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Els wrote:
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> On 17 Dec 2008, Els <> wrote:
>>
>>> Tim Greer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Same for OE, who uses OE these days,
>>> I do. I have HTML disabled, and it works perfectly. Yes I've tried
>>> Thunderbird, but it has a couple of downsides that OE doesn't have.
>>> OE's downsides are cured with Quotefix.
>>
>> What downsides?
>
> Of OE, or Thunderbird?
>

Of Thunderbird, I can tell you downsides of OE which Quotefix doesn't fix...

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Jonathan N. Little wrote:

> Els wrote:
>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>
>>> On 17 Dec 2008, Els <> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tim Greer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Same for OE, who uses OE these days,
>>>> I do. I have HTML disabled, and it works perfectly. Yes I've tried
>>>> Thunderbird, but it has a couple of downsides that OE doesn't have.
>>>> OE's downsides are cured with Quotefix.
>>>
>>> What downsides?
>>
>> Of OE, or Thunderbird?
>
> Of Thunderbird,

I've downloaded and installed TB again today, just to see if anything
had changed since I checked last time, and that appears to be the
case. My main gripe was that when replying back and forth a couple of
times, the skipped lines between the replies were adding every time.
Start with one skipped line, reply, and it has become 2 lines, reply
again, and there's a space of 3 lines.

They seem to have solved that now, and it now only looks like lines
are added. The space still gets larger, but it's not an actual empty
line, but merely a visual thing - the larger the indent for replied to
text, the larger also the distance vertically.

I prefer regular indent markers. When composing without HTML, it looks
fine, regular markers for replied to text, with an added marker for
each level. But when reading received email, even in plain text, the
markers are gone and instead there's coloured vertical lines. Somehow
they don't behave logical to me, I really prefer the OE-Quotefix
system.

> I can tell you downsides of OE which Quotefix doesn't fix...

I don't doubt that
But they're probably downsides that don't effect me - I have no
problem at all with OE/Quotefix.

I do know one advantage of Thunderbird that OE doesn't have, which I
might use once in a while if I'd use TB: the portable version - load
TB on a USB stick, and have access to your email regardless of which
computer you're on. Not important enough to me to switch though.

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Els wrote:


> I prefer regular indent markers. When composing without HTML, it looks
> fine, regular markers for replied to text, with an added marker for
> each level. But when reading received email, even in plain text, the
> markers are gone and instead there's coloured vertical lines. Somehow
> they don't behave logical to me, I really prefer the OE-Quotefix
> system.

I use SeaMonkey so advance settings with about:config are simple, but
editing the pref.js you can customize Gecko...

pref("mail.quoted_graphical", false);

Bookmark this useful resource

http://www.geocities.com/pratiksolanki/
Hidden Mozilla/Firefox/Thunderbird Prefs

>
>> I can tell you downsides of OE which Quotefix doesn't fix...
>
> I don't doubt that
> But they're probably downsides that don't effect me - I have no
> problem at all with OE/Quotefix.

OE use to store all accounts in a single Global Inbox, I assume they
still do, since now TB defaults to this Global Inbox option, but you can
easily change this behavior. I have 5 accounts, I do not want everything
in one pile...makes finding things a pain. Never understood MS "dump
everything in one pile" philosophy. If you separate and organize your
data it makes finding stuff *much* easier. I have over 600GB disk space
on my workstation and over a 1/3 is used and I have no trouble finding a
file. Latest patch tried to push that Desktop Search on me. I tested
it...what crap, doesn't beat good old hierarchical folders and a logical
filing scheme! In fact I miss old W2K search. I've hacked XP's to get it
close, but W2K's was much faster especially when searching file content.

Did they ever fix the OE problem with large Inboxes? If a folder got
more than X# of message OE would bog down and searching was painfully
slow. I have keep all my messages...since old NN Communicator days.
Messages are stored in large text files I have never had trouble
transferring or rescuing messages.

I have rescued and recovered messages from client's failing hard drives.
Folks that corrupted their filesystems or profiles and you can still
piece together mailboxes. Even if folks delete messages but haven't
compressed the folder yet I have Perl scripts to recover the messages,
you can also do this with a good text editor. OE binary format is not so
flexible...

>
> I do know one advantage of Thunderbird that OE doesn't have, which I
> might use once in a while if I'd use TB: the portable version - load
> TB on a USB stick, and have access to your email regardless of which
> computer you're on. Not important enough to me to switch though.
>


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In article <3213b$494926ef$40cba7a8$>,
"Jonathan N. Little" <> wrote:

> Els wrote:
>
>
> > I prefer regular indent markers. When composing without HTML, it looks
> > fine, regular markers for replied to text, with an added marker for
> > each level. But when reading received email, even in plain text, the
> > markers are gone and instead there's coloured vertical lines. Somehow
> > they don't behave logical to me, I really prefer the OE-Quotefix
> > system.
>
> I use SeaMonkey so advance settings with about:config are simple, but
> editing the pref.js you can customize Gecko...
>
> pref("mail.quoted_graphical", false);
>
> Bookmark this useful resource
>
> http://www.geocities.com/pratiksolanki/
> Hidden Mozilla/Firefox/Thunderbird Prefs
>
> >
> >> I can tell you downsides of OE which Quotefix doesn't fix...
> >
> > I don't doubt that
> > But they're probably downsides that don't effect me - I have no
> > problem at all with OE/Quotefix.
>
> OE use to store all accounts in a single Global Inbox, I assume they
> still do, since now TB defaults to this Global Inbox option, but you can
> easily change this behavior. I have 5 accounts, I do not want everything
> in one pile...makes finding things a pain. Never understood MS "dump
> everything in one pile" philosophy. If you separate and organize your
> data it makes finding stuff *much* easier. I have over 600GB disk space
> on my workstation and over a 1/3 is used and I have no trouble finding a
> file. Latest patch tried to push that Desktop Search on me. I tested
> it...what crap, doesn't beat good old hierarchical folders and a logical
> filing scheme! In fact I miss old W2K search. I've hacked XP's to get it
> close, but W2K's was much faster especially when searching file content.
>
> Did they ever fix the OE problem with large Inboxes? If a folder got
> more than X# of message OE would bog down and searching was painfully
> slow. I have keep all my messages...since old NN Communicator days.
> Messages are stored in large text files I have never had trouble
> transferring or rescuing messages.
>
> I have rescued and recovered messages from client's failing hard drives.
> Folks that corrupted their filesystems or profiles and you can still
> piece together mailboxes. Even if folks delete messages but haven't
> compressed the folder yet I have Perl scripts to recover the messages,
> you can also do this with a good text editor. OE binary format is not so
> flexible...
>
> >
> > I do know one advantage of Thunderbird that OE doesn't have, which I
> > might use once in a while if I'd use TB: the portable version - load
> > TB on a USB stick, and have access to your email regardless of which
> > computer you're on. Not important enough to me to switch though.
> >

Personally I use Eudora - it has so many features missing on the likes
of Thunderbird.

Tim Streater wrote:

> Personally I use Eudora - it has so many features missing on the likes
> of Thunderbird.

Do remember that both Firefox and Thunderbird are "strip down" by
default. If you want features, add what you need via extensions. It is
intended to be counter to the MS "everything AND the kitchen sink"
hogware...


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Jonathan
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In article <19ca5$49493491$40cba7a8$>,
"Jonathan N. Little" <> wrote:

> Tim Streater wrote:
>
> > Personally I use Eudora - it has so many features missing on the likes
> > of Thunderbird.
>
> Do remember that both Firefox and Thunderbird are "strip down" by
> default. If you want features, add what you need via extensions. It is
> intended to be counter to the MS "everything AND the kitchen sink"
> hogware...

Good policy, but can I get tabs, ability to edit received mails, and the
Fcc: feature? Well, perhaps I will via Penelope.

Els wrote:

> Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>
>> Els wrote:
>>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 17 Dec 2008, Els <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tim Greer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Same for OE, who uses OE these days,
>>>>> I do. I have HTML disabled, and it works perfectly. Yes I've tried
>>>>> Thunderbird, but it has a couple of downsides that OE doesn't have.
>>>>> OE's downsides are cured with Quotefix.
>>>>
>>>> What downsides?
>>>
>>> Of OE, or Thunderbird?
>>
>> Of Thunderbird,
>
> I've downloaded and installed TB again today, just to see if anything had
> changed since I checked last time, and that appears to be the case. My
> main gripe was that when replying back and forth a couple of times, the
> skipped lines between the replies were adding every time. Start with one
> skipped line, reply, and it has become 2 lines, reply again, and there's a
> space of 3 lines.
>
> They seem to have solved that now, and it now only looks like lines are
> added. The space still gets larger, but it's not an actual empty line, but
> merely a visual thing - the larger the indent for replied to text, the
> larger also the distance vertically.
>
> I prefer regular indent markers. When composing without HTML, it looks
> fine, regular markers for replied to text, with an added marker for each
> level. But when reading received email, even in plain text, the markers
> are gone and instead there's coloured vertical lines.

The QuoteColors extension allows you to toggle the vertical lines off and
get back to the ">" indicators. Are you aware that there are tons of
extensions available for customizing TB, just as there are for FF?

TB isn't my preferred mail/news client (I don't care for combo clients
like that in the first place). But the fact remains that it's *highly*
customizable.


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Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <19ca5$49493491$40cba7a8$>,
> "Jonathan N. Little" <> wrote:
>
>> Tim Streater wrote:
>>
>>> Personally I use Eudora - it has so many features missing on the likes
>>> of Thunderbird.
>> Do remember that both Firefox and Thunderbird are "strip down" by
>> default. If you want features, add what you need via extensions. It is
>> intended to be counter to the MS "everything AND the kitchen sink"
>> hogware...
>
> Good policy, but can I get tabs,

Look like it is in the works...

http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/t...arns-its-tabs/
Thunderbird earns its tabs - Mozilla Links

Also there may be an extension, new extensions are always being added...


> ability to edit received mails,

Not sure what you mean here? (right-click>Edit as new)?

> and the Fcc: feature?

What is Fcc: ?

> Well, perhaps I will via Penelope.


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Jonathan
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Els wrote:

>> Same for OE, who uses OE these days,
>
> I do. I have HTML disabled, and it works perfectly.

Just "disabling HTML" doesn't save you from exploits when there's a new
exploit in OE. If you keep it up to date, you'll probably be okay
though (of course, that goes for pretty much anything).
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Tim Streater wrote:

> Fcc: feature?

Just looked up FCC, do you me File Carbon Copy? If so, TB as all
predecessors back to Netscape have had the "Sent" folder by default that
supplies this function, unless I am missing something here.

If you try FF or TB and "Great, but I wish..." then check out the
extensions. Chances are someone else has also felt the same and also
took the time to create an extension to fulfill the need.


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