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I was reading in the documentation about __del__ and have a couple of
questions. Here is what I was looking at:

http://docs.python.org/reference/dat...object.__del__

What is globals referring to in the following text from that reference
page?

"Starting with version 1.5, Python guarantees that globals whose name
begins with a single underscore are deleted from their module before
other globals are deleted; if no other references to such globals
exist, this may help in assuring that imported modules are still
available at the time when the __del__() method is called."

Thus those with an _ get deleted before everything else. This is not
referring to members of my objects is it, such that those members
starting with _ get deleted first? I suppose that would delete
__del__ before it would get called so I assume that is not the case.
But I want to be sure about that behavior and exactly what globals
is. Is globals meaning the contents of "globals" or something else.
I ask because sometimes some words get used for varied meanings.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Eric Snow <> wrote:
> I was reading in the documentation about __del__ and have a couple of
> questions. Here is what I was looking at:
>
> http://docs.python.org/reference/dat...object.__del__
>
> What is globals referring to in the following text from that reference
> page?

Globals are variables that have toplevel module scope. Basically, any
assignments, function definitions, or class definitions with no
indentation from the left margin will create a global variable. If you
can get at the variable by appending something of the form
"\nSomeIdentifierHere\n" to the module's file, and it's not a built-in
function, then it's a global.

Cheers,
Chris

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On Jan 7, 12:48*pm, "Chris Rebert" <c...@rebertia.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Eric Snow <es...@verio.net> wrote:
> > I was reading in the documentation about __del__ and have a couple of
> > questions. *Here is what I was looking at:
>
> >http://docs.python.org/reference/dat...object.__del__
>
> > What is globals referring to in the following text from that reference
> > page?
>
> Globals are variables that have toplevel module scope. Basically, any
> assignments, function definitions, or class definitions with no
> indentation from the left margin will create a global variable. If you
> can get at the variable by appending something of the form
> "\nSomeIdentifierHere\n" to the module's file, and it's not a built-in
> function, then it's a global.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> --
> Follow the path of the Iguana...http://rebertia.com

Perfect! that is kind of what I thought. Thanks.

So any such in any module every variable in memory that starts with an
underscore will be deleted before the rest. Then this does not affect
the order in which variables are deleted in instances of my classes,
and thus all my class and instance variables (including methods) are
available when the __del__ of the class instance is called?

-eric

On Jan 7, 12:55*pm, Eric Snow <es...@verio.net> wrote:
> On Jan 7, 12:48*pm, "Chris Rebert" <c...@rebertia.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Eric Snow <es...@verio.net> wrote:
> > > I was reading in the documentation about __del__ and have a couple of
> > > questions. *Here is what I was looking at:
>
> > >http://docs.python.org/reference/dat...object.__del__
>
> > > What is globals referring to in the following text from that reference
> > > page?
>
> > Globals are variables that have toplevel module scope. Basically, any
> > assignments, function definitions, or class definitions with no
> > indentation from the left margin will create a global variable. If you
> > can get at the variable by appending something of the form
> > "\nSomeIdentifierHere\n" to the module's file, and it's not a built-in
> > function, then it's a global.
>
> > Cheers,
> > Chris
>
> > --
> > Follow the path of the Iguana...http://rebertia.com
>
> Perfect! *that is kind of what I thought. *Thanks.
>
> So any such in any module every variable in memory that starts with an
> underscore will be deleted before the rest. *Then this does not affect
> the order in which variables are deleted in instances of my classes,
> and thus all my class and instance variables (including methods) are
> available when the __del__ of the class instance is called?
>
> -eric

Typo.

Perfect! that is kind of what I thought. Thanks.

So in any module every such variable in memory that starts with an
underscore will be deleted before the rest. Then this does not affect
the order in which variables are deleted in instances of my classes,
and thus all my class and instance variables (including methods) are
available when the __del__ of the class instance is called?

-eric

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Eric Snow <> wrote:
> On Jan 7, 12:48 pm, "Chris Rebert" <c...@rebertia.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Eric Snow <es...@verio.net> wrote:
>> > I was reading in the documentation about __del__ and have a couple of
>> > questions. Here is what I was looking at:
>>
>> >http://docs.python.org/reference/dat...object.__del__
>>
>> > What is globals referring to in the following text from that reference
>> > page?
>>
>> Globals are variables that have toplevel module scope. Basically, any
>> assignments, function definitions, or class definitions with no
>> indentation from the left margin will create a global variable. If you
>> can get at the variable by appending something of the form
>> "\nSomeIdentifierHere\n" to the module's file, and it's not a built-in
>> function, then it's a global.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>> --
>> Follow the path of the Iguana...http://rebertia.com
>
> Perfect! that is kind of what I thought. Thanks.
>
> So any such in any module every variable in memory that starts with an
> underscore will be deleted before the rest. Then this does not affect
> the order in which variables are deleted in instances of my classes,
> and thus all my class and instance variables (including methods) are
> available when the __del__ of the class instance is called?

Indeed. The underscore special-casing only applies to modules.

Cheers,
Chris

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Chris Rebert wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Eric Snow <> wrote:
>> I was reading in the documentation about __del__ and have a couple of
>> questions. Here is what I was looking at:
>>
>> http://docs.python.org/reference/dat...object.__del__
>>
>> What is globals referring to in the following text from that reference
>> page?
>
> Globals are variables that have toplevel module scope. Basically, any
> assignments, function definitions, or class definitions with no
> indentation from the left margin will create a global variable. If you
> can get at the variable by appending something of the form
> "\nSomeIdentifierHere\n" to the module's file, and it's not a built-in
> function, then it's a global.
>
Actually, the amount of indentation doesn't matter. What matters is
whether it's within a 'def' or 'class' statement or not.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:05 PM, MRAB <> wrote:
> Chris Rebert wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Eric Snow <> wrote:
>>>
>>> I was reading in the documentation about __del__ and have a couple of
>>> questions. Here is what I was looking at:
>>>
>>> http://docs.python.org/reference/dat...object.__del__
>>>
>>> What is globals referring to in the following text from that reference
>>> page?
>>
>> Globals are variables that have toplevel module scope. Basically, any
>> assignments, function definitions, or class definitions with no
>> indentation from the left margin will create a global variable. If you
>> can get at the variable by appending something of the form
>> "\nSomeIdentifierHere\n" to the module's file, and it's not a built-in
>> function, then it's a global.
>>
> Actually, the amount of indentation doesn't matter. What matters is whether
> it's within a 'def' or 'class' statement or not.

Yes, but those do require you *to indent* (though so do while & if for
that matter); I just couldn't seem to come up with a better
description of the rule at the time.
But you are correct and yours is a much better description of the rule.

Cheers,
Chris

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