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Hi there,

I recently installed Vista HP on our desktop in Edinburgh, so
we can sell it before we leave Scottish shores and head home
to NZ and Australia. Prior to that it had an install of openSUSE
11 and ran for the best part flawlessly, with no indication of
hard disk trouble.

During installation Vista locked up doing the initial performance
test, and the hard disk would not boot after reset. I had to
physically power down the machine and wait 30 seconds before
the hard disk would boot again. Vista seems to run OK, but whenever
it crashes (1-2 times weekly) again the hard disk will not boot on
reset, and requires a physical power-down and wait before it will
boot. The disk is a mid-priced Maxtor SATA2 one...

WTF is Vista doing that will prevent a disk from booting? And can
I stop it doing that?

Kind regards,

Chris Wilkinson, Edinburgh.

Hi there,

Puddle wrote:
> Chris Wilkinson wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I recently installed Vista HP on our desktop in Edinburgh, so
>> we can sell it before we leave Scottish shores and head home
>> to NZ and Australia. Prior to that it had an install of openSUSE
>> 11 and ran for the best part flawlessly, with no indication of
>> hard disk trouble.
>>
>> During installation Vista locked up doing the initial performance
>> test, and the hard disk would not boot after reset. I had to
>> physically power down the machine and wait 30 seconds before
>> the hard disk would boot again. Vista seems to run OK, but whenever
>> it crashes (1-2 times weekly) again the hard disk will not boot on
>> reset, and requires a physical power-down and wait before it will
>> boot. The disk is a mid-priced Maxtor SATA2 one...
>>
>> WTF is Vista doing that will prevent a disk from booting? And can
>> I stop it doing that?
>
> No offense mate, but I have quite a few friends that settled in the UK,
> most of them were in the bean counter class.. I am a aussie citizen and
> watch the horders move from NZ to our fine shores.. it is understandable
> of course!!

None taken. I'm no bean counter, but my line of work involves
the internal engineering of the glass towers that bean counters
like to inhabit. Without my lovely drawings showing plumbers
where to put water and sewerage all your bean counter mates would
**** and **** in the streets, and drink outta the Thames...

> the question is, why are you using vista??
> use xp....

Have you seen the price of XP here? Its cheaper to get Vista. The
strategy MS use to "encourage" people to buy Vista, is to make XP
so expensive for OEM's and system builders that they're more or less
"forced" into buying Vista, to lower initial costs.

> or.. do you like problem solving?

I'm up for a challenge usually, but openSUSE in the 1.5 months
it was used on said PC gave me fewer challenges in that time
than did Vista on its 1st day...

I'm only putting Vista on it so some Windows drone will be more
interested in buying it...

Kind regards,

Chris Wilkinson, Edinburgh.

Hi there,

impossible dribbled:
>
> "Chris Wilkinson" <> wrote in message
> news:EFBMk.243581$2...
>> Hi there,
>>
>> Puddle wrote:
>>> Chris Wilkinson wrote:
>>>> Hi there,
>>>>
>>>> I recently installed Vista HP on our desktop in Edinburgh, so
>>>> we can sell it before we leave Scottish shores and head home
>>>> to NZ and Australia. Prior to that it had an install of openSUSE
>>>> 11 and ran for the best part flawlessly, with no indication of
>>>> hard disk trouble.
>>>>
>>>> During installation Vista locked up doing the initial performance
>>>> test, and the hard disk would not boot after reset. I had to
>>>> physically power down the machine and wait 30 seconds before
>>>> the hard disk would boot again. Vista seems to run OK, but whenever
>>>> it crashes (1-2 times weekly) again the hard disk will not boot on
>>>> reset, and requires a physical power-down and wait before it will
>>>> boot. The disk is a mid-priced Maxtor SATA2 one...
>
>>>> WTF is Vista doing that will prevent a disk from booting? And can
>>>> I stop it doing that?
>
> <shakes head> Not a "Vista" issue. But then you knew that, troll.

Perhaps you would care to explain how that isn't a Vista issue?

If you aren't gonna give me the benefit of the doubt before you
jump in trolling, perhaps you should just **** off. I *am* trying
to solve this issue, as the PC in question is for sale.

Kind regards,

Chris Wilkinson, Edinburgh.

Chris Wilkinson wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I recently installed Vista HP on our desktop in Edinburgh, so
> we can sell it before we leave Scottish shores and head home
> to NZ and Australia. Prior to that it had an install of openSUSE
> 11 and ran for the best part flawlessly, with no indication of
> hard disk trouble.
>
> During installation Vista locked up doing the initial performance
> test, and the hard disk would not boot after reset. I had to
> physically power down the machine and wait 30 seconds before
> the hard disk would boot again. Vista seems to run OK, but whenever
> it crashes (1-2 times weekly) again the hard disk will not boot on
> reset, and requires a physical power-down and wait before it will
> boot. The disk is a mid-priced Maxtor SATA2 one...
>
> WTF is Vista doing that will prevent a disk from booting? And can
> I stop it doing that?
>
May be coincidence. Didja try to put linux on it again? If that bombs
it's a coincidence. BTW I've done exactly that - removed Linux installed
Windows only to find it wouldn't boot. Went back to Linux and it
wouldn't install. Conclusion - the disk went belly up - reason unknown.

Cheers,

Cliff

Cheers,

Cliff

--

Tax is not theft.

"Chris Wilkinson" <> wrote in message
news:2lNMk.85796$2...
> Hi there,
>
> impossible dribbled:
>>
>> "Chris Wilkinson" <> wrote in message
>> news:EFBMk.243581$2...
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> Puddle wrote:
>>>> Chris Wilkinson wrote:
>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>
>>>>> I recently installed Vista HP on our desktop in Edinburgh, so
>>>>> we can sell it before we leave Scottish shores and head home
>>>>> to NZ and Australia. Prior to that it had an install of openSUSE
>>>>> 11 and ran for the best part flawlessly, with no indication of
>>>>> hard disk trouble.
>>>>>
>>>>> During installation Vista locked up doing the initial performance
>>>>> test, and the hard disk would not boot after reset. I had to
>>>>> physically power down the machine and wait 30 seconds before
>>>>> the hard disk would boot again. Vista seems to run OK, but whenever
>>>>> it crashes (1-2 times weekly) again the hard disk will not boot on
>>>>> reset, and requires a physical power-down and wait before it will
>>>>> boot. The disk is a mid-priced Maxtor SATA2 one...
>>
>>>>> WTF is Vista doing that will prevent a disk from booting? And can
>>>>> I stop it doing that?
>>
>> <shakes head> Not a "Vista" issue. But then you knew that, troll.
>
> Perhaps you would care to explain how that isn't a Vista issue?
>

Because Vista is an operating system. It doesn't "prevent a disk from
booting" anymore than Suse Linux does.

So do what any sensible person would do in the circumstance. Be sure that
you have all the latest driver updates installed -- check especially for
updates from your motherboard manufacturer, including bios updates. Check
the system logs -- Vista provides plenty of information about all recorded
faults.

Then report back with detailed information and hope that you haven't so
aggravated the knowledegable people here with your troll-bait that they
can't be bothered helping you.

In article <2lNMk.85796$2>,
says...
> >>>> During installation Vista locked up doing the initial performance
> >>>> test, and the hard disk would not boot after reset. I had to
> >>>> physically power down the machine and wait 30 seconds before
> >>>> the hard disk would boot again. Vista seems to run OK, but whenever
> >>>> it crashes (1-2 times weekly) again the hard disk will not boot on
> >>>> reset, and requires a physical power-down and wait before it will
> >>>> boot. The disk is a mid-priced Maxtor SATA2 one...
> >
> >>>> WTF is Vista doing that will prevent a disk from booting? And can
> >>>> I stop it doing that?
> >

The success with the hard power down suggests to me that there may be an
issue with critical memory getting corrupted/overwritten and that this
persists through a soft reboot.

I've had issues like that a few times (on XP Pro), I think an earlier
version of Firefox was at fault, causing this after the machine had been
up a week or two. Memory leak? Overflow error? Don't rightly know.

Might even be some other hardware problem, one of our computers was
getting more and more weird over the last 6 months, in the end I gave it
a new mobo, cpu, ram (2nd hand stuff) and it got even weirder. Then it
started beeping urgently after running a little while; thought it was
overheating, but no. In the end it was a new psu that solved it.

If that was my system there, I'd be swapping bits of hardware around to
see if that makes any difference.

-P.

Hi there,

Enkidu wrote:
> Chris Wilkinson wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I recently installed Vista HP on our desktop in Edinburgh, so
>> we can sell it before we leave Scottish shores and head home
>> to NZ and Australia. Prior to that it had an install of openSUSE
>> 11 and ran for the best part flawlessly, with no indication of
>> hard disk trouble.
>>
>> During installation Vista locked up doing the initial performance
>> test, and the hard disk would not boot after reset. I had to
>> physically power down the machine and wait 30 seconds before
>> the hard disk would boot again. Vista seems to run OK, but whenever
>> it crashes (1-2 times weekly) again the hard disk will not boot on
>> reset, and requires a physical power-down and wait before it will
>> boot. The disk is a mid-priced Maxtor SATA2 one...
>>
>> WTF is Vista doing that will prevent a disk from booting? And can
>> I stop it doing that?
>>
> May be coincidence. Didja try to put linux on it again? If that bombs
> it's a coincidence. BTW I've done exactly that - removed Linux installed
> Windows only to find it wouldn't boot. Went back to Linux and it
> wouldn't install. Conclusion - the disk went belly up - reason unknown.

I didn't re-install SuSE, but did boot a Live SuSE DVD - SuSE could
mount the hard disk, read/write it, and doing a check with fsck.ntfs
found nothing untoward. Without the cold boot I could still not boot
Vista. The disks smart monitoring reports everything to be AOK...

Its odd, but Vista is behaving better, in that regard at least, of
late. No crashes for a few days now...

Kind regards,

Chris Wilkinson, Edinburgh.

Hi there,

impossible wrote:
>
> "Chris Wilkinson" <> wrote in message
> news:2lNMk.85796$2...
>> Hi there,
>>
>> impossible dribbled:
>>>
>>> "Chris Wilkinson" <> wrote in message
>>> news:EFBMk.243581$2...
>>>> Hi there,
>>>>
>>>> Puddle wrote:
>>>>> Chris Wilkinson wrote:
>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I recently installed Vista HP on our desktop in Edinburgh, so
>>>>>> we can sell it before we leave Scottish shores and head home
>>>>>> to NZ and Australia. Prior to that it had an install of openSUSE
>>>>>> 11 and ran for the best part flawlessly, with no indication of
>>>>>> hard disk trouble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> During installation Vista locked up doing the initial performance
>>>>>> test, and the hard disk would not boot after reset. I had to
>>>>>> physically power down the machine and wait 30 seconds before
>>>>>> the hard disk would boot again. Vista seems to run OK, but whenever
>>>>>> it crashes (1-2 times weekly) again the hard disk will not boot on
>>>>>> reset, and requires a physical power-down and wait before it will
>>>>>> boot. The disk is a mid-priced Maxtor SATA2 one...
>>>
>>>>>> WTF is Vista doing that will prevent a disk from booting? And can
>>>>>> I stop it doing that?
>>>
>>> <shakes head> Not a "Vista" issue. But then you knew that, troll.
>>
>> Perhaps you would care to explain how that isn't a Vista issue?
>
> Because Vista is an operating system. It doesn't "prevent a disk from
> booting" anymore than Suse Linux does.
>
> So do what any sensible person would do in the circumstance. Be sure
> that you have all the latest driver updates installed -- check
> especially for updates from your motherboard manufacturer, including
> bios updates. Check the system logs -- Vista provides plenty of
> information about all recorded faults.

Latest BIOS, latest nForce drivers - all is as up-to-date as it
can be. It actually required a cold boot when I did the BIOS and
drivers update last week - soft booting meant the hard disk would
not bootload. Since then I've set the disk to cableselect as an
experiment, and that seems to have helped but not solved the issue.

> Then report back with detailed information and hope that you haven't so
> aggravated the knowledegable people here with your troll-bait that they
> can't be bothered helping you.

So you jumping in and not offering anything useful is kosher is it?
Your first reply contained nothing other than a useless assertion,
and accusatory remark. Perhaps, if you are prepared to make such a
suggestion to me, you should follow your own advice.

Kind regards,

Chris Wilkinson, Edinburgh.

In article <QW1Nk.72991$2>,
says...
>
> So you jumping in and not offering anything useful is kosher is it?
> Your first reply contained nothing other than a useless assertion,
> and accusatory remark. Perhaps, if you are prepared to make such a
> suggestion to me, you should follow your own advice.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Chris Wilkinson, Edinburgh.
>

Chris, his handle really says it all: it's *impossible* to have a
meaningful discussion with him. Just don't bother, it's not worth the
effort; he doesn't get it, whatever you say and however you rephrase.
I only see his posts when he's annoyed somebody else (like you) with his
dimwitted conjecture.

-Peter

In message <> , Peter Huebner
wrote:

> Chris, his handle really says it all: it's *impossible* to have a
> meaningful discussion with him.

I wonder if he's the same character as Loverock Davidson...