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"With the advent of external hard drive enclosures and the
ease of plug and play USB and Firewire connections, many
people are asking themselves if they should buy an internal
or external hard drive when it comes to adding more storage
or work space..."

Continued: http://easyurl.net/HardDrive

dennis meissner "contributed" in alt.computer:


> of reasons to go with internal but it really escapes me right now.


That's because you're stupid. Think again. Internal drive > IDE or SATA
interface or External drive > USB interface. Now think again once more.
Which drive would perform faster, eh? Think just one more time again now
before you come up with ****witted answers.

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dennis meissner <> wrote:
> "DC" <> wrote in message
> news: d.net...
>> "With the advent of external hard drive enclosures and the
>> ease of plug and play USB and Firewire connections, many
>> people are asking themselves if they should buy an internal
>> or external hard drive when it comes to adding more storage
>> or work space..."
>>
>> Continued: http://easyurl.net/HardDrive
>>
>
> That's a real good question.
>
> Skill level of person installing this thing.. as you pointed out,
> external drives are plug and play... if you can plug in a toaster you
> can install an external drive.
>
> an external drive can be easily moved from one platform or pc to
> another. Nice for creating backup images of multiply systems.
>
> Portability... easy to travel with... like taking with you to a
> friends or relatives home and copying music or movies to it (like
> anyone does that)
> Guess I can't think of a compelling reason to go with an internal
> drive unless one wanted everything in the pc itself. Maybe someone
> else can think of reasons to go with internal but it really escapes
> me right now.

One obvious one is if you drop things much. Externals dont last very long if you drop them.

I like external HD, but they are a hassle when in mobile situation
like in a airplane. The other problem is that they require a
additional power source or battery. The prices & capacity of internal
HD's have fallen significantly in the past year so price is much less
of a issue.

kony wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:03:39 -0800, "dennis meissner"
> <> wrote:
>
> >
> >"DC" <> wrote in message
> >news: ed.net...
> >> "With the advent of external hard drive enclosures and the
> >> ease of plug and play USB and Firewire connections, many
> >> people are asking themselves if they should buy an internal
> >> or external hard drive when it comes to adding more storage
> >> or work space..."
> >>
> >> Continued: http://easyurl.net/HardDrive
> >>
> >
> >That's a real good question.
> >
> >Skill level of person installing this thing.. as you pointed out, external
> >drives are plug and play... if you can plug in a toaster you can install an
> >external drive.
> >
> >an external drive can be easily moved from one platform or pc to another.
> >Nice for creating backup images of multiply systems.
> >
> >Portability... easy to travel with... like taking with you to a friends or
> >relatives home and copying music or movies to it (like anyone does that)
> >
> >Guess I can't think of a compelling reason to go with an internal drive
> >unless one wanted everything in the pc itself. Maybe someone else can think
> >of reasons to go with internal but it really escapes me right now.
>
>
> Unless one custom modifies an external to achieve the
> balance of airflow vs noise that is needed (why doesn't the
> manufacturer do that? Some things will remain a mystery.),
> they tend to end up making addt'l audible noise, or allowing
> the hard drive to run hotter.
>
> Internal PATA or SATA are higher performing and have less
> system resource overhead. System PSU tends to provide
> cleaner power, a quality system PSU tends to last longer,
> and as I was reminded earlier today while using a USB
> external, if the power fickers for even the slightest moment
> (in theory it can be used on an UPS but for convenience
> purposes I usually just use the closest outlet since it's
> being moved from system to system), then the power
> flickering can cause the external drive to fall off the bus
> and corrupt data even if the system stays running ok
> otherwise.
>
> Generally an external also costs less. The larger the drive
> size, the smaller the % of total cost is the external
> enclosure. It may not be true in all cases but someone
> shopping for the best price (on a name-brand) can get a
> lower price on an internal rive. Externals also may have a
> shorter warranty and if one fails and you're left trying to
> troubleshoot it as multiple subsystems meaning drive plus
> USB bridge board plus separate power plus another data cable
> and/or connector, plus it may void the warranty to open it
> and extract the drive to test each portion separately. Some
> can be easily opened to try this anyway, but others require
> some prying that is detectable.
>
> Externals only have the one obvious thing going for them,
> they are so easily disconnected, and/or moved to a different
> system. That alone is a reason to have one but without
> that need it's just adding more complexity which tends to
> make the inevitable failure more complicated. I almost
> forgot, some OS don't like booting from them even if the
> board can boot a USB drive.

> That's because you're stupid. Think again. Internal drive > IDE or SATA
> interface or External drive > USB interface. Now think again once more.
> Which drive would perform faster, eh?

eSATA is the winner. External, and same speed as internal SATA.

The only issue is that, before Win7, Windows does not support automatic hotplug detection on eSATA.

More so, some eSATA hardware is just the adapter plug in the chassis slot - piece of metal, socket and cable, internally connected to the usual SATA socket on the motherboard. With such a configuration, this is usual SATA for any software - Win7 included, so, no hotplug detection.

You will need to run Device Manager, disable the eSATA controller, connect and power up the disk and re-enable the controller manually. After this, the disk is detected and works fine without a reboot.

Unplugging the disk is a worse song. Disabling the controller in Device Manager will fail if there are any open files on any volumes on the disk, in which case Device Manager _just suggests you to reboot_.

--
Maxim S. Shatskih
Windows DDK MVP

http://www.storagecraft.com

"hizark21" <> wrote in message
news:a3cf6a37-89f3-45d5-99c9-...
|I like external HD, but they are a hassle when in mobile situation
| like in a airplane. The other problem is that they require a
| additional power source or battery.

Not necessarily. I have a 500 GB Buffalo model that runs off USB power.

On Nov 29, 7:19*am, "iws" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> "hizark21" <hizar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a3cf6a37-89f3-45d5-99c9-...
> |I like external HD, but they are a hassle when in mobile situation
> | like in a airplane. The other problem is that they require a
> | additional power source or battery.
>
> Not necessarily. I have a 500 GB Buffalo model that runs off USB power.

Yes it's true you can run it off USB Power. The problem however is
that your battery life will be limited. Perhaps when the fuel cells
this will change things.

> Eg.. If you wanted a 1TB internal SATA drive wouldn't this be cheaper
> than a 1TB eSATA drive?

By enclosure cost only, and it is cheap. The drive inside the enclosure is the same usual SATA.

--
Maxim S. Shatskih
Windows DDK MVP

http://www.storagecraft.com

> The last time I looked, 3.5" SATA dekstop drives were cheaper
> than their laptop counterparts, byte-for-byte. That's the point: Use
> a desktop drive for external laptop storage.

If size, weight and the need in an extra power supply are OK - then yes.

External enclosures with laptop-size drives are usually fed off USB and do not require extra PSU.

--
Maxim S. Shatskih
Windows DDK MVP

http://www.storagecraft.com

"John" <> wrote in message
news:...
| On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:28:46 -0800, "Timothy Daniels"
| <> wrote:
|
| >"John" wrote:
| >> I believe internal drives are cheaper for the same type of drives.
| >> Eg.. If you wanted a 1TB internal SATA drive wouldn't this be cheaper
| >> than a 1TB eSATA drive?
| >
| > The last time I looked, 3.5" SATA dekstop drives were cheaper
| >than their laptop counterparts, byte-for-byte. That's the point: Use
| >a desktop drive for external laptop storage.
| >
| >*TimDaniels*
|
| I wouldn't mind having a small notebook to take with me wherever. I'd
| only want one that was quite small though with a screen size between
| something like 8 to 11 inches max. I think I'd only use it as a
| synchronised mobile offspring to my main tower system though. With a
| notebook I'd just want that one thing for when I'm using it for its
| purpose of being mobile and "out and about" not to have to lug around
| a bunch of peripherals for it as well.
|
| John
|
You mean like this:
http://www.jr.com/acer-computer/pe/ACE_AOA1501447/