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Hari Hari Mau
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      11-30-2008
Thank you for your suggestion. I've looked up on the mem leakage and
Microsoft supposed to have a program called "Perfmon.exe" that
supposed to be able to help trace which program is leaking memory.

That Perfmon.exe program is supposed to be downloadable ... however I
just can't find it !

Can anyone point out where I can obtain such a program, please?

Don't know why there is no "garbage collection" ability built in in
XP. If so, all the mem leakage problems would be a piece of cake, for
the OS itself can free those mem that are no longer being use. ....
but I digress ...



On Nov 29, 7:29*pm, "Randem" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> You seem to have a memory leak and NO ram utility will clean up your apps
> mess. It would have no idea that you don't really need the memory. You have
> to clean up your app with tracing and logging to find out where it leaks.
> You may also be able to use a profiler to help.
>
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> "Hari Hari Mau" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in messagenews:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Nov 29, 6:55 pm, "Buffalo" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hari Hari Mau wrote:
> > > Hi, all !

>
> > > I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.

>
> > > I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> > > and LOTS of memory.

>
> > > Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> > > thing goes to paged RAM.

>
> > > Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
> > > RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> > > manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---

>
> > > Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?

>
> > > If so, which one do you recommend?

>
> > > I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
> > > anything !

>
> > > Thank you all !

>
> > Do you notice a slow down when it uses the page file, or are you just
> > relying on the fact that the page file is being used?
> > The page file will be used many times and it doesn't mean that all your
> > physical ram is used up.

>
> Hmm.... since it's a quad-core machine, it's kinda hard to "notice
> slow down".
>
> The thing, as right now is ... when I start the rendering job, it goes
> smoothly, and after like 20 minutes or so, all 4 of my HD starts to
> hum.
>
> I've tested running the Task Manager, before I start rendering.
>
> From beginning --- everything runs on the RAM. Then the "committed"
> mem increases, until it flows over into the page, and the page thing
> grows and grow. That's the time I start to hear my HD hum, and the HD
> light is on constantly.

 
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Pennywise@DerryMaine.Gov
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      11-30-2008
Hari Hari Mau <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>What I am currently doing is rendering animation, very cpu and mem
>intensive job, but still it shouldn't have used so much RAM. Since I
>do not know how to track memory leakage or whatnots, I don't actually
>know why the thing is using up so much memory.



Start | Run <type in>
perfmon.msc
<enter>

This is a performance graph used to find bottlenecks. It's not an easy
program to use, so you will need to read the help file (Hit F1) or you
will get a help file on how to use MMC.

Very quick start would be to Hit the + (or ADD) icon, then read all
the counters from each performance object.

But set up correctly you can find memory leaks, hogs, or those in need
of more.
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Hari Hari Mau
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      11-30-2008
On Nov 29, 8:40*pm, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> *Hari Hari Mau <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >What I am currently doing is rendering animation, very cpu and mem
> >intensive job, but still it shouldn't have used so much RAM. Since I
> >do not know how to track memory leakage or whatnots, I don't actually
> >know why the thing is using up so much memory.

>
> Start | Run <type in>
> perfmon.msc
> <enter>
>
> This is a performance graph used to find bottlenecks. It's not an easy
> program to use, so you will need to read the help file (Hit F1) or you
> will get a help file on how to use MMC.
>
> Very quick start would be to Hit the + (or ADD) icon, then read all
> the counters from each performance object.
>
> But set up correctly you can find memory leaks, hogs, or those in need
> of more.
> --
>
> Find and mayhaps repair a stuck pixelhttp://tinyurl.com/6nro6h


Many thanks !!!
 
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Pennywise@DerryMaine.Gov
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      11-30-2008
Hari Hari Mau <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>That Perfmon.exe program is supposed to be downloadable ... however I
>just can't find it !


>Can anyone point out where I can obtain such a program, please?


You can run Perfmon.msc, it's found in the System32 directory.
It's Icon is located in the Administrative Tools.
You might need Admin access.

And it's Perfmon.MSC not Perfmon.EXE
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Buffalo
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      11-30-2008


PeeCee wrote:
> "Hari Hari Mau" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Thank you for your suggestion. I've looked up on the mem leakage and
> Microsoft supposed to have a program called "Perfmon.exe" that
> supposed to be able to help trace which program is leaking memory.
>
> That Perfmon.exe program is supposed to be downloadable ... however I
> just can't find it !


Try perfmon.msc instead of perfmon.exe


 
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Gerry
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      11-30-2008
Does the rendering programme use an Undo feature like you see in photo
editing programmes? What is the name of the programme you are using?


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Hari Hari Mau wrote:
> Thank you for your suggestion. I've looked up on the mem leakage and
> Microsoft supposed to have a program called "Perfmon.exe" that
> supposed to be able to help trace which program is leaking memory.
>
> That Perfmon.exe program is supposed to be downloadable ... however I
> just can't find it !
>
> Can anyone point out where I can obtain such a program, please?
>
> Don't know why there is no "garbage collection" ability built in in
> XP. If so, all the mem leakage problems would be a piece of cake, for
> the OS itself can free those mem that are no longer being use. ....
> but I digress ...
>
>
>
> On Nov 29, 7:29 pm, "Randem" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> You seem to have a memory leak and NO ram utility will clean up your
>> apps
>> mess. It would have no idea that you don't really need the memory.
>> You have
>> to clean up your app with tracing and logging to find out where it
>> leaks.
>> You may also be able to use a profiler to help.
>>
>> --
>> Randem Systems
>> Your Installation Specialist
>> The Top Inno Setup Script
>> Generatorhttp://www.randem.com/innoscript.htmlhttp://www.rndem.com/installerproblems.htmlhttp://www.randem.com/vistainstalls.htmlhttp://www.financialtrainingservices.org
>>
>> "Hari Hari Mau" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>> messagenews:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> On Nov 29, 6:55 pm, "Buffalo" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hari Hari Mau wrote:
>>>> Hi, all !

>>
>>>> I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.

>>
>>>> I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and
>>>> lots and LOTS of memory.

>>
>>>> Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
>>>> thing goes to paged RAM.

>>
>>>> Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade
>>>> the RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs
>>>> to manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---

>>
>>>> Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?

>>
>>>> If so, which one do you recommend?

>>
>>>> I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
>>>> anything !

>>
>>>> Thank you all !

>>
>>> Do you notice a slow down when it uses the page file, or are you
>>> just relying on the fact that the page file is being used?
>>> The page file will be used many times and it doesn't mean that all
>>> your physical ram is used up.

>>
>> Hmm.... since it's a quad-core machine, it's kinda hard to "notice
>> slow down".
>>
>> The thing, as right now is ... when I start the rendering job, it
>> goes
>> smoothly, and after like 20 minutes or so, all 4 of my HD starts to
>> hum.
>>
>> I've tested running the Task Manager, before I start rendering.
>>
>> From beginning --- everything runs on the RAM. Then the "committed"
>> mem increases, until it flows over into the page, and the page thing
>> grows and grow. That's the time I start to hear my HD hum, and the HD
>> light is on constantly.



 
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db.·.. >
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      11-30-2008
those programs are
designed for machines
with low resources.



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"Hari Hari Mau" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi, all !
>
> I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
>
> I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> and LOTS of memory.
>
> Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> thing goes to paged RAM.
>
> Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
> RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
>
> Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?
>
> If so, which one do you recommend?
>
> I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
> anything !
>
> Thank you all !


 
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Bruce Chambers
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      12-02-2008
db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote:
> those programs are
> designed for machines
> with low resources.
>
>
>



No, those programs are designed for gullible, technically ignorant
people. Like registry cleaners, they're pure snake oil.


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db.·.. >
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      12-02-2008
not really.

they serve and fulfill
two specific purposes.

one, they are utilities and
tools towards a more efficient
use of resources, and

two, they are utilities that
incite the ineffective use of
resources of whining geeks.
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"Bruce Chambers" <(E-Mail Removed)3t> wrote in message news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote:
>> those programs are
>> designed for machines
>> with low resources.
>>
>>
>>

>
>
> No, those programs are designed for gullible, technically ignorant people. Like registry cleaners, they're pure snake oil.
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375
>
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>
> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell
>
> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers.
> ~ Denis Diderot


 
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Cork Soaker
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      12-02-2008
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:03:48 -0800 (PST), Hari Hari Mau
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Hi, all !
>>
>> I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
>>
>> I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
>> and LOTS of memory.
>>
>> Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
>> thing goes to paged RAM.
>>
>> Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
>> RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
>> manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
>>
>> Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?

>
>
> No.
>



Windows will page no matter how much RAM you have. Are you talking
about a specific program?
 
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