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<li>
<a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/">Saving Putah & Cach Creeks</a></li>

I want to make the link read Tuylome and on a mouse over to show Saving
Putah & Cach Creeks

As such:
<li>
<a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/">Tuylome</a></li>

Mouse over to read Saving Putah & Cach Creeks.

I will remove the target="_blank" from the surewest site.

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DLU wrote:
> <li>
> <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/">Saving Putah & Cach Creeks</a></li>
>
> I want to make the link read Tuylome and on a mouse over to show Saving
> Putah & Cach Creeks
>
> As such:
> <li>
> <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/">Tuylome</a></li>
>
> Mouse over to read Saving Putah & Cach Creeks.
>
> I will remove the target="_blank" from the surewest site.
>
Well I got it sort of, but do not seem to be able to change the font.

<a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/" title="Proecting the Putah &amp; Cach
Creeks Region">
<span class="style3">Tuylome</span></a>


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Gazing into my crystal ball I observed DLU <> writing
in news:b1500$494c3a30$439f9013$:

> DLU wrote:
>> <li>
>> <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/">Saving Putah & Cach Creeks</a>
</li>
>>
>> I want to make the link read Tuylome and on a mouse over to show
Saving
>> Putah & Cach Creeks
>>
>> As such:
>> <li>
>> <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/">Tuylome</a></li>
>>
>> Mouse over to read Saving Putah & Cach Creeks.
>>
>> I will remove the target="_blank" from the surewest site.
>>
> Well I got it sort of, but do not seem to be able to change the font.
>
><a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/" title="Proecting the Putah &amp;
Cach
> Creeks Region">
><span class="style3">Tuylome</span></a>
>
>

If the link is a navigation link, then I think you are all right using
the title attribute. You cannot change the font, it is part of the
user's UI.

If the link is not a navigation link, then you should include the whole
verbiage, eg. <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/">Protecting the Putah
&amp; Cach Creeks Region</a> . Do not depend on a title attribute to
attract someone's eye. Additionally, title attributes are not picked up
as link text by SE's.


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Adrienne Boswell wrote:
> Gazing into my crystal ball I observed DLU <> writing
> in news:b1500$494c3a30$439f9013$:
>
>> DLU wrote:
>>> <li>
>>> <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/">Saving Putah & Cach Creeks</a>
> </li>
>>> I want to make the link read Tuylome and on a mouse over to show
> Saving
>>> Putah & Cach Creeks
>>>
>>> As such:
>>> <li>
>>> <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/">Tuylome</a></li>
>>>
>>> Mouse over to read Saving Putah & Cach Creeks.
>>>
>>> I will remove the target="_blank" from the surewest site.
>>>
>> Well I got it sort of, but do not seem to be able to change the font.
>>
>> <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/" title="Proecting the Putah &amp;
> Cach
>> Creeks Region">
>> <span class="style3">Tuylome</span></a>
>>
>>
>
> If the link is a navigation link, then I think you are all right using
> the title attribute. You cannot change the font, it is part of the
> user's UI.
>
> If the link is not a navigation link, then you should include the whole
> verbiage, eg. <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/">Protecting the Putah
> &amp; Cach Creeks Region</a> . Do not depend on a title attribute to
> attract someone's eye. Additionally, title attributes are not picked up
> as link text by SE's.
>
>
One of the Tuleyome committee members asked me to make the link to show
Tulyeome, and could I make it so a mouseover would shoe the protecting
etc. There should be a way to make a popup but I have figured out that
one yet.

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* I am not SPEWS.ORG *
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Gazing into my crystal ball I observed DLU <> writing
in news:92906$494c48e3$439f9013$:

> Adrienne Boswell wrote:
>> Gazing into my crystal ball I observed DLU <>
>> writing in news:b1500$494c3a30$439f9013$:
>>
>>> DLU wrote:
>>>> <li>
>>>> <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/">Saving Putah & Cach Creeks</a>
>> </li>
>>>> I want to make the link read Tuylome and on a mouse over to show
>> Saving
>>>> Putah & Cach Creeks
>>>>
>>>> As such:
>>>> <li>
>>>> <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/">Tuylome</a></li>
>>>>
>>>> Mouse over to read Saving Putah & Cach Creeks.
>>>>
>>>> I will remove the target="_blank" from the surewest site.
>>>>
>>> Well I got it sort of, but do not seem to be able to change the
>>> font.
>>>
>>> <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/" title="Proecting the Putah &amp;
>> Cach
>>> Creeks Region">
>>> <span class="style3">Tuylome</span></a>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If the link is a navigation link, then I think you are all right
>> using the title attribute. You cannot change the font, it is part of
>> the user's UI.
>>
>> If the link is not a navigation link, then you should include the
>> whole verbiage, eg. <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/">Protecting the
>> Putah &amp; Cach Creeks Region</a> . Do not depend on a title
>> attribute to attract someone's eye. Additionally, title attributes
>> are not picked up as link text by SE's.
>>
>>
> One of the Tuleyome committee members asked me to make the link to
> show Tulyeome, and could I make it so a mouseover would shoe the
> protecting etc. There should be a way to make a popup but I have
> figured out that one yet.
>

You need to show the committe member this post. As I said, the title
element is not guaranteed to attract someone's attention, and it is not
considered link text be search engines (very important). You could
maybe do one of those Yahoo style popups, although I find them very
annoying and they will not work for users without javascript.

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Adrienne Boswell wrote:

> Gazing into my crystal ball I observed DLU <> writing
> in news:92906$494c48e3$439f9013$:
>
>> Adrienne Boswell wrote:
>>> Gazing into my crystal ball I observed DLU <>
>>> writing in news:b1500$494c3a30$439f9013$:
>>>
>>>> DLU wrote:
>>>>> <li>
>>>>> <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/">Saving Putah & Cach Creeks</a>
>>> </li>
>>>>> I want to make the link read Tuylome and on a mouse over to show
>>> Saving
>>>>> Putah & Cach Creeks
>>>>>
>>>>> As such:
>>>>> <li>
>>>>> <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/">Tuylome</a></li>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mouse over to read Saving Putah & Cach Creeks.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will remove the target="_blank" from the surewest site.
>>>>>
>>>> Well I got it sort of, but do not seem to be able to change the
>>>> font.
>>>>
>>>> <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/" title="Proecting the Putah &amp;
>>> Cach
>>>> Creeks Region">
>>>> <span class="style3">Tuylome</span></a>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> If the link is a navigation link, then I think you are all right
>>> using the title attribute. You cannot change the font, it is part of
>>> the user's UI.
>>>
>>> If the link is not a navigation link, then you should include the
>>> whole verbiage, eg. <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/">Protecting the
>>> Putah &amp; Cach Creeks Region</a> . Do not depend on a title
>>> attribute to attract someone's eye. Additionally, title attributes
>>> are not picked up as link text by SE's.
>>>
>> One of the Tuleyome committee members asked me to make the link to
>> show Tulyeome, and could I make it so a mouseover would shoe the
>> protecting etc. There should be a way to make a popup but I have
>> figured out that one yet.
>>
>
> You need to show the committe member this post. As I said, the title
> element is not guaranteed to attract someone's attention, and it is not
> considered link text be search engines (very important). You could
> maybe do one of those Yahoo style popups, although I find them very
> annoying and they will not work for users without javascript.

Or a CSS style floating box:

<a class="special" href="http://www.tuleyome.org/"><span
class="hoverbox">Protecting the Putah &amp; Cach Creeks
Region</span><span class="style3">Tuylome</span></a>

in CSS:
a.special{
position:relative;
}
a.special span.hoverbox{
position:absolute;
left:100%;
top:100%;
width:10em;
background:white;
font-family:Arial,sans-serif;
font-size:75%;
font-weight:bold;
padding:3px;
border:1px solid silver;
display:none;
}
a.special:hover span.hoverbox{
display:block;
}



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DLU wrote:

> One of the Tuleyome committee members asked me to make the link to
> show Tulyeome,

That's a strange request for a misspelling, but the one you use in the
markup snippet is a quite different misspelling (Tuylome). Seriously,
getting the name (and the URL) correctly spelled is far more important than
a play with title attributes.

While we are at the basic issues of communication, you should learn how to
post to Usenet - including Subject lines that make sense, quotations that
quote only the essential part, sig rules, etc. You could start from
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/dont.html

> and could I make it so a mouseover would shoe the
> protecting etc. There should be a way to make a popup but I have
> figured out that one yet.

If you have something relevant to say, say it. Don't hide it in an attribute
of an element. If it's not relevant, don't say it. In a few borderline
cases, the title attribute is useful but only for making it clearer what the
link points to, such as spelling out an abbreviation if you are using an
abbreviation as link text (hopefully for some good reason). Using the title
attribute for advertisements or slogans is just pointless (it does not work)
or worse (causes irritation).

Here's something that makes sense, in a suitable context:

<a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/">Tuleyome</a>, a nonprofit organization
for protecting the Putah Creek and Cache Creek Region

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Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
> DLU wrote:
>
>> One of the Tuleyome committee members asked me to make the link to
>> show Tulyeome,
>
> That's a strange request for a misspelling, but the one you use in the
> markup snippet is a quite different misspelling (Tuylome). Seriously,
> getting the name (and the URL) correctly spelled is far more important
> than a play with title attributes.

Well occasionally some of make mistakes in spelling. I suppose you do
not but my fingers do not always hit the correct keys.
>
> While we are at the basic issues of communication, you should learn how
> to post to Usenet - including Subject lines that make sense, quotations
> that quote only the essential part, sig rules, etc. You could start from
> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/dont.html

I think if you go to:
http://groups.google.com/
An search for The Spammish Inquisition, you will see that I have
probably been posting to USENET at least as long as you, and probably
longer. I am not sure what you are getting at. I asked a simple
question and I got some good answers. Those responders did not seem to
have a problem understanding the question.

domain: tut.fi
descr: Tampereen teknillinen yliopisto
descr: 02459034
address: Tietohallinto/Martti Jokipii
address: PL 692
address: 33101
address: Tampere
phone: +358 3 3115 11
status: Granted
created: 1.1.1991
expires: 31.8.2009
nserver: kaustinen.cc.tut.fi 130.230.102.10 [OK]
nserver: ns-secondary.funet.fi [OK]
nserver: ressu.cc.tut.fi 130.230.24.10 [OK]

Well I guess that is to be expected from your part of the world.
A whole lesson of dont's. Let me give you don't #8, Don't try to tell
the rest of the world how to behave. Learn some positives.

>
>> and could I make it so a mouseover would shoe the
>> protecting etc. There should be a way to make a popup but I have
>> figured out that one yet.
>
> If you have something relevant to say, say it. Don't hide it in an
> attribute of an element. If it's not relevant, don't say it. In a few
> borderline cases, the title attribute is useful but only for making it
> clearer what the link points to, such as spelling out an abbreviation if
> you are using an abbreviation as link text (hopefully for some good
> reason). Using the title attribute for advertisements or slogans is just
> pointless (it does not work) or worse (causes irritation).
>
Excuse me? What the hell are you talking about?
I am working to get the link to look like one of the people in the
organization would like it to look, or at least like she thinks she
would like it to look. If that is what the owner of the site wants, that
is what they will get.

> Here's something that makes sense, in a suitable context:
>
> <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/">Tuleyome</a>, a nonprofit
> organization for protecting the Putah Creek and Cache Creek Region
>


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Els wrote:
> Adrienne Boswell wrote:
>
>> Gazing into my crystal ball I observed DLU <> writing
>> in news:92906$494c48e3$439f9013$:
>>
>>> Adrienne Boswell wrote:
>>>> Gazing into my crystal ball I observed DLU <>
>>>> writing in news:b1500$494c3a30$439f9013$:
>>>>
>>>>> DLU wrote:
>>>>>> <li>
>>>>>> <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/">Saving Putah & Cach Creeks</a>
>>>> </li>
>>>>>> I want to make the link read Tuylome and on a mouse over to show
>>>> Saving
>>>>>> Putah & Cach Creeks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As such:
>>>>>> <li>
>>>>>> <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/">Tuylome</a></li>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mouse over to read Saving Putah & Cach Creeks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will remove the target="_blank" from the surewest site.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well I got it sort of, but do not seem to be able to change the
>>>>> font.
>>>>>
>>>>> <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/" title="Proecting the Putah &amp;
>>>> Cach
>>>>> Creeks Region">
>>>>> <span class="style3">Tuylome</span></a>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If the link is a navigation link, then I think you are all right
>>>> using the title attribute. You cannot change the font, it is part of
>>>> the user's UI.
>>>>
>>>> If the link is not a navigation link, then you should include the
>>>> whole verbiage, eg. <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/">Protecting the
>>>> Putah &amp; Cach Creeks Region</a> . Do not depend on a title
>>>> attribute to attract someone's eye. Additionally, title attributes
>>>> are not picked up as link text by SE's.
>>>>
>>> One of the Tuleyome committee members asked me to make the link to
>>> show Tulyeome, and could I make it so a mouseover would shoe the
>>> protecting etc. There should be a way to make a popup but I have
>>> figured out that one yet.
>>>
>> You need to show the committe member this post. As I said, the title
>> element is not guaranteed to attract someone's attention, and it is not
>> considered link text be search engines (very important). You could
>> maybe do one of those Yahoo style popups, although I find them very
>> annoying and they will not work for users without javascript.

Yes, I will be communicating with he person and letting her see just
what the different links will look like.
>
> Or a CSS style floating box:
>
> <a class="special" href="http://www.tuleyome.org/"><span
> class="hoverbox">Protecting the Putah &amp; Cach Creeks
> Region</span><span class="style3">Tuylome</span></a>
>
> in CSS:
> a.special{
> position:relative;
> }
> a.special span.hoverbox{
> position:absolute;
> left:100%;
> top:100%;
> width:10em;
> background:white;
> font-family:Arial,sans-serif;
> font-size:75%;
> font-weight:bold;
> padding:3px;
> border:1px solid silver;
> display:none;
> }
> a.special:hover span.hoverbox{
> display:block;
> }
Elegant solution. I do not have a handle on hoverboxes yet.
Putting the title in the link gives a small display. I tried a pop up
box but it is really intrusive and it has to be closed.
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Gazing into my crystal ball I observed DLU <> writing
in news:5856a$494d44de$439f9013$:

>> If you have something relevant to say, say it. Don't hide it in an
>> attribute of an element. If it's not relevant, don't say it. In a few
>> borderline cases, the title attribute is useful but only for making
>> it clearer what the link points to, such as spelling out an
>> abbreviation if you are using an abbreviation as link text (hopefully
>> for some good reason). Using the title attribute for advertisements
>> or slogans is just pointless (it does not work) or worse (causes
>> irritation).
>>
> Excuse me? What the hell are you talking about?
> I am working to get the link to look like one of the people in the
> organization would like it to look, or at least like she thinks she
> would like it to look. If that is what the owner of the site wants,
> that is what they will get.
>
>

I said the same thing that Jukka said, if the content is important, do
not depend on a title attribute.

One of your responsibilities as a developer/consultant is to educate
your clients. If a client wants to lay in the roadway during rush hour,
advise against that.

Clearly, this is not that drastic, but, again, a title element is not
going to be picked up by a search engine as link text. The more link
text, the better, within reason, of course. Using javascript will not
work for users with js disabled. You could go the CSS route, but that
will fail for UA's without CSS support, or might not support that CSS.

To quote Jukka:
>> Here's something that makes sense, in a suitable context:
>>
>> <a href="http://www.tuleyome.org/">Tuleyome</a>, a nonprofit
>> organization for protecting the Putah Creek and Cache Creek Region

Take this thread to your client, and advise her of the best way to do
this. Don't let clients lie in the road during rush hour.

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