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That is terrible. First time I have heard of real cheating. The knowledge
difference between memorizing these questions and understanding them is
radical. In the office I think the difference between someone who cheated and
someone who didn’t can be apparent in a matter of minutes. But for people
just breaking into the business this can really suck.

But it does explain why someone I know who is certified doesnt seem to know
the material

But how can be determined the cheating?
MeasureUP has plenty of questions that sometime 4-8 questions from 50 may be
will too close to real exams, but MeasureUP is recomended by Microsoft.
and they give pass guaranty ! So are they cheating?

or TestKing or may be Transcender?

Where is the line of cheating?

"Sean" <> wrote in message
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> That is terrible. First time I have heard of real cheating. The knowledge
> difference between memorizing these questions and understanding them is
> radical. In the office I think the difference between someone who cheated
> and
> someone who didn't can be apparent in a matter of minutes. But for people
> just breaking into the business this can really suck.
>
> But it does explain why someone I know who is certified doesnt seem to
> know
> the material

I would say no. I am much more concerned about the "exact" questions I am
hearing about. The material is to deep that even real expired questions only
help you study and I wouldnt call it cheating.
I am concerned about people getting access to the real questions that are
currently active in the pool.



"Armen Kirakosyan" wrote:

> But how can be determined the cheating?
> MeasureUP has plenty of questions that sometime 4-8 questions from 50 may be
> will too close to real exams, but MeasureUP is recomended by Microsoft.
> and they give pass guaranty ! So are they cheating?
>
> or TestKing or may be Transcender?
>
> Where is the line of cheating?
>
> "Sean" <> wrote in message
> news:4B928732-A551-4BD4-99AF-...
> > That is terrible. First time I have heard of real cheating. The knowledge
> > difference between memorizing these questions and understanding them is
> > radical. In the office I think the difference between someone who cheated
> > and
> > someone who didn't can be apparent in a matter of minutes. But for people
> > just breaking into the business this can really suck.
> >
> > But it does explain why someone I know who is certified doesnt seem to
> > know
> > the material
>
>
>

But how?
it seems to me that real questions are protected by VUE and MS isn't is?
otherwise almost everyone can access that questions and get sertificate

So testing is a waste of money and time?


"Sean" <> wrote in message
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>I would say no. I am much more concerned about the "exact" questions I am
> hearing about. The material is to deep that even real expired questions
> only
> help you study and I wouldnt call it cheating.
> I am concerned about people getting access to the real questions that are
> currently active in the pool.
>
>
>
> "Armen Kirakosyan" wrote:
>
>> But how can be determined the cheating?
>> MeasureUP has plenty of questions that sometime 4-8 questions from 50 may
>> be
>> will too close to real exams, but MeasureUP is recomended by Microsoft.
>> and they give pass guaranty ! So are they cheating?
>>
>> or TestKing or may be Transcender?
>>
>> Where is the line of cheating?
>>
>> "Sean" <> wrote in message
>> news:4B928732-A551-4BD4-99AF-...
>> > That is terrible. First time I have heard of real cheating. The
>> > knowledge
>> > difference between memorizing these questions and understanding them is
>> > radical. In the office I think the difference between someone who
>> > cheated
>> > and
>> > someone who didn't can be apparent in a matter of minutes. But for
>> > people
>> > just breaking into the business this can really suck.
>> >
>> > But it does explain why someone I know who is certified doesnt seem to
>> > know
>> > the material
>>
>>
>>

A LONG LONG time ago, there was a rumor that Tran$cender was paying $$$ to
test center's employee to have access to the Qs. I mean that was when MCSE
alone will land you an IT job in a small company, and MCSD with some exp is
almost land you pm or senior position. Those good old day :'(
My God!!! Do you know that there are a lot of place that you can find out
common Q in any type of IT interview. I mean programmer, DBA and system adm.
So, there are a lot of paper candidate now
If the guy or girl has a degree from a decent college, it is hard to know
the different between paper and real MCAD/MCSD in the first few weeks. It is
b'cos they are doing Jr position. For senior position, they already have exp

In fact, some companies now need you to write some in-house IT exams (from
one day to few days :'( ) before you even can talk to anyone in the company
:'(
Egghead
"FrisbeeR" <> wrote in message
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> "Armen Kirakosyan" <> wrote in message
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>> But how?
>
> There are many methods.
>
>> it seems to me that real questions are protected by VUE and MS isn't is?
>
> Not exactly. There are official testing centers, both VUE and Prometric,
> that are overseas, and less than scrupulous.
>
>> otherwise almost everyone can access that questions and get sertificate
>
> You still have to be able to memorize, not an easy task. But then after
> all that work, you're still just a paper cert, and will likely be found
> out shortly after hire, assuming that one can even get hired. Many are
> weeded out in the interview process. A lot of time and money wasted on
> both sides.
>
>> So testing is a waste of money and time?
>
> Not really. If you really know your stuff and did not cheat, it will be
> apparent in the interview process. We, the MCNGP have made it our main
> mission to discourage cheating in any form. Sometimes we actually get
> through to people, too.
>
> --
> Fris "Fighting the good fight since about 2001" bee®, MCNGP #13
>
> The MCNGP Team - We're here to help!
>
> http://www.mcngp.com
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/certaholics
>
>

There may have been less in the past but there is still only about 15,000
MSCD.net worldwide.

http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/certified.asp

Holy smoke!!!

At this rate, MCSD.net 3.0 can be in the List of Endangered Species :'(

Egghead


"Sean" <> wrote in message
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> There may have been less in the past but there is still only about 15,000
> MSCD.net worldwide.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/certified.asp
>
>