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"HASAN" <hasan***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:...
> you dont need to make any changes in your hardware, I use my adsl router
> to connect all my pc's/laptop together. simply connect all the systems to
> the router, turn the router's DHCP server on (its usually on by default),
> on your two pcs check that both have a same WORKGROUP name, also check
> that the ip address is set to "obtain ip automatically" on both pcs,then
> right click some folder on both pcs and choose sharing...,go to "sharing
> wizard" and answered the questions, it would setup the necessary access
> permissions and also tune the firewall to let your sharing communications
> pass the firewall.thats it, you now have a home network!
> "RJK" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>
>> "Bruce Chambers" <3t> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> RJK wrote:
>>>> I've been reading some primers on setting up a small home network, and
>>>> would like to try networking 2 PC's together, via a router? ...using
>>>> ethernet leads i.e. not wireless
>>>>
>>>> They both have XP Home ed. SP3 ...all up to date with MS security
>>>> patches etc.
>>>> ...and at the moment, they both get their internet connection from a
>>>> Linksys WAG354G (which is an adsl modem/4 port router),
>>>>
>>>> Can this Linksys do the job, or do I need to buy something different ?
>>>>
>>>> Completely confused about hubs, routers etc,
>


Many thanks,

Now that I know that I'm not fighting with hardware which lacks necessary
features/functionality I can wade into configuration

regards, Richard

"Twayne" <> wrote in message
news:...
>> I've been reading some primers on setting up a small home network,
>> and would like to try networking 2 PC's together, via a router? ...using
>> ethernet leads i.e. not wireless
>>
>> They both have XP Home ed. SP3 ...all up to date with MS security
>> patches etc.
>> ...and at the moment, they both get their internet connection from a
>> Linksys WAG354G (which is an adsl modem/4 port router),
>>
>> Can this Linksys do the job, or do I need to buy something different ?
>>
>> Completely confused about hubs, routers etc,
>>
>> regards, Richard
>
> You should be all set with what you have. In fact, if it's only 2
> computers, it can even be done without a router/switch/whatever. All it
> takes is a sort of crossover cable (the ethernet cable - 8 pin config).
>
> In an unusual departure from the norm, Microsoft, for XP's Help & Support
> has an excellent write-up on setting up a home LAN. Just look for LAN,
> IIRC, or maybe home lan. It explains all the different formats, how to
> set them up, etc.. Definitely worth a read.
>
> Regards,
>
> TWayne
>
>


Many thanks,

Now that I know that I'm not fighting with hardware which lacks necessary
features/functionality I can wade into configuration

regards, Richard

"James Egan" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:24:15 -0000, "RJK" <>
> wrote:
>
>>I've been reading some primers on setting up a small home network, and
>>would
>>like to try networking 2 PC's together, via a router? ...using ethernet
>>leads i.e. not wireless
>
> Why would you want to wire them together when they are already
> networked together wirelessly?
>
> Currently all you have to do is to enable file sharing and configure
> the firewalls. Forget the wires unless you have some special reason
> for doing it?
>
>
> Jim.
>


Many thanks,

Now that I know that I'm not fighting with hardware which lacks necessary
features/functionality I can wade into configuration

regards, Richard

"Curt Christianson" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Hello again Richard,
>
> I agree with what the others have said. You have all you need right
> there. There are some really good links provided to you. I have a similar
> setup in my location, only the "powers that be" will not allow cable to be
> routed, as the computers are on two different floors. I am going to do
> just as you--only wireless.
>
> Good luck! This sounds like a good learning experience for both of us.
>
> --
> HTH,
>
> Curt
>
> http://dundats.mvps.org/
> http://www.aumha.org/
> http://dundats.mvps.org/AutoIt/default.aspx
>
>
>
>
>
> "RJK" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> I've been reading some primers on setting up a small home network, and
>> would like to try networking 2 PC's together, via a router? ...using
>> ethernet leads i.e. not wireless
>>
>> They both have XP Home ed. SP3 ...all up to date with MS security patches
>> etc.
>> ...and at the moment, they both get their internet connection from a
>> Linksys WAG354G (which is an adsl modem/4 port router),
>>
>> Can this Linksys do the job, or do I need to buy something different ?
>>
>> Completely confused about hubs, routers etc,
>>
>> regards, Richard
>>
>
>

Hello Curt,

I finally managed, (after a very long time), to ask my question about
hardware, specifically its' networking capabilities, ((in an, (unusually for
me!), succinct fashion)), and got the answer I'd been hoping for !
....many thanks again to all who finally "drummed" that answer into me !

Now, prior to engaging in a fight with MS's, allegedly, "automatic" and very
helpful Network configuration Wizard, I thought I'd first uninstall, and
reinstall AVG 8.0 Internet Security on both of my PC's so that all the AVG
Standard Firewall "Profiles" e.g. "Small Home or Office Network", are all
available, ((i.e. I deleted the "Small Home or Office Network" profile on
both PC's a while ago, ( I have a 5 PC multi license pack with AVG)). The
intention there was to pre-empt or reduce problems with firewalls' when I
eventually make my attempt at networking the two PC's.

As when installing AVG 8.0 full Internet Security suite on previous
occasions, I've ended up in almost complete confusion over AVG's "Areas and
adapter profiles"/"Adapters and Areas,"
"Adapters connected to Safe Networks," ...(is currently set to "Unassigned)"
"RealTek RTL8139" ......LAN chip on motherboard.
"All Network Areas / "Orange ?" ...I labelled the "network area" "Orange ?"
....possibly that which was detected and demanded a name during
reinstallation of AVG 8.0 ...so I had yet another cigarette and gazed at the
screen in wonderment for even more ages, ...wondering if the installation
routine was asking me about a level of internet access security for
"Orange," (my ISP is Orange), or was it asking about the LAN chip connection
to my adsl modem/router ...and now,
....after having gazed and re-read the AVG Help pages, for ages, it's half
past midnight plus ! ....so I'm going to switch it off and go to bed.
....haven't even reinstalled AVG 8.0 on 2nd PC,
....and haven't got anywhere near running MS Network configuration wizard !!!

....regarding your rj45/Cat 5 cable vs. wireless, my WAG354 is currently
sending internet to my fathers' PC in the house, THAT was an experience and
a half - matching WPA security keys / channel / setting MAC codes in router
etc. DHCP / IP / gateway addresses etc. ...fighting with it for goodness
know how many hours and eventually discovering that the Linksys WMP54G pci
wireless card application software was causing problems ! i.e. one had
probably been tweaking things that didn't need tweaking, (causing LOTS of
time consuming frustration), then after upgrading the application software
for it, from Linksys, most of the problems vanished, ...after changing
software settings back to those, that hadn't needed changing in the first
place !

regards, Richard

This is like trying to find a needle in a haystack !
....All I've managed so far is to get my main PC warning me that if I
proceed - everyone on the internet will be able to see my files and use my
printers !
....and the 2nd PC which tells me that I do not have the necessary
administrative permissions to do very much with a Network at all !
( Both PC's boot straight into Adminstator mode i.e. I've never set up user
accounts, as such on them ! )

I've tried setting up a workgroup - the type of hardware configuration that
one had to select is difficult - though I think I've selected the correct
one. Then, the 2nd PC can't display or see the WorkGroup - and when I first
ran the Network setup wizard on the 2nd PC, it needed to reboot, and whilst
rebooting it decided to do a dos level chkdsk, making me suspect that the
Network Connection wizard did all sorts of damage on the 2nd PC before
rebooting, as chkdsk / 10 to 20 filenames whizzed up the screen including
some *.dll's !

Oh, for a "hold-my-hand" tutorial that explains what needs to be set up and
how - in Windows !

Many years ago I networked a few PC's in Bristol, (no Windows - all DOS
based apps.), and one had to assign.exe, or was it subst.exe, (can't
remember now), hd C:\ for H:\ so that nodes with SuperCalc v3.0-v5.5? on
them , could load up spreadsheets stored on the main PC. Looking back,
.....GOODNESS only knows how I got all that working !!! ...and here I am,
can't make head nor tails of this facility in Windows !

Anyhow, on 2nd PC :-
"View Network Connections" contains only one LAN icon - to router - where
it gets its' internet connection from I suppose !
"View WorkGroup computers" is empty, then a timer bottle - then ""Rjk"
(workgroup name i gave it), is not accessible, You migh not have
permission....etc."
I gathered that the WG name has to be the same on both PC's - will have to
urn the network setup wizard on 2nd Pc again I think.

....oh, what joy !!

regards, Richard


"Curt Christianson" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Richard,
>
> You're right, this should be a fun experience. I don't anticipate any
> problems with WPA, etc.however.
> Both machines access the wireless router on their own beautifully, so at
> this point I just have to make them "talk" to each other.
>
> I agree in getting AVG out of the way temporarily. So many users have
> problems when their security suites (AVG, Symantec, etc.) are running when
> attempting to do updates, etc. Things go much better if they are not
> their during major updates, or things of that ilk. Good luck, and let us
> know.
>
> --
> HTH,
>
> Curt
>
> http://dundats.mvps.org/
> http://www.aumha.org/
> http://dundats.mvps.org/AutoIt/default.aspx
>
>
>
>
>
> "RJK" <> wrote in message
> news:eeA$...
>> "Curt Christianson" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Hello again Richard,
>>>
>>> I agree with what the others have said. You have all you need right
>>> there. There are some really good links provided to you. I have a
>>> similar setup in my location, only the "powers that be" will not allow
>>> cable to be routed, as the computers are on two different floors. I am
>>> going to do just as you--only wireless.
>>>
>>> Good luck! This sounds like a good learning experience for both of us.
>>>
>>> --
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>> Curt
>>>
>>> http://dundats.mvps.org/
>>> http://www.aumha.org/
>>> http://dundats.mvps.org/AutoIt/default.aspx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "RJK" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> I've been reading some primers on setting up a small home network, and
>>>> would like to try networking 2 PC's together, via a router? ...using
>>>> ethernet leads i.e. not wireless
>>>>
>>>> They both have XP Home ed. SP3 ...all up to date with MS security
>>>> patches etc.
>>>> ...and at the moment, they both get their internet connection from a
>>>> Linksys WAG354G (which is an adsl modem/4 port router),
>>>>
>>>> Can this Linksys do the job, or do I need to buy something different ?
>>>>
>>>> Completely confused about hubs, routers etc,
>>>>
>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Hello Curt,
>>
>> I finally managed, (after a very long time), to ask my question about
>> hardware, specifically its' networking capabilities, ((in an, (unusually
>> for me!), succinct fashion)), and got the answer I'd been hoping for !
>> ...many thanks again to all who finally "drummed" that answer into me !
>>
>> Now, prior to engaging in a fight with MS's, allegedly, "automatic" and
>> very helpful Network configuration Wizard, I thought I'd first uninstall,
>> and reinstall AVG 8.0 Internet Security on both of my PC's so that all
>> the AVG Standard Firewall "Profiles" e.g. "Small Home or Office Network",
>> are all available, ((i.e. I deleted the "Small Home or Office Network"
>> profile on both PC's a while ago, ( I have a 5 PC multi license pack with
>> AVG)). The intention there was to pre-empt or reduce problems with
>> firewalls' when I eventually make my attempt at networking the two PC's.
>>
>> As when installing AVG 8.0 full Internet Security suite on previous
>> occasions, I've ended up in almost complete confusion over AVG's "Areas
>> and adapter profiles"/"Adapters and Areas,"
>> "Adapters connected to Safe Networks," ...(is currently set to
>> "Unassigned)"
>> "RealTek RTL8139" ......LAN chip on motherboard.
>> "All Network Areas / "Orange ?" ...I labelled the "network area" "Orange
>> ?" ...possibly that which was detected and demanded a name during
>> reinstallation of AVG 8.0 ...so I had yet another cigarette and gazed at
>> the screen in wonderment for even more ages, ...wondering if the
>> installation routine was asking me about a level of internet access
>> security for "Orange," (my ISP is Orange), or was it asking about the LAN
>> chip connection to my adsl modem/router ...and now,
>> ...after having gazed and re-read the AVG Help pages, for ages, it's half
>> past midnight plus ! ....so I'm going to switch it off and go to bed.
>> ...haven't even reinstalled AVG 8.0 on 2nd PC,
>> ...and haven't got anywhere near running MS Network configuration wizard
>> !!!
>>
>> ...regarding your rj45/Cat 5 cable vs. wireless, my WAG354 is currently
>> sending internet to my fathers' PC in the house, THAT was an experience
>> and a half - matching WPA security keys / channel / setting MAC codes in
>> router etc. DHCP / IP / gateway addresses etc. ...fighting with it for
>> goodness know how many hours and eventually discovering that the Linksys
>> WMP54G pci wireless card application software was causing problems !
>> i.e. one had probably been tweaking things that didn't need tweaking,
>> (causing LOTS of time consuming frustration), then after upgrading the
>> application software for it, from Linksys, most of the problems vanished,
>> ...after changing software settings back to those, that hadn't needed
>> changing in the first place !
>>
>> regards, Richard
>>
>>
>
>

I may have made some progress :-

"My Network places" on "server" PC is showing:-

data on LianLi(D935) \\d935\data
SharedDocs on LianLi(d935) \\D935\SharedDocs

....but, 2nd PC can't see them !

regards, Richard



"RJK" <> wrote in message
news:%23vc$...
> This is like trying to find a needle in a haystack !
> ...All I've managed so far is to get my main PC warning me that if I
> proceed - everyone on the internet will be able to see my files and use my
> printers !
> ...and the 2nd PC which tells me that I do not have the necessary
> administrative permissions to do very much with a Network at all !
> ( Both PC's boot straight into Adminstator mode i.e. I've never set up
> user accounts, as such on them ! )
>
> I've tried setting up a workgroup - the type of hardware configuration
> that one had to select is difficult - though I think I've selected the
> correct one. Then, the 2nd PC can't display or see the WorkGroup - and
> when I first ran the Network setup wizard on the 2nd PC, it needed to
> reboot, and whilst rebooting it decided to do a dos level chkdsk, making
> me suspect that the Network Connection wizard did all sorts of damage on
> the 2nd PC before rebooting, as chkdsk / 10 to 20 filenames whizzed up the
> screen including some *.dll's !
>
> Oh, for a "hold-my-hand" tutorial that explains what needs to be set up
> and how - in Windows !
>
> Many years ago I networked a few PC's in Bristol, (no Windows - all DOS
> based apps.), and one had to assign.exe, or was it subst.exe, (can't
> remember now), hd C:\ for H:\ so that nodes with SuperCalc v3.0-v5.5? on
> them , could load up spreadsheets stored on the main PC. Looking back,
> ....GOODNESS only knows how I got all that working !!! ...and here I am,
> can't make head nor tails of this facility in Windows !
>
> Anyhow, on 2nd PC :-
> "View Network Connections" contains only one LAN icon - to router -
> where it gets its' internet connection from I suppose !
> "View WorkGroup computers" is empty, then a timer bottle - then ""Rjk"
> (workgroup name i gave it), is not accessible, You migh not have
> permission....etc."
> I gathered that the WG name has to be the same on both PC's - will have to
> urn the network setup wizard on 2nd Pc again I think.
>
> ...oh, what joy !!
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "Curt Christianson" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Richard,
>>
>> You're right, this should be a fun experience. I don't anticipate any
>> problems with WPA, etc.however.
>> Both machines access the wireless router on their own beautifully, so at
>> this point I just have to make them "talk" to each other.
>>
>> I agree in getting AVG out of the way temporarily. So many users have
>> problems when their security suites (AVG, Symantec, etc.) are running
>> when attempting to do updates, etc. Things go much better if they are
>> not their during major updates, or things of that ilk. Good luck, and
>> let us know.
>>
>> --
>> HTH,
>>
>> Curt
>>
>> http://dundats.mvps.org/
>> http://www.aumha.org/
>> http://dundats.mvps.org/AutoIt/default.aspx
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "RJK" <> wrote in message
>> news:eeA$...
>>> "Curt Christianson" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> Hello again Richard,
>>>>
>>>> I agree with what the others have said. You have all you need right
>>>> there. There are some really good links provided to you. I have a
>>>> similar setup in my location, only the "powers that be" will not allow
>>>> cable to be routed, as the computers are on two different floors. I am
>>>> going to do just as you--only wireless.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck! This sounds like a good learning experience for both of us.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> HTH,
>>>>
>>>> Curt
>>>>
>>>> http://dundats.mvps.org/
>>>> http://www.aumha.org/
>>>> http://dundats.mvps.org/AutoIt/default.aspx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "RJK" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> I've been reading some primers on setting up a small home network, and
>>>>> would like to try networking 2 PC's together, via a router? ...using
>>>>> ethernet leads i.e. not wireless
>>>>>
>>>>> They both have XP Home ed. SP3 ...all up to date with MS security
>>>>> patches etc.
>>>>> ...and at the moment, they both get their internet connection from a
>>>>> Linksys WAG354G (which is an adsl modem/4 port router),
>>>>>
>>>>> Can this Linksys do the job, or do I need to buy something different ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Completely confused about hubs, routers etc,
>>>>>
>>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Curt,
>>>
>>> I finally managed, (after a very long time), to ask my question about
>>> hardware, specifically its' networking capabilities, ((in an, (unusually
>>> for me!), succinct fashion)), and got the answer I'd been hoping for !
>>> ...many thanks again to all who finally "drummed" that answer into me !
>>>
>>> Now, prior to engaging in a fight with MS's, allegedly, "automatic" and
>>> very helpful Network configuration Wizard, I thought I'd first
>>> uninstall, and reinstall AVG 8.0 Internet Security on both of my PC's so
>>> that all the AVG Standard Firewall "Profiles" e.g. "Small Home or Office
>>> Network", are all available, ((i.e. I deleted the "Small Home or Office
>>> Network" profile on both PC's a while ago, ( I have a 5 PC multi license
>>> pack with AVG)). The intention there was to pre-empt or reduce problems
>>> with firewalls' when I eventually make my attempt at networking the two
>>> PC's.
>>>
>>> As when installing AVG 8.0 full Internet Security suite on previous
>>> occasions, I've ended up in almost complete confusion over AVG's "Areas
>>> and adapter profiles"/"Adapters and Areas,"
>>> "Adapters connected to Safe Networks," ...(is currently set to
>>> "Unassigned)"
>>> "RealTek RTL8139" ......LAN chip on motherboard.
>>> "All Network Areas / "Orange ?" ...I labelled the "network area"
>>> "Orange ?" ...possibly that which was detected and demanded a name
>>> during reinstallation of AVG 8.0 ...so I had yet another cigarette and
>>> gazed at the screen in wonderment for even more ages, ...wondering if
>>> the installation routine was asking me about a level of internet access
>>> security for "Orange," (my ISP is Orange), or was it asking about the
>>> LAN chip connection to my adsl modem/router ...and now,
>>> ...after having gazed and re-read the AVG Help pages, for ages, it's
>>> half past midnight plus ! ....so I'm going to switch it off and go to
>>> bed.
>>> ...haven't even reinstalled AVG 8.0 on 2nd PC,
>>> ...and haven't got anywhere near running MS Network configuration wizard
>>> !!!
>>>
>>> ...regarding your rj45/Cat 5 cable vs. wireless, my WAG354 is currently
>>> sending internet to my fathers' PC in the house, THAT was an experience
>>> and a half - matching WPA security keys / channel / setting MAC codes in
>>> router etc. DHCP / IP / gateway addresses etc. ...fighting with it for
>>> goodness know how many hours and eventually discovering that the Linksys
>>> WMP54G pci wireless card application software was causing problems !
>>> i.e. one had probably been tweaking things that didn't need tweaking,
>>> (causing LOTS of time consuming frustration), then after upgrading the
>>> application software for it, from Linksys, most of the problems
>>> vanished, ...after changing software settings back to those, that hadn't
>>> needed changing in the first place !
>>>
>>> regards, Richard
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

The ideal tutorial that can never be found, is one that leads one by the
hand, and even details which Window services need to be running, so that one
knows that at least the XP environment is correct ! ...and one that
includes a few example pics. so that one can confirm that one is heading
along the correct track, ...and also includes a few REALLY simple tasks,
e.g. loading a Wrod *.doc on a node, using Word program that's running
on a node !

regards, Richard



"Curt Christianson" <> wrote in message
news:uTD4nY%...
> Richard,
>
> I have a feeling things may not go as smooth as I think they will. My
> only consolation is this project is only for fun, and I really have no
> need to share with the other machine.
>
> --
> HTH,
>
> Curt
>
> http://dundats.mvps.org/
> http://www.aumha.org/
> http://dundats.mvps.org/AutoIt/default.aspx
>
>
>
>
>
> "RJK" <> wrote in message
> news:%23vc$...
>> This is like trying to find a needle in a haystack !
>> ...All I've managed so far is to get my main PC warning me that if I
>> proceed - everyone on the internet will be able to see my files and use
>> my printers !
>> ...and the 2nd PC which tells me that I do not have the necessary
>> administrative permissions to do very much with a Network at all !
>> ( Both PC's boot straight into Adminstator mode i.e. I've never set up
>> user accounts, as such on them ! )
>>
>> I've tried setting up a workgroup - the type of hardware configuration
>> that one had to select is difficult - though I think I've selected the
>> correct one. Then, the 2nd PC can't display or see the WorkGroup - and
>> when I first ran the Network setup wizard on the 2nd PC, it needed to
>> reboot, and whilst rebooting it decided to do a dos level chkdsk, making
>> me suspect that the Network Connection wizard did all sorts of damage on
>> the 2nd PC before rebooting, as chkdsk / 10 to 20 filenames whizzed up
>> the screen including some *.dll's !
>>
>> Oh, for a "hold-my-hand" tutorial that explains what needs to be set up
>> and how - in Windows !
>>
>> Many years ago I networked a few PC's in Bristol, (no Windows - all DOS
>> based apps.), and one had to assign.exe, or was it subst.exe, (can't
>> remember now), hd C:\ for H:\ so that nodes with SuperCalc v3.0-v5.5?
>> on them , could load up spreadsheets stored on the main PC. Looking
>> back, ....GOODNESS only knows how I got all that working !!! ...and here
>> I am, can't make head nor tails of this facility in Windows !
>>
>> Anyhow, on 2nd PC :-
>> "View Network Connections" contains only one LAN icon - to router -
>> where it gets its' internet connection from I suppose !
>> "View WorkGroup computers" is empty, then a timer bottle - then ""Rjk"
>> (workgroup name i gave it), is not accessible, You migh not have
>> permission....etc."
>> I gathered that the WG name has to be the same on both PC's - will have
>> to urn the network setup wizard on 2nd Pc again I think.
>>
>> ...oh, what joy !!
>>
>> regards, Richard
>>
>>
>> "Curt Christianson" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Richard,
>>>
>>> You're right, this should be a fun experience. I don't anticipate any
>>> problems with WPA, etc.however.
>>> Both machines access the wireless router on their own beautifully, so at
>>> this point I just have to make them "talk" to each other.
>>>
>>> I agree in getting AVG out of the way temporarily. So many users have
>>> problems when their security suites (AVG, Symantec, etc.) are running
>>> when attempting to do updates, etc. Things go much better if they are
>>> not their during major updates, or things of that ilk. Good luck, and
>>> let us know.
>>>
>>> --
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>> Curt
>>>
>>> http://dundats.mvps.org/
>>> http://www.aumha.org/
>>> http://dundats.mvps.org/AutoIt/default.aspx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "RJK" <> wrote in message
>>> news:eeA$...
>>>> "Curt Christianson" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> Hello again Richard,
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with what the others have said. You have all you need right
>>>>> there. There are some really good links provided to you. I have a
>>>>> similar setup in my location, only the "powers that be" will not allow
>>>>> cable to be routed, as the computers are on two different floors. I
>>>>> am going to do just as you--only wireless.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck! This sounds like a good learning experience for both of
>>>>> us.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>
>>>>> Curt
>>>>>
>>>>> http://dundats.mvps.org/
>>>>> http://www.aumha.org/
>>>>> http://dundats.mvps.org/AutoIt/default.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "RJK" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:...
>>>>>> I've been reading some primers on setting up a small home network,
>>>>>> and would like to try networking 2 PC's together, via a router?
>>>>>> ...using ethernet leads i.e. not wireless
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They both have XP Home ed. SP3 ...all up to date with MS security
>>>>>> patches etc.
>>>>>> ...and at the moment, they both get their internet connection from a
>>>>>> Linksys WAG354G (which is an adsl modem/4 port router),
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can this Linksys do the job, or do I need to buy something different
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Completely confused about hubs, routers etc,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Curt,
>>>>
>>>> I finally managed, (after a very long time), to ask my question about
>>>> hardware, specifically its' networking capabilities, ((in an,
>>>> (unusually for me!), succinct fashion)), and got the answer I'd been
>>>> hoping for !
>>>> ...many thanks again to all who finally "drummed" that answer into me !
>>>>
>>>> Now, prior to engaging in a fight with MS's, allegedly, "automatic" and
>>>> very helpful Network configuration Wizard, I thought I'd first
>>>> uninstall, and reinstall AVG 8.0 Internet Security on both of my PC's
>>>> so that all the AVG Standard Firewall "Profiles" e.g. "Small Home or
>>>> Office Network", are all available, ((i.e. I deleted the "Small Home or
>>>> Office Network" profile on both PC's a while ago, ( I have a 5 PC multi
>>>> license pack with AVG)). The intention there was to pre-empt or reduce
>>>> problems with firewalls' when I eventually make my attempt at
>>>> networking the two PC's.
>>>>
>>>> As when installing AVG 8.0 full Internet Security suite on previous
>>>> occasions, I've ended up in almost complete confusion over AVG's
>>>> "Areas and adapter profiles"/"Adapters and Areas,"
>>>> "Adapters connected to Safe Networks," ...(is currently set to
>>>> "Unassigned)"
>>>> "RealTek RTL8139" ......LAN chip on motherboard.
>>>> "All Network Areas / "Orange ?" ...I labelled the "network area"
>>>> "Orange ?" ...possibly that which was detected and demanded a name
>>>> during reinstallation of AVG 8.0 ...so I had yet another cigarette and
>>>> gazed at the screen in wonderment for even more ages, ...wondering if
>>>> the installation routine was asking me about a level of internet access
>>>> security for "Orange," (my ISP is Orange), or was it asking about the
>>>> LAN chip connection to my adsl modem/router ...and now,
>>>> ...after having gazed and re-read the AVG Help pages, for ages, it's
>>>> half past midnight plus ! ....so I'm going to switch it off and go to
>>>> bed.
>>>> ...haven't even reinstalled AVG 8.0 on 2nd PC,
>>>> ...and haven't got anywhere near running MS Network configuration
>>>> wizard !!!
>>>>
>>>> ...regarding your rj45/Cat 5 cable vs. wireless, my WAG354 is
>>>> currently sending internet to my fathers' PC in the house, THAT was an
>>>> experience and a half - matching WPA security keys / channel / setting
>>>> MAC codes in router etc. DHCP / IP / gateway addresses etc.
>>>> ...fighting with it for goodness know how many hours and eventually
>>>> discovering that the Linksys WMP54G pci wireless card application
>>>> software was causing problems ! i.e. one had probably been tweaking
>>>> things that didn't need tweaking, (causing LOTS of time consuming
>>>> frustration), then after upgrading the application software for it,
>>>> from Linksys, most of the problems vanished, ...after changing software
>>>> settings back to those, that hadn't needed changing in the first place
>>>> !
>>>>
>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

....have switched on Upnp in WAG354G hoping that may help,
2nd PC "My Network Places" is bombing out with "Program not responding"
after clicking the "Back" button on upper toobar !!
....pretty sure I'm heading for a repair install on 2nd Pc !!

regards, Richard


"Curt Christianson" <> wrote in message
news:uTD4nY%...
> Richard,
>
> I have a feeling things may not go as smooth as I think they will. My
> only consolation is this project is only for fun, and I really have no
> need to share with the other machine.
>
> --
> HTH,
>
> Curt
>
> http://dundats.mvps.org/
> http://www.aumha.org/
> http://dundats.mvps.org/AutoIt/default.aspx
>
>
>
>
>
> "RJK" <> wrote in message
> news:%23vc$...
>> This is like trying to find a needle in a haystack !
>> ...All I've managed so far is to get my main PC warning me that if I
>> proceed - everyone on the internet will be able to see my files and use
>> my printers !
>> ...and the 2nd PC which tells me that I do not have the necessary
>> administrative permissions to do very much with a Network at all !
>> ( Both PC's boot straight into Adminstator mode i.e. I've never set up
>> user accounts, as such on them ! )
>>
>> I've tried setting up a workgroup - the type of hardware configuration
>> that one had to select is difficult - though I think I've selected the
>> correct one. Then, the 2nd PC can't display or see the WorkGroup - and
>> when I first ran the Network setup wizard on the 2nd PC, it needed to
>> reboot, and whilst rebooting it decided to do a dos level chkdsk, making
>> me suspect that the Network Connection wizard did all sorts of damage on
>> the 2nd PC before rebooting, as chkdsk / 10 to 20 filenames whizzed up
>> the screen including some *.dll's !
>>
>> Oh, for a "hold-my-hand" tutorial that explains what needs to be set up
>> and how - in Windows !
>>
>> Many years ago I networked a few PC's in Bristol, (no Windows - all DOS
>> based apps.), and one had to assign.exe, or was it subst.exe, (can't
>> remember now), hd C:\ for H:\ so that nodes with SuperCalc v3.0-v5.5?
>> on them , could load up spreadsheets stored on the main PC. Looking
>> back, ....GOODNESS only knows how I got all that working !!! ...and here
>> I am, can't make head nor tails of this facility in Windows !
>>
>> Anyhow, on 2nd PC :-
>> "View Network Connections" contains only one LAN icon - to router -
>> where it gets its' internet connection from I suppose !
>> "View WorkGroup computers" is empty, then a timer bottle - then ""Rjk"
>> (workgroup name i gave it), is not accessible, You migh not have
>> permission....etc."
>> I gathered that the WG name has to be the same on both PC's - will have
>> to urn the network setup wizard on 2nd Pc again I think.
>>
>> ...oh, what joy !!
>>
>> regards, Richard
>>
>>
>> "Curt Christianson" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Richard,
>>>
>>> You're right, this should be a fun experience. I don't anticipate any
>>> problems with WPA, etc.however.
>>> Both machines access the wireless router on their own beautifully, so at
>>> this point I just have to make them "talk" to each other.
>>>
>>> I agree in getting AVG out of the way temporarily. So many users have
>>> problems when their security suites (AVG, Symantec, etc.) are running
>>> when attempting to do updates, etc. Things go much better if they are
>>> not their during major updates, or things of that ilk. Good luck, and
>>> let us know.
>>>
>>> --
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>> Curt
>>>
>>> http://dundats.mvps.org/
>>> http://www.aumha.org/
>>> http://dundats.mvps.org/AutoIt/default.aspx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "RJK" <> wrote in message
>>> news:eeA$...
>>>> "Curt Christianson" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> Hello again Richard,
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with what the others have said. You have all you need right
>>>>> there. There are some really good links provided to you. I have a
>>>>> similar setup in my location, only the "powers that be" will not allow
>>>>> cable to be routed, as the computers are on two different floors. I
>>>>> am going to do just as you--only wireless.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck! This sounds like a good learning experience for both of
>>>>> us.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>
>>>>> Curt
>>>>>
>>>>> http://dundats.mvps.org/
>>>>> http://www.aumha.org/
>>>>> http://dundats.mvps.org/AutoIt/default.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "RJK" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:...
>>>>>> I've been reading some primers on setting up a small home network,
>>>>>> and would like to try networking 2 PC's together, via a router?
>>>>>> ...using ethernet leads i.e. not wireless
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They both have XP Home ed. SP3 ...all up to date with MS security
>>>>>> patches etc.
>>>>>> ...and at the moment, they both get their internet connection from a
>>>>>> Linksys WAG354G (which is an adsl modem/4 port router),
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can this Linksys do the job, or do I need to buy something different
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Completely confused about hubs, routers etc,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Curt,
>>>>
>>>> I finally managed, (after a very long time), to ask my question about
>>>> hardware, specifically its' networking capabilities, ((in an,
>>>> (unusually for me!), succinct fashion)), and got the answer I'd been
>>>> hoping for !
>>>> ...many thanks again to all who finally "drummed" that answer into me !
>>>>
>>>> Now, prior to engaging in a fight with MS's, allegedly, "automatic" and
>>>> very helpful Network configuration Wizard, I thought I'd first
>>>> uninstall, and reinstall AVG 8.0 Internet Security on both of my PC's
>>>> so that all the AVG Standard Firewall "Profiles" e.g. "Small Home or
>>>> Office Network", are all available, ((i.e. I deleted the "Small Home or
>>>> Office Network" profile on both PC's a while ago, ( I have a 5 PC multi
>>>> license pack with AVG)). The intention there was to pre-empt or reduce
>>>> problems with firewalls' when I eventually make my attempt at
>>>> networking the two PC's.
>>>>
>>>> As when installing AVG 8.0 full Internet Security suite on previous
>>>> occasions, I've ended up in almost complete confusion over AVG's
>>>> "Areas and adapter profiles"/"Adapters and Areas,"
>>>> "Adapters connected to Safe Networks," ...(is currently set to
>>>> "Unassigned)"
>>>> "RealTek RTL8139" ......LAN chip on motherboard.
>>>> "All Network Areas / "Orange ?" ...I labelled the "network area"
>>>> "Orange ?" ...possibly that which was detected and demanded a name
>>>> during reinstallation of AVG 8.0 ...so I had yet another cigarette and
>>>> gazed at the screen in wonderment for even more ages, ...wondering if
>>>> the installation routine was asking me about a level of internet access
>>>> security for "Orange," (my ISP is Orange), or was it asking about the
>>>> LAN chip connection to my adsl modem/router ...and now,
>>>> ...after having gazed and re-read the AVG Help pages, for ages, it's
>>>> half past midnight plus ! ....so I'm going to switch it off and go to
>>>> bed.
>>>> ...haven't even reinstalled AVG 8.0 on 2nd PC,
>>>> ...and haven't got anywhere near running MS Network configuration
>>>> wizard !!!
>>>>
>>>> ...regarding your rj45/Cat 5 cable vs. wireless, my WAG354 is
>>>> currently sending internet to my fathers' PC in the house, THAT was an
>>>> experience and a half - matching WPA security keys / channel / setting
>>>> MAC codes in router etc. DHCP / IP / gateway addresses etc.
>>>> ...fighting with it for goodness know how many hours and eventually
>>>> discovering that the Linksys WMP54G pci wireless card application
>>>> software was causing problems ! i.e. one had probably been tweaking
>>>> things that didn't need tweaking, (causing LOTS of time consuming
>>>> frustration), then after upgrading the application software for it,
>>>> from Linksys, most of the problems vanished, ...after changing software
>>>> settings back to those, that hadn't needed changing in the first place
>>>> !
>>>>
>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Well, I just have to say "unfamiliarity CERTAINLY breeds contempt," and
this XP Network Setup Wizard, namely stabbing around in the dark - or if you
prefer doing some trial and error 'ing, is MIND BOGGLINGLY SLOW !!!

What is the point of having a 2 x dual core PC's, when almost everything one
tries in this HIDEOUS "Network setup Wizard" causes either machine to 'go
away' for sometimes up to a MINUTE at a time !!!!!! ? How on earth can one
get on and LEARN anything with coding like this ? ...ONE CAN'T !!

....and just what is causing this "You may not have the necessary
permissions...." error message that can take up to a WHOLE minute to
appear, is baffling !
....then there are the "program is not responding 's..." and when choosing
"End Program" the whole desktop disappears and has to reload - RIDICULOUS
!!!

....though just before it collapsed the last time, I did glimpse 2 PC's
listed in "My Network Places."

BTW my 2 PC's are normally VERY well behaved - I can only guess that this
"Netwrk Wizard thing is a heap of rubbish !!!!!

regards, Richard


"RJK" <> wrote in message
news:%23fzluq%...
> ...have switched on Upnp in WAG354G hoping that may help,
> 2nd PC "My Network Places" is bombing out with "Program not responding"
> after clicking the "Back" button on upper toobar !!
> ...pretty sure I'm heading for a repair install on 2nd Pc !!
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "Curt Christianson" <> wrote in message
> news:uTD4nY%...
>> Richard,
>>
>> I have a feeling things may not go as smooth as I think they will. My
>> only consolation is this project is only for fun, and I really have no
>> need to share with the other machine.
>>
>> --
>> HTH,
>>
>> Curt
>>
>> http://dundats.mvps.org/
>> http://www.aumha.org/
>> http://dundats.mvps.org/AutoIt/default.aspx
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "RJK" <> wrote in message
>> news:%23vc$...
>>> This is like trying to find a needle in a haystack !
>>> ...All I've managed so far is to get my main PC warning me that if I
>>> proceed - everyone on the internet will be able to see my files and use
>>> my printers !
>>> ...and the 2nd PC which tells me that I do not have the necessary
>>> administrative permissions to do very much with a Network at all !
>>> ( Both PC's boot straight into Adminstator mode i.e. I've never set up
>>> user accounts, as such on them ! )
>>>
>>> I've tried setting up a workgroup - the type of hardware configuration
>>> that one had to select is difficult - though I think I've selected the
>>> correct one. Then, the 2nd PC can't display or see the WorkGroup - and
>>> when I first ran the Network setup wizard on the 2nd PC, it needed to
>>> reboot, and whilst rebooting it decided to do a dos level chkdsk, making
>>> me suspect that the Network Connection wizard did all sorts of damage on
>>> the 2nd PC before rebooting, as chkdsk / 10 to 20 filenames whizzed up
>>> the screen including some *.dll's !
>>>
>>> Oh, for a "hold-my-hand" tutorial that explains what needs to be set up
>>> and how - in Windows !
>>>
>>> Many years ago I networked a few PC's in Bristol, (no Windows - all DOS
>>> based apps.), and one had to assign.exe, or was it subst.exe, (can't
>>> remember now), hd C:\ for H:\ so that nodes with SuperCalc v3.0-v5.5?
>>> on them , could load up spreadsheets stored on the main PC. Looking
>>> back, ....GOODNESS only knows how I got all that working !!! ...and
>>> here I am, can't make head nor tails of this facility in Windows !
>>>
>>> Anyhow, on 2nd PC :-
>>> "View Network Connections" contains only one LAN icon - to router -
>>> where it gets its' internet connection from I suppose !
>>> "View WorkGroup computers" is empty, then a timer bottle - then ""Rjk"
>>> (workgroup name i gave it), is not accessible, You migh not have
>>> permission....etc."
>>> I gathered that the WG name has to be the same on both PC's - will have
>>> to urn the network setup wizard on 2nd Pc again I think.
>>>
>>> ...oh, what joy !!
>>>
>>> regards, Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> "Curt Christianson" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> Richard,
>>>>
>>>> You're right, this should be a fun experience. I don't anticipate any
>>>> problems with WPA, etc.however.
>>>> Both machines access the wireless router on their own beautifully, so
>>>> at this point I just have to make them "talk" to each other.
>>>>
>>>> I agree in getting AVG out of the way temporarily. So many users have
>>>> problems when their security suites (AVG, Symantec, etc.) are running
>>>> when attempting to do updates, etc. Things go much better if they are
>>>> not their during major updates, or things of that ilk. Good luck, and
>>>> let us know.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> HTH,
>>>>
>>>> Curt
>>>>
>>>> http://dundats.mvps.org/
>>>> http://www.aumha.org/
>>>> http://dundats.mvps.org/AutoIt/default.aspx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "RJK" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:eeA$...
>>>>> "Curt Christianson" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:...
>>>>>> Hello again Richard,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with what the others have said. You have all you need right
>>>>>> there. There are some really good links provided to you. I have a
>>>>>> similar setup in my location, only the "powers that be" will not
>>>>>> allow cable to be routed, as the computers are on two different
>>>>>> floors. I am going to do just as you--only wireless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck! This sounds like a good learning experience for both of
>>>>>> us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Curt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://dundats.mvps.org/
>>>>>> http://www.aumha.org/
>>>>>> http://dundats.mvps.org/AutoIt/default.aspx
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "RJK" <> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>> I've been reading some primers on setting up a small home network,
>>>>>>> and would like to try networking 2 PC's together, via a router?
>>>>>>> ...using ethernet leads i.e. not wireless
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They both have XP Home ed. SP3 ...all up to date with MS security
>>>>>>> patches etc.
>>>>>>> ...and at the moment, they both get their internet connection from a
>>>>>>> Linksys WAG354G (which is an adsl modem/4 port router),
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can this Linksys do the job, or do I need to buy something different
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Completely confused about hubs, routers etc,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Curt,
>>>>>
>>>>> I finally managed, (after a very long time), to ask my question about
>>>>> hardware, specifically its' networking capabilities, ((in an,
>>>>> (unusually for me!), succinct fashion)), and got the answer I'd been
>>>>> hoping for !
>>>>> ...many thanks again to all who finally "drummed" that answer into me
>>>>> !
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, prior to engaging in a fight with MS's, allegedly, "automatic"
>>>>> and very helpful Network configuration Wizard, I thought I'd first
>>>>> uninstall, and reinstall AVG 8.0 Internet Security on both of my PC's
>>>>> so that all the AVG Standard Firewall "Profiles" e.g. "Small Home or
>>>>> Office Network", are all available, ((i.e. I deleted the "Small Home
>>>>> or Office Network" profile on both PC's a while ago, ( I have a 5 PC
>>>>> multi license pack with AVG)). The intention there was to pre-empt or
>>>>> reduce problems with firewalls' when I eventually make my attempt at
>>>>> networking the two PC's.
>>>>>
>>>>> As when installing AVG 8.0 full Internet Security suite on previous
>>>>> occasions, I've ended up in almost complete confusion over AVG's
>>>>> "Areas and adapter profiles"/"Adapters and Areas,"
>>>>> "Adapters connected to Safe Networks," ...(is currently set to
>>>>> "Unassigned)"
>>>>> "RealTek RTL8139" ......LAN chip on motherboard.
>>>>> "All Network Areas / "Orange ?" ...I labelled the "network area"
>>>>> "Orange ?" ...possibly that which was detected and demanded a name
>>>>> during reinstallation of AVG 8.0 ...so I had yet another cigarette and
>>>>> gazed at the screen in wonderment for even more ages, ...wondering if
>>>>> the installation routine was asking me about a level of internet
>>>>> access security for "Orange," (my ISP is Orange), or was it asking
>>>>> about the LAN chip connection to my adsl modem/router ...and now,
>>>>> ...after having gazed and re-read the AVG Help pages, for ages, it's
>>>>> half past midnight plus ! ....so I'm going to switch it off and go to
>>>>> bed.
>>>>> ...haven't even reinstalled AVG 8.0 on 2nd PC,
>>>>> ...and haven't got anywhere near running MS Network configuration
>>>>> wizard !!!
>>>>>
>>>>> ...regarding your rj45/Cat 5 cable vs. wireless, my WAG354 is
>>>>> currently sending internet to my fathers' PC in the house, THAT was
>>>>> an experience and a half - matching WPA security keys / channel /
>>>>> setting MAC codes in router etc. DHCP / IP / gateway addresses etc.
>>>>> ...fighting with it for goodness know how many hours and eventually
>>>>> discovering that the Linksys WMP54G pci wireless card application
>>>>> software was causing problems ! i.e. one had probably been tweaking
>>>>> things that didn't need tweaking, (causing LOTS of time consuming
>>>>> frustration), then after upgrading the application software for it,
>>>>> from Linksys, most of the problems vanished, ...after changing
>>>>> software settings back to those, that hadn't needed changing in the
>>>>> first place !
>>>>>
>>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>