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javelin
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      12-08-2008
I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
this?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Tony Sperling
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      12-08-2008
Anything that uses a 16bit installer will not [install], and missing 64bit
driver support will not [run] - the installer you can circumvent, you could
move an installed copy from a 32bit system over onto your 64bit system, but
you will probably experience trouble with the Registry.

Frankly: don't you think you need a modern version? Since you know you want
the product, the expense should be 'worth it'.


Tony. . .



"javelin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
> system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
> on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
> compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
> get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
> version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
> this?
>
> Thanks in advance.



 
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Charlie Russel - MVP
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      12-08-2008
Many older 32-bit programs used a 16 bit installer, and even those that
didn't have other limitations such as hard coded version dependencies. The
easiest workaround is as Stefan suggests - run the application in a virtual
machine on your Vista 64 box. There are some limitations, but it's still a
quite viable workaround. If you _need_ direct USB support for the
application, you will have to chose a non-Microsoft virtualization solution
such as VMWare. But otherwise, Virtual PC is a good choice.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"javelin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
> system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
> on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
> compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
> get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
> version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
> this?
>
> Thanks in advance.


 
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miso@sushi.com
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      12-09-2008
On Dec 8, 7:03*am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Many older 32-bit programs used a 16 bit installer, and even those that
> didn't have other limitations such as hard coded version dependencies. The
> easiest workaround is as Stefan suggests - run the application in a virtual
> machine on your Vista 64 box. There are some limitations, but it's still a
> quite viable workaround. If you _need_ direct USB support for the
> application, you will have to chose a non-Microsoft virtualization solution
> such as VMWare. But otherwise, Virtual PC is a good choice.
>
> --
> Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http...charlie.russel
>
> "javelin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> >I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
> > system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
> > on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
> > compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
> > get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
> > version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
> > this?

>
> > Thanks in advance.


I just ran into the same problem. [Pretty good considering the number
of years I have run X64.] I noticed older posts on this newsgroup
referred to "wininstall" . There is now a free LE (lame edition).
Howeve, my 16 bit app is not a .msi, but a .exe. I'm not sure how to
get the program into wininstall.

I tried dosbox and the window just shut down. When I tried the program
on an old win2kpro machine, the program complained that there wasn't
enough memory.

I believe the program is 32 bits, but the installer is 16 bits. Is
there some manner that I could request the program such that I could
install it by hand?

This is the program in question:
<http://www.cosmic.com.au/acarsanalys...nloadRegister/
download.asp>
 
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Charlie Russel - MVP
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      12-09-2008

You're pretty much on your own with this. You can try contacting the
manufacturer/developer, but IME that's rarely going to lead to much. Failing
that, you can install the app in a 32-bit OS, capturing all the registry
changes and locations. Move the program to your 64-bit machine, and make the
necessary registry changes. BUT, keep in mind that there is both file system
and registry path redirection going on, making this not nearly as clean as
you might want.

Or just run it in a VM. Seriously, anything that will run on Windows 2000 or
Windows XP would likely run in a smallish VM of ~256 Mb of RAM or even less.
And if it will run in Win9x, you can run a tiny VM.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
On Dec 8, 7:03 am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Many older 32-bit programs used a 16 bit installer, and even those that
> didn't have other limitations such as hard coded version dependencies. The
> easiest workaround is as Stefan suggests - run the application in a
> virtual
> machine on your Vista 64 box. There are some limitations, but it's still a
> quite viable workaround. If you _need_ direct USB support for the
> application, you will have to chose a non-Microsoft virtualization
> solution
> such as VMWare. But otherwise, Virtual PC is a good choice.
>
> --
> Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http...charlie.russel
>
> "javelin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> >I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
> > system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
> > on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
> > compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
> > get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
> > version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
> > this?

>
> > Thanks in advance.


I just ran into the same problem. [Pretty good considering the number
of years I have run X64.] I noticed older posts on this newsgroup
referred to "wininstall" . There is now a free LE (lame edition).
Howeve, my 16 bit app is not a .msi, but a .exe. I'm not sure how to
get the program into wininstall.

I tried dosbox and the window just shut down. When I tried the program
on an old win2kpro machine, the program complained that there wasn't
enough memory.

I believe the program is 32 bits, but the installer is 16 bits. Is
there some manner that I could request the program such that I could
install it by hand?

This is the program in question:
<http://www.cosmic.com.au/acarsanalys...nloadRegister/
download.asp>

 
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miso@sushi.com
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      12-09-2008
On Dec 9, 6:34*am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> You're pretty much on your own with this. You can try contacting the
> manufacturer/developer, but IME that's rarely going to lead to much. Failing
> that, you can install the app in a 32-bit OS, capturing all the registry
> changes and locations. Move the program to your 64-bit machine, and make the
> necessary registry changes. BUT, keep in mind that there is both file system
> and registry path redirection going on, making this not nearly as clean as
> you might want.
>
> Or just run it in a VM. Seriously, anything that will run on Windows 2000 or
> Windows XP would likely run in a smallish VM of ~256 Mb of RAM or even less.
> And if it will run in Win9x, you can run a tiny VM.
>
> --
> Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http...charlie.russel
>
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Dec 8, 7:03 am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
>
>
>
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > Many older 32-bit programs used a 16 bit installer, and even those that
> > didn't have other limitations such as hard coded version dependencies. The
> > easiest workaround is as Stefan suggests - run the application in a
> > virtual
> > machine on your Vista 64 box. There are some limitations, but it's still a
> > quite viable workaround. If you _need_ direct USB support for the
> > application, you will have to chose a non-Microsoft virtualization
> > solution
> > such as VMWare. But otherwise, Virtual PC is a good choice.

>
> > --
> > Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http...osoft.com/prof...

>
> > "javelin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message

>
> >news:(E-Mail Removed)....

>
> > >I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
> > > system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
> > > on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
> > > compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
> > > get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
> > > version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
> > > this?

>
> > > Thanks in advance.

>
> I just ran into the same problem. [Pretty good considering the number
> of years I have run X64.] I noticed older posts on this newsgroup
> referred to "wininstall" . There is now a free LE (lame edition).
> Howeve, my 16 bit app is not a .msi, but a .exe. I'm not sure how to
> get the program into wininstall.
>
> I tried dosbox and the window just shut down. When I tried the program
> on an old win2kpro machine, the program complained that there wasn't
> enough memory.
>
> I believe the program is 32 bits, but the installer is 16 bits. Is
> there some manner that I could request the program such that I could
> install it by hand?
>
> This is the program in question:
> <http://www.cosmic.com.au/acarsanalys...nloadRegister/
> download.asp>


This is what I got from the author of the program:

It is built using a program called Setup Specialist. It offers 16 and
32 bit Operating Systems, all of my installations are done as a 32 bit
system, so am a bit surprised. I had a look on their site and there is
no mention of 64 bit system, but as you say it should install as a 32
bit program.

I already tried the install on win2kpro. The complaint was a lack of
memory. Is there a way to disassemble an .exe. file?
 
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Charlie Russel - MVP
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      12-09-2008

I'd wager it may be targetted at 32-bit, but clearly has some 16 bit code in
it.

Not sure why it's complaining about Win2k. It shouldn't. I'm assuming it was
at least a 128 Mb Windows 2000 system.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
On Dec 9, 6:34 am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> You're pretty much on your own with this. You can try contacting the
> manufacturer/developer, but IME that's rarely going to lead to much.
> Failing
> that, you can install the app in a 32-bit OS, capturing all the registry
> changes and locations. Move the program to your 64-bit machine, and make
> the
> necessary registry changes. BUT, keep in mind that there is both file
> system
> and registry path redirection going on, making this not nearly as clean as
> you might want.
>
> Or just run it in a VM. Seriously, anything that will run on Windows 2000
> or
> Windows XP would likely run in a smallish VM of ~256 Mb of RAM or even
> less.
> And if it will run in Win9x, you can run a tiny VM.
>
> --
> Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http...charlie.russel
>
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Dec 8, 7:03 am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
>
>
>
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > Many older 32-bit programs used a 16 bit installer, and even those that
> > didn't have other limitations such as hard coded version dependencies.
> > The
> > easiest workaround is as Stefan suggests - run the application in a
> > virtual
> > machine on your Vista 64 box. There are some limitations, but it's still
> > a
> > quite viable workaround. If you _need_ direct USB support for the
> > application, you will have to chose a non-Microsoft virtualization
> > solution
> > such as VMWare. But otherwise, Virtual PC is a good choice.

>
> > --
> > Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http...osoft.com/prof...

>
> > "javelin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message

>
> >news:(E-Mail Removed)...

>
> > >I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
> > > system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
> > > on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
> > > compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
> > > get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
> > > version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
> > > this?

>
> > > Thanks in advance.

>
> I just ran into the same problem. [Pretty good considering the number
> of years I have run X64.] I noticed older posts on this newsgroup
> referred to "wininstall" . There is now a free LE (lame edition).
> Howeve, my 16 bit app is not a .msi, but a .exe. I'm not sure how to
> get the program into wininstall.
>
> I tried dosbox and the window just shut down. When I tried the program
> on an old win2kpro machine, the program complained that there wasn't
> enough memory.
>
> I believe the program is 32 bits, but the installer is 16 bits. Is
> there some manner that I could request the program such that I could
> install it by hand?
>
> This is the program in question:
> <http://www.cosmic.com.au/acarsanalys...nloadRegister/
> download.asp>


This is what I got from the author of the program:

It is built using a program called Setup Specialist. It offers 16 and
32 bit Operating Systems, all of my installations are done as a 32 bit
system, so am a bit surprised. I had a look on their site and there is
no mention of 64 bit system, but as you say it should install as a 32
bit program.

I already tried the install on win2kpro. The complaint was a lack of
memory. Is there a way to disassemble an .exe. file?

 
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javelin
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      12-10-2008
On Dec 8, 9:03*am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Many older 32-bit programs used a 16 bit installer, and even those that
> didn't have other limitations such as hard coded version dependencies. The
> easiest workaround is as Stefan suggests - run the application in a virtual
> machine on your Vista 64 box. There are some limitations, but it's still a
> quite viable workaround. If you _need_ direct USB support for the
> application, you will have to chose a non-Microsoft virtualization solution
> such as VMWare. But otherwise, Virtual PC is a good choice.
>
> --
> Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http...charlie.russel
>
> "javelin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> >I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
> > system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
> > on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
> > compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
> > get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
> > version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
> > this?

>
> > Thanks in advance.


Thanks Stefan and Charlie, however, I can't get this to install on the
Virtual PC either. I don't know about VMware, but I'm guessing the
same problem will occur if it has anything to do with the graphics
card. I understand that the graphics card features are not
transferable to the VM box. I'd get the latest software version, but
that will have to wait a while.

Thanks again.
J
 
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Charlie Russel - MVP
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      12-10-2008
The virtualized graphics card is pretty limited in a VM. If your program is
requiring high end graphics, virtualization isn't a solution.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"javelin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
On Dec 8, 9:03 am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Many older 32-bit programs used a 16 bit installer, and even those that
> didn't have other limitations such as hard coded version dependencies. The
> easiest workaround is as Stefan suggests - run the application in a
> virtual
> machine on your Vista 64 box. There are some limitations, but it's still a
> quite viable workaround. If you _need_ direct USB support for the
> application, you will have to chose a non-Microsoft virtualization
> solution
> such as VMWare. But otherwise, Virtual PC is a good choice.
>
> --
> Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http...charlie.russel
>
> "javelin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> >I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
> > system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
> > on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
> > compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
> > get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
> > version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
> > this?

>
> > Thanks in advance.


Thanks Stefan and Charlie, however, I can't get this to install on the
Virtual PC either. I don't know about VMware, but I'm guessing the
same problem will occur if it has anything to do with the graphics
card. I understand that the graphics card features are not
transferable to the VM box. I'd get the latest software version, but
that will have to wait a while.

Thanks again.
J

 
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miso@sushi.com
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      12-10-2008
On Dec 9, 4:26*pm, javelin <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> On Dec 8, 9:03*am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
>
>
>
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > Many older 32-bit programs used a 16 bit installer, and even those that
> > didn't have other limitations such as hard coded version dependencies. The
> > easiest workaround is as Stefan suggests - run the application in a virtual
> > machine on your Vista 64 box. There are some limitations, but it's still a
> > quite viable workaround. If you _need_ direct USB support for the
> > application, you will have to chose a non-Microsoft virtualization solution
> > such as VMWare. But otherwise, Virtual PC is a good choice.

>
> > --
> > Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http...osoft.com/prof...

>
> > "javelin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message

>
> >news:(E-Mail Removed)....

>
> > >I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
> > > system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
> > > on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
> > > compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
> > > get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
> > > version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
> > > this?

>
> > > Thanks in advance.

>
> Thanks Stefan and Charlie, however, I can't get this to install on the
> Virtual PC either. I don't know about VMware, but I'm guessing the
> same problem will occur if it has anything to do with the graphics
> card. I understand that the graphics card features are not
> transferable to the VM box. I'd get the latest software version, but
> that will have to wait a while.
>
> Thanks again.
> J


I thought VMWare has it's own drivers.

I tried Virtual PC once and got the feeling it was something MS bought
but never fertilized.
 
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