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~misfit~ wrote:

> LOL. As someone who's never run ME but has found it useful (running a hybrid
> OS on a 400MHz laptop of 98SE / ME called 98SE2ME:
> http://www.msfn.org/board/98SE2ME-Ki...em-t46349.html) I'd have said
> Vista. I've yet to hear of a use for it, something that it does better than
> any other MS OS. (Oh, DX10 I guess... Shouldn't be long until that's
> hacked.)

Vista is better then XP IMO, so long as the hardware is up to it.

Better start menu is a huge bonus, XPs one with either scrolling thru a
massive list or having it arrive in 5 columns was a joke.

Also vista seems to be more responsive when actually using it, can
switch windows just fine while waiting for something else to come out of
swap to the front that I havent used for a few days, XP would just turn
on the hdd light and sit there ignoring clicks anywhere till it was done
with unswapping out whatever I had clicked on.

Somewhere on teh intarwebs "" typed:
> ~misfit~ wrote:
>
>> LOL. As someone who's never run ME but has found it useful (running
>> a hybrid OS on a 400MHz laptop of 98SE / ME called 98SE2ME:
>> http://www.msfn.org/board/98SE2ME-Ki...em-t46349.html) I'd
>> have said Vista. I've yet to hear of a use for it, something that it
>> does better than any other MS OS. (Oh, DX10 I guess... Shouldn't be
>> long until that's hacked.)
>
> Vista is better then XP IMO, so long as the hardware is up to it.
>
> Better start menu is a huge bonus, XPs one with either scrolling thru
> a massive list or having it arrive in 5 columns was a joke.
>
> Also vista seems to be more responsive when actually using it, can
> switch windows just fine while waiting for something else to come out
> of swap to the front that I havent used for a few days, XP would just
> turn on the hdd light and sit there ignoring clicks anywhere till it
> was done with unswapping out whatever I had clicked on.

I've always been inclined to throw money at hardware rather than software so
usually have lots of RAM, often turning swap off. (With RAM at ~$30 / GB if
you shop around (~$40 for laptops) I don't see the point in allowing all
that swapping.) Ergo I don't see the phenomena that you refer to.

Cheers,
--
Shaun.

~misfit~ wrote:

>> Also vista seems to be more responsive when actually using it, can
>> switch windows just fine while waiting for something else to come out
>> of swap to the front that I havent used for a few days, XP would just
>> turn on the hdd light and sit there ignoring clicks anywhere till it
>> was done with unswapping out whatever I had clicked on.
>
> I've always been inclined to throw money at hardware rather than software so
> usually have lots of RAM, often turning swap off. (With RAM at ~$30 / GB if
> you shop around (~$40 for laptops) I don't see the point in allowing all
> that swapping.) Ergo I don't see the phenomena that you refer to.

Sadly it is only that price up to 8 gigs, and if I want to eliminate
swapping altogether I would need to spend a crapload more on ram, or
start to close applications when I am not using them. IME its faster to
have a photoshop that has swapped out and not being used for 2 weeks
come back then it is to open it fresh.

On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:19:50 +1300, "~misfit~" <>
wrote:

>Somewhere on teh intarwebs "" typed:
>> ~misfit~ wrote:
>>
>>> LOL. As someone who's never run ME but has found it useful (running
>>> a hybrid OS on a 400MHz laptop of 98SE / ME called 98SE2ME:
>>> http://www.msfn.org/board/98SE2ME-Ki...em-t46349.html) I'd
>>> have said Vista. I've yet to hear of a use for it, something that it
>>> does better than any other MS OS. (Oh, DX10 I guess... Shouldn't be
>>> long until that's hacked.)
>>
>> Vista is better then XP IMO, so long as the hardware is up to it.
>>
>> Better start menu is a huge bonus, XPs one with either scrolling thru
>> a massive list or having it arrive in 5 columns was a joke.
>>
>> Also vista seems to be more responsive when actually using it, can
>> switch windows just fine while waiting for something else to come out
>> of swap to the front that I havent used for a few days, XP would just
>> turn on the hdd light and sit there ignoring clicks anywhere till it
>> was done with unswapping out whatever I had clicked on.
>
>I've always been inclined to throw money at hardware rather than software so
>usually have lots of RAM, often turning swap off. (With RAM at ~$30 / GB if
>you shop around (~$40 for laptops) I don't see the point in allowing all
>that swapping.) Ergo I don't see the phenomena that you refer to.
>
>Cheers,

If you did video with its GiB size files, even with lots of RAM I
would expect that you would have met the problem in XP. XP's caching
is so bad that it happily swaps out programs in order to cache a large
file.

On 2008-12-04, ~misfit~ <> wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs "" typed:
>> ~misfit~ wrote:
>>
>>> LOL. As someone who's never run ME but has found it useful (running
>>> a hybrid OS on a 400MHz laptop of 98SE / ME called 98SE2ME:
>>> http://www.msfn.org/board/98SE2ME-Ki...em-t46349.html) I'd
>>> have said Vista. I've yet to hear of a use for it, something that it
>>> does better than any other MS OS. (Oh, DX10 I guess... Shouldn't be
>>> long until that's hacked.)
>>
>> Vista is better then XP IMO, so long as the hardware is up to it.
>>
>> Better start menu is a huge bonus, XPs one with either scrolling thru
>> a massive list or having it arrive in 5 columns was a joke.
>>
>> Also vista seems to be more responsive when actually using it, can
>> switch windows just fine while waiting for something else to come out
>> of swap to the front that I havent used for a few days, XP would just
>> turn on the hdd light and sit there ignoring clicks anywhere till it
>> was done with unswapping out whatever I had clicked on.
>
> I've always been inclined to throw money at hardware rather than software so
> usually have lots of RAM, often turning swap off. (With RAM at ~$30 / GB if
> you shop around (~$40 for laptops) I don't see the point in allowing all
> that swapping.) Ergo I don't see the phenomena that you refer to.
>
Read, the swapping in in memory, not virtual, as in the HD.

Also, can everyones MB take many GB of memory?

On 2008-12-04, Richard <> wrote:
> ~misfit~ wrote:
>
>>> Also vista seems to be more responsive when actually using it, can
>>> switch windows just fine while waiting for something else to come out
>>> of swap to the front that I havent used for a few days, XP would just
>>> turn on the hdd light and sit there ignoring clicks anywhere till it
>>> was done with unswapping out whatever I had clicked on.
>>
>> I've always been inclined to throw money at hardware rather than software so
>> usually have lots of RAM, often turning swap off. (With RAM at ~$30 / GB if
>> you shop around (~$40 for laptops) I don't see the point in allowing all
>> that swapping.) Ergo I don't see the phenomena that you refer to.
>
> Sadly it is only that price up to 8 gigs, and if I want to eliminate
> swapping altogether I would need to spend a crapload more on ram, or
> start to close applications when I am not using them. IME its faster to
> have a photoshop that has swapped out and not being used for 2 weeks
> come back then it is to open it fresh.

**** 8GB, and still swapping to HD.

a) Get a better OS

b) and/or close some of those windows

c) Troll alert

Gordon wrote:

> **** 8GB, and still swapping to HD.
>
> a) Get a better OS
>
> b) and/or close some of those windows
>
> c) Troll alert


When working on many things at once its easier to just leave it all open
and minimize it. Sure, a lot of it is in crap like after effects caching
things for the ram preview etc, and it is incredibly stupid that it will
swap that out rather then just destroy the preview to free the ram up,
but thats the way it works.

At the moment I have 5 gigs in the machine because I needed the ram for
something else, and to tell you the truth its not doing any worse then
when it had 8 in it, so I dont know why there is little difference
between the 2, and I have about the same amount of stuff open.

Running vista ultimate 64 bit, so there is no better operating sytstem
that will do what I want. My brief experiance with xp 64 bit left me
with a "not going there again" result.

On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:52:41 +1300, Richard wrote:

> Running vista ultimate 64 bit, so there is no better operating sytstem
> that will do what I want. My brief experiance with xp 64 bit left me
> with a "not going there again" result.

So, use a better OS!

If you truly believe that there is no better OS than the latest iteration
of MS Windows then you're either deluded, or deceived, or in some other
way not in touch with reality or sanity.


--
Dilger: "Microsoft is first and foremost a marketing
company that flogs third rate technology products."

"Carnations" <> wrote in message
news...
> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:52:41 +1300, Richard wrote:
>
>> Running vista ultimate 64 bit, so there is no better operating sytstem
>> that will do what I want. My brief experiance with xp 64 bit left me
>> with a "not going there again" result.
>
> So, use a better OS!
>
> If you truly believe that there is no better OS than the latest iteration
> of MS Windows then you're either deluded, or deceived, or in some other
> way not in touch with reality or sanity.

Or doesn't have quite the same distorted black & white view of the world
that you do.

Carnations wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:52:41 +1300, Richard wrote:
>
>> Running vista ultimate 64 bit, so there is no better operating sytstem
>> that will do what I want. My brief experiance with xp 64 bit left me
>> with a "not going there again" result.
>
> So, use a better OS!
>
> If you truly believe that there is no better OS than the latest iteration
> of MS Windows then you're either deluded, or deceived, or in some other
> way not in touch with reality or sanity.

Ok, so explain to me how I can use solidworks, autosketch, photoshop,
illustrator, MS word and excel and sometimes powerpoint on the operating
system that you choose to use?

And I expect it to have accelerated GL in solidworks too, be reliable
and not have me having to resort to carryon like finding sourcecode and
diffs and patching crap and changing packages and stuff.