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Yes, I know that the Microsoft site says that we should continue with
our current cert paths but I'm not sure about how wise that is.

I currently have 1 exam to get my MCAD, so as I understand, my options
are

1. Finish my MCAD with one exam and then do a single upgrade exam to
get MCPD
as stated at http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcpd/webdev/


2. Do the two Tech specialist exams and then a final MCPD exam

The reason I'm thinking that 3 exams may be preferable to 2 is that the
material in the 2 Tech specialist exams may be of more value to me.

December 18, 2005

Well, the current MCAD would look good on your resume as employers will see
it as 'past/pervious experience'. Besides, you only have so much energy and
you may run out of time too. Therefore, I would take the 1 left for MCAD and
then the 1 upgrade. THEN if you feel the extra exams are still that valuable
to you, I would persue them then... but I think you should get at least the
big ones first in case you don't have the energy later. Good luck!

--

Joseph Bittman
Microsoft Certified Solution Developer
Microsoft Most Valuable Professional -- DPM

Blog/Web Site: http://71.39.42.23/



"yajames" <> wrote in message
news: ups.com...
> Yes, I know that the Microsoft site says that we should continue with
> our current cert paths but I'm not sure about how wise that is.
>
> I currently have 1 exam to get my MCAD, so as I understand, my options
> are
>
> 1. Finish my MCAD with one exam and then do a single upgrade exam to
> get MCPD
> as stated at http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcpd/webdev/
>
>
> 2. Do the two Tech specialist exams and then a final MCPD exam
>
> The reason I'm thinking that 3 exams may be preferable to 2 is that the
> material in the 2 Tech specialist exams may be of more value to me.
>

Hi Joseph.

Yes I think you're right. I will get the MCAD before I run out of steam


It's a pity that there is no clear study path from MCAD to MCPD
Enterprise app developer but that is a long way off anyway.

Thanks for the reply.


Joseph Bittman MVP MCSD wrote:
> December 18, 2005
>
> Well, the current MCAD would look good on your resume as employers will see
> it as 'past/pervious experience'. Besides, you only have so much energy and
> you may run out of time too. Therefore, I would take the 1 left for MCAD and
> then the 1 upgrade. THEN if you feel the extra exams are still that valuable
> to you, I would persue them then... but I think you should get at least the
> big ones first in case you don't have the energy later. Good luck!
>
> --
>
> Joseph Bittman
> Microsoft Certified Solution Developer
> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional -- DPM
>
> Blog/Web Site: http://71.39.42.23/
>
>
>
> "yajames" <> wrote in message
> news: ups.com...
> > Yes, I know that the Microsoft site says that we should continue with
> > our current cert paths but I'm not sure about how wise that is.
> >
> > I currently have 1 exam to get my MCAD, so as I understand, my options
> > are
> >
> > 1. Finish my MCAD with one exam and then do a single upgrade exam to
> > get MCPD
> > as stated at http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcpd/webdev/
> >
> >
> > 2. Do the two Tech specialist exams and then a final MCPD exam
> >
> > The reason I'm thinking that 3 exams may be preferable to 2 is that the
> > material in the 2 Tech specialist exams may be of more value to me.
> >

December 19, 2005

LOL Yes, it is a very large pity that there isn't any good study materials
yet. :S I've been invited a lot of the beta exams, and one of them has 11
pages of exam objectives (average MCAD exam objectives are about 2-3 pages)!
Another two exams have about 8-9 pages. I've been trying to get all the info
I need from MSDN, but it hasn't been easy at all.

One thing it took me a while to figure out, is you CANNOT find VS 05
specific features in the normal MSDN.Com!!!! You MUST go to
MSDN2.microsoft.com! Also, it is very easy to click a search result from
MSDN2 and get redirected to MSDN.com, and then if you do a search there you
won't get the results from MSDN2 (and hence no VS 05 results/updates/etc)
.... Hope this helps and good luck!!!


--

Joseph Bittman
Microsoft Certified Solution Developer
Microsoft Most Valuable Professional -- DPM

Blog/Web Site: http://71.39.42.23/



"yajames" <> wrote in message
news: oups.com...
> Hi Joseph.
>
> Yes I think you're right. I will get the MCAD before I run out of steam
>
>
> It's a pity that there is no clear study path from MCAD to MCPD
> Enterprise app developer but that is a long way off anyway.
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
>
> Joseph Bittman MVP MCSD wrote:
>> December 18, 2005
>>
>> Well, the current MCAD would look good on your resume as employers will
>> see
>> it as 'past/pervious experience'. Besides, you only have so much energy
>> and
>> you may run out of time too. Therefore, I would take the 1 left for MCAD
>> and
>> then the 1 upgrade. THEN if you feel the extra exams are still that
>> valuable
>> to you, I would persue them then... but I think you should get at least
>> the
>> big ones first in case you don't have the energy later. Good luck!
>>
>> --
>>
>> Joseph Bittman
>> Microsoft Certified Solution Developer
>> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional -- DPM
>>
>> Blog/Web Site: http://71.39.42.23/
>>
>>
>>
>> "yajames" <> wrote in message
>> news: ups.com...
>> > Yes, I know that the Microsoft site says that we should continue with
>> > our current cert paths but I'm not sure about how wise that is.
>> >
>> > I currently have 1 exam to get my MCAD, so as I understand, my options
>> > are
>> >
>> > 1. Finish my MCAD with one exam and then do a single upgrade exam to
>> > get MCPD
>> > as stated at http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcpd/webdev/
>> >
>> >
>> > 2. Do the two Tech specialist exams and then a final MCPD exam
>> >
>> > The reason I'm thinking that 3 exams may be preferable to 2 is that the
>> > material in the 2 Tech specialist exams may be of more value to me.
>> >
>

Interesting..What would you recommend a newbie do? Follow the existing MCAD
credential?

"Joseph Bittman MVP MCSD" <> wrote in message
news:eE1%...
> December 19, 2005
>
> LOL Yes, it is a very large pity that there isn't any good study
> materials yet. :S I've been invited a lot of the beta exams, and one of
> them has 11 pages of exam objectives (average MCAD exam objectives are
> about 2-3 pages)! Another two exams have about 8-9 pages. I've been trying
> to get all the info I need from MSDN, but it hasn't been easy at all.
>
> One thing it took me a while to figure out, is you CANNOT find VS 05
> specific features in the normal MSDN.Com!!!! You MUST go to
> MSDN2.microsoft.com! Also, it is very easy to click a search result from
> MSDN2 and get redirected to MSDN.com, and then if you do a search there
> you won't get the results from MSDN2 (and hence no VS 05
> results/updates/etc) ... Hope this helps and good luck!!!
>
>
> --
>
> Joseph Bittman
> Microsoft Certified Solution Developer
> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional -- DPM
>
> Blog/Web Site: http://71.39.42.23/
>
>
>
> "yajames" <> wrote in message
> news: oups.com...
>> Hi Joseph.
>>
>> Yes I think you're right. I will get the MCAD before I run out of steam
>>
>>
>> It's a pity that there is no clear study path from MCAD to MCPD
>> Enterprise app developer but that is a long way off anyway.
>>
>> Thanks for the reply.
>>
>>
>> Joseph Bittman MVP MCSD wrote:
>>> December 18, 2005
>>>
>>> Well, the current MCAD would look good on your resume as employers will
>>> see
>>> it as 'past/pervious experience'. Besides, you only have so much energy
>>> and
>>> you may run out of time too. Therefore, I would take the 1 left for MCAD
>>> and
>>> then the 1 upgrade. THEN if you feel the extra exams are still that
>>> valuable
>>> to you, I would persue them then... but I think you should get at least
>>> the
>>> big ones first in case you don't have the energy later. Good luck!
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Joseph Bittman
>>> Microsoft Certified Solution Developer
>>> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional -- DPM
>>>
>>> Blog/Web Site: http://71.39.42.23/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "yajames" <> wrote in message
>>> news: ups.com...
>>> > Yes, I know that the Microsoft site says that we should continue with
>>> > our current cert paths but I'm not sure about how wise that is.
>>> >
>>> > I currently have 1 exam to get my MCAD, so as I understand, my options
>>> > are
>>> >
>>> > 1. Finish my MCAD with one exam and then do a single upgrade exam to
>>> > get MCPD
>>> > as stated at http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcpd/webdev/
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2. Do the two Tech specialist exams and then a final MCPD exam
>>> >
>>> > The reason I'm thinking that 3 exams may be preferable to 2 is that
>>> > the
>>> > material in the 2 Tech specialist exams may be of more value to me.
>>> >
>>
>
>

January 7, 2005

Yes, I think a newbie should go with the MCAD right now.... I think for a
newbie, MCAD is very reachable, although I must say I think MSFT has made
the new certifications with no room for newbies. -- Although upgrading from
MCAD to the new ones are definitely possible. You could go with the new
exams right now, but I would probably say it would take you longer than
getting the MCAD now and upgrading. Hope this helps and good luck!!!

--

Joseph Bittman
Microsoft Certified Solution Developer
Microsoft Most Valuable Professional -- DPM

Blog/Web Site: http://71.39.42.23/



"Simon Hart" <srhartone@[no spam]yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:...
> Interesting..What would you recommend a newbie do? Follow the existing
> MCAD credential?
>
> "Joseph Bittman MVP MCSD" <> wrote in message
> news:eE1%...
>> December 19, 2005
>>
>> LOL Yes, it is a very large pity that there isn't any good study
>> materials yet. :S I've been invited a lot of the beta exams, and one of
>> them has 11 pages of exam objectives (average MCAD exam objectives are
>> about 2-3 pages)! Another two exams have about 8-9 pages. I've been
>> trying to get all the info I need from MSDN, but it hasn't been easy at
>> all.
>>
>> One thing it took me a while to figure out, is you CANNOT find VS 05
>> specific features in the normal MSDN.Com!!!! You MUST go to
>> MSDN2.microsoft.com! Also, it is very easy to click a search result from
>> MSDN2 and get redirected to MSDN.com, and then if you do a search there
>> you won't get the results from MSDN2 (and hence no VS 05
>> results/updates/etc) ... Hope this helps and good luck!!!
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Joseph Bittman
>> Microsoft Certified Solution Developer
>> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional -- DPM
>>
>> Blog/Web Site: http://71.39.42.23/
>>
>>
>>
>> "yajames" <> wrote in message
>> news: oups.com...
>>> Hi Joseph.
>>>
>>> Yes I think you're right. I will get the MCAD before I run out of steam
>>>
>>>
>>> It's a pity that there is no clear study path from MCAD to MCPD
>>> Enterprise app developer but that is a long way off anyway.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the reply.
>>>
>>>
>>> Joseph Bittman MVP MCSD wrote:
>>>> December 18, 2005
>>>>
>>>> Well, the current MCAD would look good on your resume as employers
>>>> will see
>>>> it as 'past/pervious experience'. Besides, you only have so much energy
>>>> and
>>>> you may run out of time too. Therefore, I would take the 1 left for
>>>> MCAD and
>>>> then the 1 upgrade. THEN if you feel the extra exams are still that
>>>> valuable
>>>> to you, I would persue them then... but I think you should get at least
>>>> the
>>>> big ones first in case you don't have the energy later. Good luck!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Joseph Bittman
>>>> Microsoft Certified Solution Developer
>>>> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional -- DPM
>>>>
>>>> Blog/Web Site: http://71.39.42.23/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "yajames" <> wrote in message
>>>> news: ups.com...
>>>> > Yes, I know that the Microsoft site says that we should continue with
>>>> > our current cert paths but I'm not sure about how wise that is.
>>>> >
>>>> > I currently have 1 exam to get my MCAD, so as I understand, my
>>>> > options
>>>> > are
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. Finish my MCAD with one exam and then do a single upgrade exam to
>>>> > get MCPD
>>>> > as stated at http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcpd/webdev/
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > 2. Do the two Tech specialist exams and then a final MCPD exam
>>>> >
>>>> > The reason I'm thinking that 3 exams may be preferable to 2 is that
>>>> > the
>>>> > material in the 2 Tech specialist exams may be of more value to me.
>>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

I wouldn't really call myself a newbie, sorry wrong word. What I meant was
someone who has not taken any MS exams yet towards the MCAD credential. I
have been meaning to book my exam for a year so I finally got the courage
and booked 70-316 yesterday.
I have been using C# for around 2.5 years now, solid, most of which has been
Windows CE Compact Framework WinForms and the full 1.1 framework desktop.

I have an OO background too - started with Smalltalk, then OO COBOL. I have
also developed a commercial Web Portal in ASP.NET 1.0 to integrate with our
desktop HR product which works very well. But Web development doesn't
interest me as much as WinForm development. This is the reason I have chosen
70-316 desktop route.

I have now been using VS 2005 since beta 1, and now use the RTM version for
some of our products - but not all - yet!
Once 70-316 is out the way Web Services will be next which I have also been
using for some considerable time so should be no great shakes there then
finally SQL - been using SQL since v7 years ago. ADO.NET been usnig since
started with C#.

Do you still think MCAD credential is the right route for me at this time.

Many thanks
Simon.
"Joseph Bittman MVP MCSD" <> wrote in message
news:...
> January 7, 2005
>
> Yes, I think a newbie should go with the MCAD right now.... I think for a
> newbie, MCAD is very reachable, although I must say I think MSFT has made
> the new certifications with no room for newbies. -- Although upgrading
> from MCAD to the new ones are definitely possible. You could go with the
> new exams right now, but I would probably say it would take you longer
> than getting the MCAD now and upgrading. Hope this helps and good luck!!!
>
> --
>
> Joseph Bittman
> Microsoft Certified Solution Developer
> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional -- DPM
>
> Blog/Web Site: http://71.39.42.23/
>
>
>
> "Simon Hart" <srhartone@[no spam]yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Interesting..What would you recommend a newbie do? Follow the existing
>> MCAD credential?
>>
>> "Joseph Bittman MVP MCSD" <> wrote in message
>> news:eE1%...
>>> December 19, 2005
>>>
>>> LOL Yes, it is a very large pity that there isn't any good study
>>> materials yet. :S I've been invited a lot of the beta exams, and one of
>>> them has 11 pages of exam objectives (average MCAD exam objectives are
>>> about 2-3 pages)! Another two exams have about 8-9 pages. I've been
>>> trying to get all the info I need from MSDN, but it hasn't been easy at
>>> all.
>>>
>>> One thing it took me a while to figure out, is you CANNOT find VS 05
>>> specific features in the normal MSDN.Com!!!! You MUST go to
>>> MSDN2.microsoft.com! Also, it is very easy to click a search result from
>>> MSDN2 and get redirected to MSDN.com, and then if you do a search there
>>> you won't get the results from MSDN2 (and hence no VS 05
>>> results/updates/etc) ... Hope this helps and good luck!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Joseph Bittman
>>> Microsoft Certified Solution Developer
>>> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional -- DPM
>>>
>>> Blog/Web Site: http://71.39.42.23/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "yajames" <> wrote in message
>>> news: oups.com...
>>>> Hi Joseph.
>>>>
>>>> Yes I think you're right. I will get the MCAD before I run out of steam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's a pity that there is no clear study path from MCAD to MCPD
>>>> Enterprise app developer but that is a long way off anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the reply.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joseph Bittman MVP MCSD wrote:
>>>>> December 18, 2005
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, the current MCAD would look good on your resume as employers
>>>>> will see
>>>>> it as 'past/pervious experience'. Besides, you only have so much
>>>>> energy and
>>>>> you may run out of time too. Therefore, I would take the 1 left for
>>>>> MCAD and
>>>>> then the 1 upgrade. THEN if you feel the extra exams are still that
>>>>> valuable
>>>>> to you, I would persue them then... but I think you should get at
>>>>> least the
>>>>> big ones first in case you don't have the energy later. Good luck!
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Joseph Bittman
>>>>> Microsoft Certified Solution Developer
>>>>> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional -- DPM
>>>>>
>>>>> Blog/Web Site: http://71.39.42.23/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "yajames" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news: ups.com...
>>>>> > Yes, I know that the Microsoft site says that we should continue
>>>>> > with
>>>>> > our current cert paths but I'm not sure about how wise that is.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I currently have 1 exam to get my MCAD, so as I understand, my
>>>>> > options
>>>>> > are
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 1. Finish my MCAD with one exam and then do a single upgrade exam to
>>>>> > get MCPD
>>>>> > as stated at http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcpd/webdev/
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2. Do the two Tech specialist exams and then a final MCPD exam
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The reason I'm thinking that 3 exams may be preferable to 2 is that
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > material in the 2 Tech specialist exams may be of more value to me.
>>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

January 8, 2005

Definitely! It sounds like you won't have much problem at all, and it
definitely shows 'past experience' to employers. Also, you will easily be
able to upgrade to the new certs. Besides, there is even a slight chance
if you pass the MCAD exams quickly, you might get invited to some of the new
beta exams! Goooood luck!!!!

--

Joseph Bittman
Microsoft Certified Solution Developer
Microsoft Most Valuable Professional -- DPM

Blog/Web Site: http://71.39.42.23/



"Simon Hart" <srhartone@[no spam]yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:...
>I wouldn't really call myself a newbie, sorry wrong word. What I meant was
>someone who has not taken any MS exams yet towards the MCAD credential. I
>have been meaning to book my exam for a year so I finally got the courage
>and booked 70-316 yesterday.
> I have been using C# for around 2.5 years now, solid, most of which has
> been Windows CE Compact Framework WinForms and the full 1.1 framework
> desktop.
>
> I have an OO background too - started with Smalltalk, then OO COBOL. I
> have also developed a commercial Web Portal in ASP.NET 1.0 to integrate
> with our desktop HR product which works very well. But Web development
> doesn't interest me as much as WinForm development. This is the reason I
> have chosen 70-316 desktop route.
>
> I have now been using VS 2005 since beta 1, and now use the RTM version
> for some of our products - but not all - yet!
> Once 70-316 is out the way Web Services will be next which I have also
> been using for some considerable time so should be no great shakes there
> then finally SQL - been using SQL since v7 years ago. ADO.NET been usnig
> since started with C#.
>
> Do you still think MCAD credential is the right route for me at this time.
>
> Many thanks
> Simon.
> "Joseph Bittman MVP MCSD" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> January 7, 2005
>>
>> Yes, I think a newbie should go with the MCAD right now.... I think for a
>> newbie, MCAD is very reachable, although I must say I think MSFT has made
>> the new certifications with no room for newbies. -- Although upgrading
>> from MCAD to the new ones are definitely possible. You could go with the
>> new exams right now, but I would probably say it would take you longer
>> than getting the MCAD now and upgrading. Hope this helps and good luck!!!
>>
>> --
>>
>> Joseph Bittman
>> Microsoft Certified Solution Developer
>> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional -- DPM
>>
>> Blog/Web Site: http://71.39.42.23/
>>
>>
>>
>> "Simon Hart" <srhartone@[no spam]yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Interesting..What would you recommend a newbie do? Follow the existing
>>> MCAD credential?
>>>
>>> "Joseph Bittman MVP MCSD" <> wrote in message
>>> news:eE1%...
>>>> December 19, 2005
>>>>
>>>> LOL Yes, it is a very large pity that there isn't any good study
>>>> materials yet. :S I've been invited a lot of the beta exams, and one of
>>>> them has 11 pages of exam objectives (average MCAD exam objectives are
>>>> about 2-3 pages)! Another two exams have about 8-9 pages. I've been
>>>> trying to get all the info I need from MSDN, but it hasn't been easy at
>>>> all.
>>>>
>>>> One thing it took me a while to figure out, is you CANNOT find VS 05
>>>> specific features in the normal MSDN.Com!!!! You MUST go to
>>>> MSDN2.microsoft.com! Also, it is very easy to click a search result
>>>> from MSDN2 and get redirected to MSDN.com, and then if you do a search
>>>> there you won't get the results from MSDN2 (and hence no VS 05
>>>> results/updates/etc) ... Hope this helps and good luck!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Joseph Bittman
>>>> Microsoft Certified Solution Developer
>>>> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional -- DPM
>>>>
>>>> Blog/Web Site: http://71.39.42.23/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "yajames" <> wrote in message
>>>> news: oups.com...
>>>>> Hi Joseph.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes I think you're right. I will get the MCAD before I run out of
>>>>> steam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a pity that there is no clear study path from MCAD to MCPD
>>>>> Enterprise app developer but that is a long way off anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the reply.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Joseph Bittman MVP MCSD wrote:
>>>>>> December 18, 2005
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, the current MCAD would look good on your resume as employers
>>>>>> will see
>>>>>> it as 'past/pervious experience'. Besides, you only have so much
>>>>>> energy and
>>>>>> you may run out of time too. Therefore, I would take the 1 left for
>>>>>> MCAD and
>>>>>> then the 1 upgrade. THEN if you feel the extra exams are still that
>>>>>> valuable
>>>>>> to you, I would persue them then... but I think you should get at
>>>>>> least the
>>>>>> big ones first in case you don't have the energy later. Good
>>>>>> luck!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joseph Bittman
>>>>>> Microsoft Certified Solution Developer
>>>>>> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional -- DPM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blog/Web Site: http://71.39.42.23/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "yajames" <> wrote in message
>>>>>> news: ups.com...
>>>>>> > Yes, I know that the Microsoft site says that we should continue
>>>>>> > with
>>>>>> > our current cert paths but I'm not sure about how wise that is.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I currently have 1 exam to get my MCAD, so as I understand, my
>>>>>> > options
>>>>>> > are
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 1. Finish my MCAD with one exam and then do a single upgrade exam
>>>>>> > to
>>>>>> > get MCPD
>>>>>> > as stated at http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcpd/webdev/
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 2. Do the two Tech specialist exams and then a final MCPD exam
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > The reason I'm thinking that 3 exams may be preferable to 2 is that
>>>>>> > the
>>>>>> > material in the 2 Tech specialist exams may be of more value to me.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>