«

Neredbojias wrote:
>
> But can these pop-up blockers be set to ignore "pop-ups" created by the
> "target=_blank" attribute?

In Seamonkey, yes.

--
Berg

On 2008-12-22, Neredbojias wrote:
....
> But can these pop-up blockers be set to ignore "pop-ups" created by the
> "target=_blank" attribute?

Isn't the primary use of pop-up blockers?

> I know they work on j/s pop-ups

They do?

I think you have it backwards.

> and at least some browsers can be persuaded to open new windows in
> tabs, but how 'bout the first thing?


--
Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster <http://Woodbine-Gerrard.com>
================================================== =================
Author:
Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:24:58 +0000 (UTC), Neredbojias
<> wrote:

>On 19 Dec 2008, (Raymond Schmit) wrote:
>
>>>> Also, there may be other legitimate reasons for having a link open
>>>> in a second window. I find it odd, that not provision has been
>>>> made for that.
>>>
>>>Well, if the majority of your users like it, so be it. However,
>>>believe me when I say the majority of most people don't.
>>
>> The best way of solving this issue, is that the browser must be able
>> with a right-clik on the link to propose:
>> Open in the same window if the "_blank" option is used
>> Open in a new window if the "_blank" option is not used
>
>Why not make browsers ignore the target attribute altogether? I believe
>most (maybe all) modern browsers already have the "open in a new window"
>option available in the right-click context menu already. -Or at least
>have a "preferences" setting which allows ignoring targets.

Yes .... but why not having also the "open in the same window"
option. ?

Raymond Schmit wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:24:58 +0000 (UTC), Neredbojias
> <> wrote:
>
>> most (maybe all) modern browsers already have the "open in a new window"
>> option available in the right-click context menu already.
>
> Yes .... but why not having also the "open in the same window"
> option. ?

Seamonkey has that option.

--
Berg

On 22 Dec 2008, Bergamot <> wrote:

> Neredbojias wrote:
>>
>> But can these pop-up blockers be set to ignore "pop-ups" created by the
>> "target=_blank" attribute?
>
> In Seamonkey, yes.

Okay. I have SM so I'll try it, and in FF, too.

--
Neredbojias
http://www.neredbojias.org/
http://www.neredbojias.net/

On 22 Dec 2008, "Chris F.A. Johnson" <> wrote:

> On 2008-12-22, Neredbojias wrote:
> ...
>> But can these pop-up blockers be set to ignore "pop-ups" created by
>> the "target=_blank" attribute?
>
> Isn't the primary use of pop-up blockers?

Not in my setup. Right now, target=_blank still opens a new window (I
have tabs disabled) whereas at least some j/s doesn't.

>> I know they work on j/s pop-ups
>
> They do?
>
> I think you have it backwards.
>
>> and at least some browsers can be persuaded to open new windows in
>> tabs, but how 'bout the first thing?

I'll look into the target thing and let you know.

--
Neredbojias
http://www.neredbojias.org/
http://www.neredbojias.net/

On 22 Dec 2008, (Raymond Schmit) wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:24:58 +0000 (UTC), Neredbojias
> <> wrote:
>
>>On 19 Dec 2008, (Raymond Schmit) wrote:
>>
>>>>> Also, there may be other legitimate reasons for having a link
>>>>> open in a second window. I find it odd, that not provision has
>>>>> been made for that.
>>>>
>>>>Well, if the majority of your users like it, so be it. However,
>>>>believe me when I say the majority of most people don't.
>>>
>>> The best way of solving this issue, is that the browser must be
>>> able with a right-clik on the link to propose:
>>> Open in the same window if the "_blank" option is used
>>> Open in a new window if the "_blank" option is not used
>>
>>Why not make browsers ignore the target attribute altogether? I
>>believe most (maybe all) modern browsers already have the "open in a
>>new window" option available in the right-click context menu already.
>> -Or at least have a "preferences" setting which allows ignoring
>>targets.
>
> Yes .... but why not having also the "open in the same window"
> option. ?

It wouldn't be needed if the browser couldn't open a page in another
window except by direct command. And that _is_ what I'm advocating.

--
Neredbojias
http://www.neredbojias.org/
http://www.neredbojias.net/

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:46:47 +0000 (UTC), Neredbojias
<> wrote:

>On 22 Dec 2008, (Raymond Schmit) wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:24:58 +0000 (UTC), Neredbojias
>> <> wrote:
>>
>>>On 19 Dec 2008, (Raymond Schmit) wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Also, there may be other legitimate reasons for having a link
>>>>>> open in a second window. I find it odd, that not provision has
>>>>>> been made for that.
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, if the majority of your users like it, so be it. However,
>>>>>believe me when I say the majority of most people don't.
>>>>
>>>> The best way of solving this issue, is that the browser must be
>>>> able with a right-clik on the link to propose:
>>>> Open in the same window if the "_blank" option is used
>>>> Open in a new window if the "_blank" option is not used
>>>
>>>Why not make browsers ignore the target attribute altogether? I
>>>believe most (maybe all) modern browsers already have the "open in a
>>>new window" option available in the right-click context menu already.
>>> -Or at least have a "preferences" setting which allows ignoring
>>>targets.
>>
>> Yes .... but why not having also the "open in the same window"
>> option. ?
>
>It wouldn't be needed if the browser couldn't open a page in another
>window except by direct command. And that _is_ what I'm advocating.

Yes .... but sometimes, it's perfectly a good solution to
automatically open in a new window ... A webmaster permit me to add a
page in his site if a agreed that he will put a link of my page which
will be opened in a new window. and i agreed with him, that's a very
good solution ... Otherwise you may have a site inside a site, with é
menus...

On 24 Dec 2008, (Raymond Schmit) wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:46:47 +0000 (UTC), Neredbojias
> <> wrote:
>
>>On 22 Dec 2008, (Raymond Schmit) wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:24:58 +0000 (UTC), Neredbojias
>>> <> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 19 Dec 2008, (Raymond Schmit) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, there may be other legitimate reasons for having a link
>>>>>>> open in a second window. I find it odd, that not provision has
>>>>>>> been made for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, if the majority of your users like it, so be it. However,
>>>>>>believe me when I say the majority of most people don't.
>>>>>
>>>>> The best way of solving this issue, is that the browser must be
>>>>> able with a right-clik on the link to propose:
>>>>> Open in the same window if the "_blank" option is used
>>>>> Open in a new window if the "_blank" option is not used
>>>>
>>>>Why not make browsers ignore the target attribute altogether? I
>>>>believe most (maybe all) modern browsers already have the "open in
>>>>a new window" option available in the right-click context menu
>>>>already.
>>>> -Or at least have a "preferences" setting which allows ignoring
>>>>targets.
>>>
>>> Yes .... but why not having also the "open in the same window"
>>> option. ?
>>
>>It wouldn't be needed if the browser couldn't open a page in another
>>window except by direct command. And that _is_ what I'm advocating.
>
> Yes .... but sometimes, it's perfectly a good solution to
> automatically open in a new window ...

A good "solution" for who? Certainly not the user who isn't aware of
every site's particular "automatics".

> A webmaster permit me to add a
> page in his site if a agreed that he will put a link of my page which
> will be opened in a new window. and i agreed with him, that's a very
> good solution ... Otherwise you may have a site inside a site, with é
> menus...

A non-new window doesn't equate to a site-inside-a-site at all; that
might be iframes and objects - possibly. I do admit that a new window
can be advantageous in allowing the user to have 2 (or more) windows,
old & "new", open simultaneously, but the option should be exercised at
his discretion only, not at the whim of some dubious webmaster. In my
opinion, a link should _always_ open in the main navigation stream
_unless_ the user and only the user opts otherwise.

Possibly a case could be made for having a preferences setting
dictating all windows be new and then having the context-menu override
for "same window", but that's stretching it a bit, no?

--
Neredbojias
http://www.neredbojias.org/
http://www.neredbojias.net/
The road to Heaven is paved with bad intentions.

On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 23:25:17 +0000 (UTC), Neredbojias
<> wrote:

>On 24 Dec 2008, (Raymond Schmit) wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:46:47 +0000 (UTC), Neredbojias
>> <> wrote:
>>
>>>On 22 Dec 2008, (Raymond Schmit) wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:24:58 +0000 (UTC), Neredbojias
>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 19 Dec 2008, (Raymond Schmit) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, there may be other legitimate reasons for having a link
>>>>>>>> open in a second window. I find it odd, that not provision has
>>>>>>>> been made for that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, if the majority of your users like it, so be it. However,
>>>>>>>believe me when I say the majority of most people don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The best way of solving this issue, is that the browser must be
>>>>>> able with a right-clik on the link to propose:
>>>>>> Open in the same window if the "_blank" option is used
>>>>>> Open in a new window if the "_blank" option is not used
>>>>>
>>>>>Why not make browsers ignore the target attribute altogether? I
>>>>>believe most (maybe all) modern browsers already have the "open in
>>>>>a new window" option available in the right-click context menu
>>>>>already.
>>>>> -Or at least have a "preferences" setting which allows ignoring
>>>>>targets.
>>>>
>>>> Yes .... but why not having also the "open in the same window"
>>>> option. ?
>>>
>>>It wouldn't be needed if the browser couldn't open a page in another
>>>window except by direct command. And that _is_ what I'm advocating.
>>
>> Yes .... but sometimes, it's perfectly a good solution to
>> automatically open in a new window ...
>
>A good "solution" for who? Certainly not the user who isn't aware of
>every site's particular "automatics".
>
>> A webmaster permit me to add a
>> page in his site if a agreed that he will put a link of my page which
>> will be opened in a new window. and i agreed with him, that's a very
>> good solution ... Otherwise you may have a site inside a site, with é
>> menus...
>
>A non-new window doesn't equate to a site-inside-a-site at all; that
>might be iframes and objects - possibly. I do admit that a new window
>can be advantageous in allowing the user to have 2 (or more) windows,
>old & "new", open simultaneously, but the option should be exercised at
>his discretion only, not at the whim of some dubious webmaster. In my
>opinion, a link should _always_ open in the main navigation stream
>_unless_ the user and only the user opts otherwise.
>
>Possibly a case could be made for having a preferences setting
>dictating all windows be new and then having the context-menu override
>for "same window", but that's stretching it a bit, no?


Ok, i shoud say that you are true .... but try to :

1. Go to http://www.lesvieillesbranches.c.la/
2. Click on the menu at "NATURANDO"
3. Then on the main frame, click on: Cliquer ici pour visiter le site
de h t t p://www.naturando.be

The result is very bad ...