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Hari Hari Mau
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      11-30-2008
Hi, all !

I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.

I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
and LOTS of memory.

Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
thing goes to paged RAM.

Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---

Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?

If so, which one do you recommend?

I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
anything !

Thank you all !
 
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Randem
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      11-30-2008
Ram boosting is just paging itself...

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"Hari Hari Mau" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi, all !
>
> I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
>
> I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> and LOTS of memory.
>
> Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> thing goes to paged RAM.
>
> Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
> RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
>
> Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?
>
> If so, which one do you recommend?
>
> I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
> anything !
>
> Thank you all !



 
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Ken Blake, MVP
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      11-30-2008
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:03:48 -0800 (PST), Hari Hari Mau
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Hi, all !
>
> I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
>
> I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> and LOTS of memory.
>
> Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> thing goes to paged RAM.
>
> Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
> RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
>
> Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?



No.

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Shenan Stanley
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      11-30-2008
Hari Hari Mau wrote:
> I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
>
> I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> and LOTS of memory.
>
> Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> thing goes to paged RAM.
>
> Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade
> the RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
>
> Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?
>
> If so, which one do you recommend?
>
> I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
> anything !


No.
Things will likely always page - just the way things are handled.
How often do you actually utilize 16GB of your memory?

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Buffalo
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      11-30-2008


Hari Hari Mau wrote:
> Hi, all !
>
> I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
>
> I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> and LOTS of memory.
>
> Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> thing goes to paged RAM.
>
> Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
> RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
>
> Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?
>
> If so, which one do you recommend?
>
> I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
> anything !
>
> Thank you all !



Try one and find out and report back.
Most say they are worthless and actually use more ram. (ie:snakeoil)
Let us hear how it works out.


 
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Buffalo
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      11-30-2008


Hari Hari Mau wrote:
> Hi, all !
>
> I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
>
> I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> and LOTS of memory.
>
> Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> thing goes to paged RAM.
>
> Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
> RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
>
> Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?
>
> If so, which one do you recommend?
>
> I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
> anything !
>
> Thank you all !


Do you notice a slow down when it uses the page file, or are you just
relying on the fact that the page file is being used?
The page file will be used many times and it doesn't mean that all your
physical ram is used up.


 
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Hari Hari Mau
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      11-30-2008
On Nov 29, 6:45*pm, "Shenan Stanley" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Hari Hari Mau wrote:
> > I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.

>
> > I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> > and LOTS of memory.

>
> > Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> > thing goes to paged RAM.

>
> > Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade
> > the RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> > manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---

>
> > Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?

>
> > If so, which one do you recommend?

>
> > I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
> > anything !

>
> No.
> Things will likely always page - just the way things are handled.
> How often do you actually utilize 16GB of your memory?



According to Task Manager, all of it plus another 24 GB of paged. As I
have 4 HD in the comp, and set up page files in all the 4 HDs, total
paged is about 38GB and 24GB of it has been "committed".

What I am currently doing is rendering animation, very cpu and mem
intensive job, but still it shouldn't have used so much RAM. Since I
do not know how to track memory leakage or whatnots, I don't actually
know why the thing is using up so much memory.

That is why I am thinking of changing a mobo that can support 32GB of
RAM.

But before I do that, I like to know if any of those RAM Boosting
utilities work.

What I mean is, if there's some mem leakage, perhaps (just perhaps !)
the RAM Boosting utility could recover those RAM by "cleaning up"
those memories that are not being used and then giving it back to the
OS so my machine won't have to be paged like mad.

As it is now, the HD light is constantly on. All 4 of the HD are like
churning and cranking.

I have read in other places that those RAM Boosting programs are junk.
My purpose of posting the messages here is, maybe someone have had
experiences on those RAM Boosting programs and maybe they can tell me
more about mem leaks and how to recover those RAM memory.

Hoping to hear more opinion soon !

Thank you all !!!




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Hari Hari Mau
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      11-30-2008
On Nov 29, 6:55*pm, "Buffalo" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Hari Hari Mau wrote:
> > Hi, all !

>
> > I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.

>
> > I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> > and LOTS of memory.

>
> > Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> > thing goes to paged RAM.

>
> > Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
> > RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> > manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---

>
> > Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?

>
> > If so, which one do you recommend?

>
> > I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
> > anything !

>
> > Thank you all !

>
> Do you notice a slow down when it uses the page file, or are you just
> relying on the fact that the page file is being used?
> The page file will be used many times and it doesn't mean that all your
> physical ram is used up.



Hmm.... since it's a quad-core machine, it's kinda hard to "notice
slow down".

The thing, as right now is ... when I start the rendering job, it goes
smoothly, and after like 20 minutes or so, all 4 of my HD starts to
hum.

I've tested running the Task Manager, before I start rendering.

From beginning --- everything runs on the RAM. Then the "committed"
mem increases, until it flows over into the page, and the page thing
grows and grow. That's the time I start to hear my HD hum, and the HD
light is on constantly.
 
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Randem
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      11-30-2008
You seem to have a memory leak and NO ram utility will clean up your apps
mess. It would have no idea that you don't really need the memory. You have
to clean up your app with tracing and logging to find out where it leaks.
You may also be able to use a profiler to help.

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"Hari Hari Mau" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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On Nov 29, 6:55 pm, "Buffalo" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Hari Hari Mau wrote:
> > Hi, all !

>
> > I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.

>
> > I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> > and LOTS of memory.

>
> > Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> > thing goes to paged RAM.

>
> > Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
> > RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> > manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---

>
> > Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?

>
> > If so, which one do you recommend?

>
> > I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
> > anything !

>
> > Thank you all !

>
> Do you notice a slow down when it uses the page file, or are you just
> relying on the fact that the page file is being used?
> The page file will be used many times and it doesn't mean that all your
> physical ram is used up.



Hmm.... since it's a quad-core machine, it's kinda hard to "notice
slow down".

The thing, as right now is ... when I start the rendering job, it goes
smoothly, and after like 20 minutes or so, all 4 of my HD starts to
hum.

I've tested running the Task Manager, before I start rendering.

From beginning --- everything runs on the RAM. Then the "committed"
mem increases, until it flows over into the page, and the page thing
grows and grow. That's the time I start to hear my HD hum, and the HD
light is on constantly.


 
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chuckcar
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      11-30-2008
Hari Hari Mau <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> Hi, all !
>
> I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
>
> I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> and LOTS of memory.
>
> Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> thing goes to paged RAM.
>
> Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
> RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
>
> Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?
>
> If so, which one do you recommend?
>

None. For two reasons. There are two ways you can "increase" ram without
actually spending the couple of bucks to actually *do* it.

1. Compression in situ. This involves compressing all data while it is in
RAM thereby giving you more space, but at a substantial speed penalty.

2. Swapping to the hard drive. Windows does this anyways if you run out of
ram, so what you're doing is creating a second page file fighting with
windows. This makes it *really* slow. In addition to this stupidity, the
hard drive - any hard drive - is over 1000x slower than any RAM. This is
why when the computer slows down the hard drive light is always on, or
rather the other way around.

If you need a faster computer with more RAM, upgrade it. The "solution"
you suggest only worked when the hard drives were close in speed to the
speed of the processors. That's about 1980 or earlier. The original IBM PC
had a clock speed of 4.77 Mhz. Hard drive speeds (random access time) were
of the order of 80ms or slower. This leads to a ratio of 1:381,600 at
worst. In present computers, The speed is 3 Ghz (single processor/single
core to give a fair comparision) Hard drives still only are about 5ms due
to hardware limitations - motors only move so fast. That's a ration of
1:15,000,000,000. Now a read of a byte of ram takes pretty well the same
number of clock cycles - 4 with a couple more waiting depending on how
fast the ram is. Now you see the loss you get?


Try shutting down everything else *but* the program you're working on,
including anything in startup and see if that helps first.

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