --
somehow.

Furthermore, except for the information you provided, it is difficult
for us to provide a intelligent response to your inquire. Do you enjoy
diagnosing and troubleshooting Windows XP Profession in a
workgroup/domain environment? In other words, what do you want to do
when you grow up?
--
Michael D. Alligood,
MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST
The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/
CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com

im guessing by using grow up, you quite older than me? im not sure what i
want to do as a career. im good with Microsoft Office programs, and know
things about computers. theres a place where you can study MCDST and it says
you dont need any experience just some knowledge of certain things, thats why
i thought i would find out a bit more about it first, but if you need so much
experience to take it then alot of people might not have it..to some people
its not so much the case do you like doing it, it might just be what your
good at

"Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]" wrote:

> "lisa20" <> wrote in message
> news:B2C38AE8-CEA8-44FC-8833-:
>
> > Hi all, i was just curious if this would be right for me..im 20 and have been
> > taking computer classes all the way thru high school, and i have NCEA
> > Computing level 2 & 3, and MOS certificates (all but outlook & project),
> > would i be able to do MCDST or would it not be right for me? and if not does
> > anyone have any sugestions to what might be..i also havent had a job in
> > computers..
> > Thanks - Lisa
>
> Certifications are for those with proven experience in the skill set
> they wish to certify on. Without having this "necessary" experience, and
> achieving the MCDST, or any certification for that matter, will do a
> disservice to those experienced individuals holding the certification
> and the certification programs themselves. I understand this brings up
> the chicken and the egg dilemma, but remember a circle has no beginning.
> Meaning if you lack experience, it is up to you to get experience --
> somehow.
>
> Furthermore, except for the information you provided, it is difficult
> for us to provide a intelligent response to your inquire. Do you enjoy
> diagnosing and troubleshooting Windows XP Profession in a
> workgroup/domain environment? In other words, what do you want to do
> when you grow up?
> --
> Michael D. Alligood,
> MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST
> The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/
> CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com
>
>
>

i have a friend studying MSCE and MSCA who has no work experience but he has
taken courses for things that might be in it..as i said in the other post i
dont know what i want to do and its hard not knowing..thank you for replying
tho : )

"Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]" wrote:

> "lisa20" <> wrote in message
> news:B2C38AE8-CEA8-44FC-8833-:
>
> > Hi all, i was just curious if this would be right for me..im 20 and have been
> > taking computer classes all the way thru high school, and i have NCEA
> > Computing level 2 & 3, and MOS certificates (all but outlook & project),
> > would i be able to do MCDST or would it not be right for me? and if not does
> > anyone have any sugestions to what might be..i also havent had a job in
> > computers..
> > Thanks - Lisa
>
> Certifications are for those with proven experience in the skill set
> they wish to certify on. Without having this "necessary" experience, and
> achieving the MCDST, or any certification for that matter, will do a
> disservice to those experienced individuals holding the certification
> and the certification programs themselves. I understand this brings up
> the chicken and the egg dilemma, but remember a circle has no beginning.
> Meaning if you lack experience, it is up to you to get experience --
> somehow.
>
> Furthermore, except for the information you provided, it is difficult
> for us to provide a intelligent response to your inquire. Do you enjoy
> diagnosing and troubleshooting Windows XP Profession in a
> workgroup/domain environment? In other words, what do you want to do
> when you grow up?
> --
> Michael D. Alligood,
> MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST
> The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/
> CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com
>
>
>

"lisa20" <> wrote in message
news:C4660371-B110-46CF-A30B-:

> i have a friend studying MSCE and MSCA who has no work experience but he has
> taken courses for things that might be in it..as i said in the other post i
> dont know what i want to do and its hard not knowing..thank you for replying
> tho : )
>
> "Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]" wrote:
>
I am responding to both your responses in this post. First, the "what do
you want to be when you grow up" comment was a euphemism. However, I am
11 years older than you, but I digress. Point being, is this the field
you want to pursue? Have you done research on this certification on the
Microsoft Learning site?

There are tons of places that one can get certified. The most notable
are Computer Learning Centers such as Fast Train or New Horizon to name
a couple. However a majority of these "learning institutes" are only
interested in receiving your money -- and lots of it. I am not saying
that these centers have nothing to offer, but you are normally receiving
information from an Account Executive who knows nothing more than the
best ways to "offer" these courses to you to become certified.

You see, the true crux of the certification program is that anyone can
take the exams and become certified without experience. Ask yourself
this: Would you want a doctor inexperienced in a certain field of
medicine tinkering around with your illness? This example can be used in
any profession -- including the I.T. field. Companies want to know that
when their hire you that you are experienced in the areas they need you
to fill. The issue with this is HR departments reflect their hiring
procedures on certifications. "If you hold an MCSE, are self sufficient,
and a hard worker, please fax your resume to 555-555-5555. Notice that
experience was never mentioned. This is, unfortunately, not uncommon. It
is up to us to certify the correct way. Experience leads to
certifications, not vice versa. I hope this helps you and I wish you
luck in deciding what you wish to do... when you grow up!

--
Michael D. Alligood,
MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST
The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/
CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com

yea i get what you mean by institutes wanting the money. yes i looked up info
on MCDST and i did a sample test thing aswell, altho it only gave 12
questions for 271 & 272..i havnt heard of thos 2 places you can learn it as i
live in NZ and only know of one..i also get what you mean about an
inexperience doctor, but also studying to be a doctor you learn what to do
and have experience while studying and would become a intern or however it
works..i thought the reason why you take a course and study was to learn how
to do things and get more knowledge to what you already know..i understand
the experience to certification, but over here its hard to get experience as
in job wise without certification..you kinda have to get certification and
hope there is someone kind enough out there to take you on to get experience
enough to get something better..but yes i will think hard about what i want
to do, thanks again )

"Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]" wrote:

> "lisa20" <> wrote in message
> news:C4660371-B110-46CF-A30B-:
>
> > i have a friend studying MSCE and MSCA who has no work experience but he has
> > taken courses for things that might be in it..as i said in the other post i
> > dont know what i want to do and its hard not knowing..thank you for replying
> > tho : )
> >
> > "Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]" wrote:
> >
> I am responding to both your responses in this post. First, the "what do
> you want to be when you grow up" comment was a euphemism. However, I am
> 11 years older than you, but I digress. Point being, is this the field
> you want to pursue? Have you done research on this certification on the
> Microsoft Learning site?
>
> There are tons of places that one can get certified. The most notable
> are Computer Learning Centers such as Fast Train or New Horizon to name
> a couple. However a majority of these "learning institutes" are only
> interested in receiving your money -- and lots of it. I am not saying
> that these centers have nothing to offer, but you are normally receiving
> information from an Account Executive who knows nothing more than the
> best ways to "offer" these courses to you to become certified.
>
> You see, the true crux of the certification program is that anyone can
> take the exams and become certified without experience. Ask yourself
> this: Would you want a doctor inexperienced in a certain field of
> medicine tinkering around with your illness? This example can be used in
> any profession -- including the I.T. field. Companies want to know that
> when their hire you that you are experienced in the areas they need you
> to fill. The issue with this is HR departments reflect their hiring
> procedures on certifications. "If you hold an MCSE, are self sufficient,
> and a hard worker, please fax your resume to 555-555-5555. Notice that
> experience was never mentioned. This is, unfortunately, not uncommon. It
> is up to us to certify the correct way. Experience leads to
> certifications, not vice versa. I hope this helps you and I wish you
> luck in deciding what you wish to do... when you grow up!
>
> --
> Michael D. Alligood,
> MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST
> The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/
> CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com
>
>
>

"unspeakable" <> wrote in message
news: ...
>I said this many times before and I will say it again. If you have to study
>for the MCDST exams, you should be looking for another career path. Those
>are the most basic tests, testing the most basic skills.
>
>
>
Well, aren't you just special!

You seem to think that audit policies, lock out policies, group policies,
understanding what tracert gives you vrs ping, understanding why home
edition can't join a domain, or for that matter, what a domain is, what
benefits there are to the MLUI, what an IME is, deploying XP to 2000
desktops using RIS, how NTFS permissions differ from share permissions, what
'offline files' are, why hardware profiles are important, RAID, how tcp/ip
works, and just what all that stuff in performance monitor means is all just
the most basic skills that everyone who has ever turned on an XP box
intuitively knows.

I guess my thinking is way off base because I would have bet everything I
own on the fact that 99.3% of all XP users out there could not have even
formed that little rant of mine, let alone have even heard of or have even a
basic knowledge of those items.

But, that's just me. Of course, I have respect for those who have earned
MCDST or any other certification for that matter.

John R

John:

Yes, this person is "special", but we can't speak of that "specialness" on
this post, if you know what I mean. Okay, who died and appointed this guy
GOD of the MCDST?

Anybody else like to comment on this super wonderful person's comments? I
can't talk right now, because I'm too enraged to jump over the fence
and......recomposure...breath slowly... Sorry, I just can't go there without
thinking that someone needs to show this guy the door.

--
Motochick


"John R" wrote:

>
> "unspeakable" <> wrote in message
> news: ...
> >I said this many times before and I will say it again. If you have to study
> >for the MCDST exams, you should be looking for another career path. Those
> >are the most basic tests, testing the most basic skills.
> >
> >
> >
> Well, aren't you just special!
>
> You seem to think that audit policies, lock out policies, group policies,
> understanding what tracert gives you vrs ping, understanding why home
> edition can't join a domain, or for that matter, what a domain is, what
> benefits there are to the MLUI, what an IME is, deploying XP to 2000
> desktops using RIS, how NTFS permissions differ from share permissions, what
> 'offline files' are, why hardware profiles are important, RAID, how tcp/ip
> works, and just what all that stuff in performance monitor means is all just
> the most basic skills that everyone who has ever turned on an XP box
> intuitively knows.
>
> I guess my thinking is way off base because I would have bet everything I
> own on the fact that 99.3% of all XP users out there could not have even
> formed that little rant of mine, let alone have even heard of or have even a
> basic knowledge of those items.
>
> But, that's just me. Of course, I have respect for those who have earned
> MCDST or any other certification for that matter.
>
> John R
>
>
>

Amen John!

I agree. I though I knew a lot about XP from years of experience
supporting it but I was dead wrong. There were soooo many things that
I learned about while studying for my MCDST that ended up further
benefiting my company. I used my certification to break beyond my
knowledge barrier so to speak. I can say though, that without that
experience, the tests, studying, and certification would have been
useless.

I am in a similar situation now studying for my MCSE. I have a job
where I can kinda dabble with the domain to a point to use while
learning specific topics, but there will be a lot of high end stuff
that I will not have access to do. So to take the tests, I will have
to place my faith in what the book/technet says. As a result of this,
I am lookin for a job where I can break the next barrier. Like the
chicken abd egg scenerio, I need a better job to get more certified.
Hope this confuses everyone deeply.

Main point to take away: You need experience to a point, otherwise it
is blind memorization.

"catwalker63" <_catwalker63_@hotmamamail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9987B4668C550catwalker63athotmail@216.196. 97.136...
>
> You can also get experience by setting up a lab. That way you aren't
> meddling with the servers and, oops!, shutdown the server with the
> database during month end close. You need to break a certain amount of
> stuff to really learn but it's better if you don't break something
> someone's actually using.
>

Sure, go ahead, take all the fun out of the job, see if I care

John R