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Hi,
With all the talk about braindumps being illegal, I think it's funny that my
instructor (at a MS Certified Training center) HIGHLY and REPEATEDLY
recommended using braindumps.
Any comments?
Dale

"Dale" <> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> With all the talk about braindumps being illegal, I think it's funny that
my
> instructor (at a MS Certified Training center) HIGHLY and REPEATEDLY
> recommended using braindumps.
> Any comments?
> Dale
>

Ignorance.

Just because he is an instructor does not make him correct.

He is probably under pressure to have people PASS the test,
(as in his job) and the easy way is to teach the test instead of the
material. Happens all the time in public education, to the detriment
of all.

kp "just say no" g

And for the record, that would be a different Dale.

Dale Preston
MCAD, MCSE, MCDBA and no braindumps.

"Dale" <> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> With all the talk about braindumps being illegal, I think it's funny that
my
> instructor (at a MS Certified Training center) HIGHLY and REPEATEDLY
> recommended using braindumps.
> Any comments?
> Dale
>
>

Dale wrote:

> With all the talk about braindumps being illegal, I think it's funny
> that my instructor (at a MS Certified Training center) HIGHLY and
> REPEATEDLY recommended using braindumps.

Did he recommend Transcender, or one of the others? Some people
consider Transcender to be a dump, but I don't put it in that category.

I know one teaching company that gives people online accounts for
Transcender.

Eric

"kpg" wrote:
> He is probably under pressure to have people PASS the test,
> (as in his job) and the easy way is to teach the test instead of the
> material.

You're right kpg. This is exactly why instructors encourage using
braindumps. Would you rather have a pass rate of 99% or 20% to your
training center's credit?

There is a huge difference between an MS training center having companies
for clients and individuals for clients. When your client is a company, you
are in most cases under contract to teach their employees the skills
necessary to--in essence--run their organization's technology. In this
case, certifications don't matter nearly as much, and the training can be
largely customized to that client's technology infrastructure.

On the other hand, when a training center caters to individuals, it's
usually to make a quick buck by feeding the trainees a mind-numbing dose of
test questions, so that they can get a pretty certificate. This is akin to
when American pilots in Vietnam came home after 100 missions, whether or not
they did anything. Nowadays, as in the Iraq war, our boys were over there
until they got the job done, not until they got a pretty certificate of
completion.

The only truly successful individual-based MS training centers are those
that have strict professional prerequisites (years of experience, prior
certifications,etc.) before even stepping foot in the classroom.

He just recommended doing an Internet search for "Braindumps".
By the way, why don't you consider Transcender to be a dump?
I've never seen Transcender, but if the questions are not actual copies of
real test questions, then I could imagine that it would be helpful in test
preparation and learning at the same time.

Dale B.

<Eric> wrote in message news:...
> Dale wrote:
>
> > With all the talk about braindumps being illegal, I think it's funny
> > that my instructor (at a MS Certified Training center) HIGHLY and
> > REPEATEDLY recommended using braindumps.
>
> Did he recommend Transcender, or one of the others? Some people
> consider Transcender to be a dump, but I don't put it in that category.
>
> I know one teaching company that gives people online accounts for
> Transcender.
>
> Eric

It's clear to me now that training centers are actually businesses in a
dog-eat-dog world.
What I did get from the training center was a good introduction to some of
the possibilities of .NET.
However, I did have to put up with (almost daily) sales pitches and
cheerleading. (Visual Studio, Rah Rah Rah! - Dot Net, Rah Rah Rah!) I was
already sold on the technology, the course had already been paid for, and I
just wanted to develop skills.
To me, certificates are secondary to really being able to develop good
stuff.
Thanks to all for the replys.

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> "kpg" wrote:
> > He is probably under pressure to have people PASS the test,
> > (as in his job) and the easy way is to teach the test instead of the
> > material.
>
> You're right kpg. This is exactly why instructors encourage using
> braindumps. Would you rather have a pass rate of 99% or 20% to your
> training center's credit?
>
> There is a huge difference between an MS training center having companies
> for clients and individuals for clients. When your client is a company,
you
> are in most cases under contract to teach their employees the skills
> necessary to--in essence--run their organization's technology. In this
> case, certifications don't matter nearly as much, and the training can be
> largely customized to that client's technology infrastructure.
>
> On the other hand, when a training center caters to individuals, it's
> usually to make a quick buck by feeding the trainees a mind-numbing dose
of
> test questions, so that they can get a pretty certificate. This is akin
to
> when American pilots in Vietnam came home after 100 missions, whether or
not
> they did anything. Nowadays, as in the Iraq war, our boys were over there
> until they got the job done, not until they got a pretty certificate of
> completion.
>
> The only truly successful individual-based MS training centers are those
> that have strict professional prerequisites (years of experience, prior
> certifications,etc.) before even stepping foot in the classroom.
>
>

Dale B.wrote:
> However, I did have to put up with (almost daily) sales pitches and
> cheerleading. (Visual Studio, Rah Rah Rah! - Dot Net, Rah Rah Rah!)

Welcome to the wonderful world of Microsoft Certified Technical Education
Centers (CTECs).

> To me, certificates are secondary to really being able to develop good
> stuff.

You will go very far with that philosophy, Dale.

Dale B. wrote:

> He just recommended doing an Internet search for "Braindumps".
> By the way, why don't you consider Transcender to be a dump?
> I've never seen Transcender, but if the questions are not actual
> copies of real test questions, then I could imagine that it would be
> helpful in test preparation and learning at the same time.

The Transcender .NET material is not actual test questions. But they
are challenging questions, and they explain all of the answers: the
right ones and the wrong ones.

MeasureUp is similar, but MS actually recommends MeasureUp. Based on
the demo questions I saw, they look very much like Transcenders.

Eric

The MeasureUp vs. Transcender issue is just marketing with Microsoft. Years
ago, Transcender was their recommended practice test provider. It's all a
matter of who gives the best deal to Microsoft. I wouldn't be surprised to
see Microsoft recommending TestKing if that's where they thought the most
money would be made.

Dale Preston
MCAD, MCSE, MCDBA

<Eric> wrote in message news:Ozrl#...
> Dale B. wrote:
>
> > He just recommended doing an Internet search for "Braindumps".
> > By the way, why don't you consider Transcender to be a dump?
> > I've never seen Transcender, but if the questions are not actual
> > copies of real test questions, then I could imagine that it would be
> > helpful in test preparation and learning at the same time.
>
> The Transcender .NET material is not actual test questions. But they
> are challenging questions, and they explain all of the answers: the
> right ones and the wrong ones.
>
> MeasureUp is similar, but MS actually recommends MeasureUp. Based on
> the demo questions I saw, they look very much like Transcenders.
>
> Eric