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In article <>,
Joy Beeson <> wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:36:09 -0500, wodehouse <>
> wrote:
>
> > He might want to know that a substitute would be "meet in fellowship,"
> > or "come together in fellowship."
> >
> > But that still leaves out the ladies, even the finest Aussie ones.
>
> That's going to be big news to the all-female fellowship committee at
> the nearest Free Methodist church.

The use of "fellowship", as with "he" or "him" does not really imply
that men are being talked about. It is an old convention. Bit like
saying "mankind" or "human". Some writers have taken to saying "she"
when they are not particularly meaning female, this can strike some
readers as a little too stridently trying to redress a historical bias.
On the other hand, one can have sympathy with such writers because their
only alternative is to simply parade this bias forever.

English could do with a pronoun that meant either male or female rather
than "he" (or in modern writing, sometimes, "she" to do the job).

If only all earthlings could be like me where "it" is a perfectly apt
way of referring to me.

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On 2008-10-11, richard wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:31:19 +0000, "Chris F.A. Johnson"
><> wrote:
>
>>On 2008-10-11, richard wrote:
>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:49:13 -0700 (PDT), hamiltoncruiser
>>><> wrote:
>>>
>>>>My friend is doing the church website and on his IE browser the top
>>>>banner looks OK, like this:
>>>>
>>>>HAMILTON CHURCH OF CHRIST
>>>>A great place to worship and fellowship. There’s room for you too.
>>>>
>>>>On my FF browser it looks like this:
>>>>
>>>>HAMILTON CHURCH OF CHRIST A great place to
>>>>worship and fellowship. There’s room for you too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Both lines are centered when looking at it in both browsers (I did not
>>>>know how to center it for this post)
>>>>
>>>>My friend say it can't be fixed for FF. Can the code be written so
>>>>both IE and FF display it correctly?
>>>>
>>>>The site is http://hamiltonchurchofchrist.net/index.html
>>>
>>> Your friend might be educated by looking at www.oswd.org
>>
>> That's how it should be done? You're joking, right?
>> <http://cfaj.freeshell.org/testing/oswd.jpg>
>>
>
> That's a good one. I'm damn glad now that the examples offered are
> much better than the main site. Maybe they should use one of them eh?

You mean, like <http://cfaj.freeshell.org/testing/oswd3.jpg>?
Or their many non-scalable designs?

If they can't do a decent job on their own flagship site, how do
you expect them to do others any better?

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In article <>,
Joy Beeson <> wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:44:48 +1100, dorayme
> <> wrote:
>
> > If only all earthlings could be like me where "it" is a perfectly apt
> > way of referring to me.
>
> "It" used to be a perfectly normal way to refer to an unspecified
> human, or one of a mixed group. This sometimes gives me a turn when
> reading old books, as in "the children managed to crowd themselves
> into the carriage without anyone getting its feet stepped on."
>
> Joy Beeson

Iteresting. I know that a baby or small child, often to the dismay of
mothers, are referred to as it. Perhaps this is one of those variations.

If you come across references like this with adults in mind I would be
interested to see.

"the soldiers managed to crowd themselves into the carriage without
anyone getting its feet shot off by way of safety catches being jostled
off"

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dorayme wrote:

> "the soldiers managed to crowd themselves into the carriage without
> anyone getting its feet shot off by way of safety catches being jostled
> off"

I'd have to read that as the carriage having feet...

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On 12 Oct 2008, Els <> wrote:

> dorayme wrote:
>
>> "the soldiers managed to crowd themselves into the carriage without
>> anyone getting its feet shot off by way of safety catches being
>> jostled off"
>
> I'd have to read that as the carriage having feet...

Maybe it was a pumpkin come to life...

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On 11 Oct 2008, wodehouse <> wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:22:11 +0200, Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> On 10 Oct 2008, dorayme <> wrote:
>>
>>> btw, "fellowship", unlike "worship" does not have a noun form and
>>> so the sentence it is in looks bad to me.
>>
>> "Fellowship" is a noun(-form) but the sentence to which you refer:
>>
>> (HAMILTON CHURCH OF CHRIST A great place to worship and
>> fellowship.)
>>
>> is actually trying to use it as a verbform (-infinitive).
>
> He might want to know that a substitute would be "meet in
> fellowship," or "come together in fellowship."
>
> But that still leaves out the ladies, even the finest Aussie ones.

Over here in the states one can find lots of fellow-ladies if one looks
in the right clubs.

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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:42:42 -0700, richard writ:

> Your friend might be educated by looking at www.oswd.org and seeing how
> real coding is done.

heheh...

> <div class="topline">NAME</div>
> <div class="line1">This is line one</div> <div class="line2">this lis
> line two</div>

Yuck. I hate this sort of crap, which is so prevalent at oswd. Every damn
thing on a web page doesn't go in its own <div>. I suppose the css for
"topline" would make it resemble an <h1>. Ridiculous.

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In alt.html on Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:19:53 +0100, +mrcakey
<> wrote:

> "Peter J Ross" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> In alt.html on Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:27:31 -0700 (PDT), hamiltoncruiser
>> <> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for your input. I am not in control of all this at al. But I
>>> will pass your suggestions on.
>>
>> Perhaps somebody who *is* in control of "all this" might be willing to
>> post here. The site isn't badly designed, but the HTML markup is
>> horrible.
>>
>
> In what way is it not badly designed?!!!!!

The title is at the top, the menu is at the left, and the colours and
images aren't bad. The realisation of the design in markup is the only
thing I really object to.


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In article <1sk3wttvdzsv2.1sfzp2l2qw92o$.>,
Els <> wrote:

> dorayme wrote:
>
> > "the soldiers managed to crowd themselves into the carriage without
> > anyone getting its feet shot off by way of safety catches being jostled
> > off"
>
> I'd have to read that as the carriage having feet...

Yes, that would be one reading! I forget if The Little Engine That Could
had feet. Just btw, of course. <g>

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