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Ray Greene wrote:
> Can anyone tell me if it is possible to run VOIP or similar over a
> network with no connection to the internet?
>
> I have 2 sites connected only by a few kilometers of fibre and need to
> have a telephone link between them. There's no cellphone coverage
> there and no line of sight.
>
> Maybe there is a hardware solution, but I don't know much about
> telephones. Suggestions anyone?
>

Check out http://www.grandstream.com/bt101.html

They can do direct IP calling and are on sale at the moment at dick smiths!

Smiles wrote:
> Ray Greene wrote:
>> Can anyone tell me if it is possible to run VOIP or similar over a
>> network with no connection to the internet?
>>
>> I have 2 sites connected only by a few kilometers of fibre and need to
>> have a telephone link between them. There's no cellphone coverage
>> there and no line of sight.
>>
>> Maybe there is a hardware solution, but I don't know much about
>> telephones. Suggestions anyone?
>>
>
> Check out http://www.grandstream.com/bt101.html
>
> They can do direct IP calling and are on sale at the moment at dick smiths!


As a quick side note they are branded with slingshot which means the
admin P/W is budgeclub

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:21:23 +1200, thing2 <>
wrote:

>Ray Greene wrote:
>> Can anyone tell me if it is possible to run VOIP or similar over a
>> network with no connection to the internet?
>
>yes...
>
>> I have 2 sites connected only by a few kilometers of fibre and need to
>> have a telephone link between them. There's no cellphone coverage
>> there and no line of sight.
>>
>> Maybe there is a hardware solution, but I don't know much about
>> telephones. Suggestions anyone?
>
>Some of the things I started to look at are OSS, a VoIP gateway...I
>never went much further...I would expect that there is a small SME
>blackbox out there that you just plugin to your ethernet network...and
>get a ethernet phone or two and off you go...

That would be the Linksys box that EMB recommended. I've ordered one
and I'll be installing it tomorrow if it turns up.

--
Ray Greene

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:46:28 +1200, Smiles <> wrote:

>Ray Greene wrote:
>> Can anyone tell me if it is possible to run VOIP or similar over a
>> network with no connection to the internet?
>>
>> I have 2 sites connected only by a few kilometers of fibre and need to
>> have a telephone link between them. There's no cellphone coverage
>> there and no line of sight.
>>
>> Maybe there is a hardware solution, but I don't know much about
>> telephones. Suggestions anyone?
>>
>
>Check out http://www.grandstream.com/bt101.html
>
>They can do direct IP calling and are on sale at the moment at dick smiths!

I think these units require teh intarweb or a PBX.

--
Ray Greene

Ray Greene wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:46:28 +1200, Smiles <> wrote:
>
>> Ray Greene wrote:
>>> Can anyone tell me if it is possible to run VOIP or similar over a
>>> network with no connection to the internet?
>>>
>>> I have 2 sites connected only by a few kilometers of fibre and need to
>>> have a telephone link between them. There's no cellphone coverage
>>> there and no line of sight.
>>>
>>> Maybe there is a hardware solution, but I don't know much about
>>> telephones. Suggestions anyone?
>>>
>> Check out http://www.grandstream.com/bt101.html
>>
>> They can do direct IP calling and are on sale at the moment at dick smiths!
>
> I think these units require teh intarweb or a PBX.
>
If it can do direct IP calling, as claimed by Smiles, maybe not.

Cheers,

Cliff

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On 2008-08-28, Ray Greene <> wrote:
> On 28 Aug 2008 22:49:23 +1200, Carnations <>
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:14:40 +1200, Ray Greene wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone tell me if it is possible to run VOIP or similar over a
>>> network with no connection to the internet?
>>>
>>> I have 2 sites connected only by a few kilometers of fibre and need to
>>> have a telephone link between them. There's no cellphone coverage there
>>> and no line of sight.
>>>
>>> Maybe there is a hardware solution, but I don't know much about
>>> telephones. Suggestions anyone?
>>
>>Yes - VOIP is best used on circuits where you can control and specify the
>>Quality Of Service (QOS) that is used to deliver the VOIP packets. You
>>may want to investigate an PBX application called Asterisk. You'll
>>probably need something like that if you want to run VOIP telephony.
>>
>>http://www.asterisk.org/
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asterisk_PBX
>>
>>Also, depending on the size of that fibre pipe you'll probably want to
>>check out what sort of compression codec you want to use as that can make
>>a big difference both to the clarity of the sound and the bandwidth used.
>
> Thanks, I'll check it out. I suspect it might be overkill for this
> particular situation though.

If you already have a pc at atleast one end of the line it may be
cheaper than the linksys pabx the asterisk software is free.

Bye.
Jasen

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:35:26 +1200, Enkidu <>
wrote:

>Ray Greene wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:46:28 +1200, Smiles <> wrote:
>>
>>> Ray Greene wrote:
>>>> Can anyone tell me if it is possible to run VOIP or similar over a
>>>> network with no connection to the internet?
>>>>
>>>> I have 2 sites connected only by a few kilometers of fibre and need to
>>>> have a telephone link between them. There's no cellphone coverage
>>>> there and no line of sight.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe there is a hardware solution, but I don't know much about
>>>> telephones. Suggestions anyone?
>>>>
>>> Check out http://www.grandstream.com/bt101.html
>>>
>>> They can do direct IP calling and are on sale at the moment at dick smiths!
>>
>> I think these units require teh intarweb or a PBX.
>>
>If it can do direct IP calling, as claimed by Smiles, maybe not.
>
OK, I'll have to have a closer look then. I've found a solution for
this particular job but it's bound to come up again in future.

--
Ray Greene

On 2008-08-29, thingy <> wrote:

>>> Ray Greene wrote:
>>>> I have 2 sites connected only by a few kilometers of fibre and need to
>>>> have a telephone link between them. There's no cellphone coverage
>>>> there and no line of sight.

> Line of sight?

he says no.

Bye.
Jasen

On 29 Aug 2008 10:17:33 GMT, Jasen Betts <> wrote:

>On 2008-08-28, Ray Greene <> wrote:
>> On 28 Aug 2008 22:49:23 +1200, Carnations <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:14:40 +1200, Ray Greene wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can anyone tell me if it is possible to run VOIP or similar over a
>>>> network with no connection to the internet?
>>>>
>>>> I have 2 sites connected only by a few kilometers of fibre and need to
>>>> have a telephone link between them. There's no cellphone coverage there
>>>> and no line of sight.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe there is a hardware solution, but I don't know much about
>>>> telephones. Suggestions anyone?
>>>
>>>Yes - VOIP is best used on circuits where you can control and specify the
>>>Quality Of Service (QOS) that is used to deliver the VOIP packets. You
>>>may want to investigate an PBX application called Asterisk. You'll
>>>probably need something like that if you want to run VOIP telephony.
>>>
>>>http://www.asterisk.org/
>>>
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asterisk_PBX
>>>
>>>Also, depending on the size of that fibre pipe you'll probably want to
>>>check out what sort of compression codec you want to use as that can make
>>>a big difference both to the clarity of the sound and the bandwidth used.
>>
>> Thanks, I'll check it out. I suspect it might be overkill for this
>> particular situation though.
>
>If you already have a pc at atleast one end of the line it may be
>cheaper than the linksys pabx the asterisk software is free.
>
There are PCs at each end but they are running their own specialised
software and can't be used for anything else, so unfortunately it
would require a new PC.

--
Ray Greene

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:04:50 +1200, thingy <>
wrote:

>Ray Greene wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:21:23 +1200, thing2 <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ray Greene wrote:
>>>> Can anyone tell me if it is possible to run VOIP or similar over a
>>>> network with no connection to the internet?
>>> yes...
>>>
>>>> I have 2 sites connected only by a few kilometers of fibre and need to
>>>> have a telephone link between them. There's no cellphone coverage
>>>> there and no line of sight.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe there is a hardware solution, but I don't know much about
>>>> telephones. Suggestions anyone?
>>> Some of the things I started to look at are OSS, a VoIP gateway...I
>>> never went much further...I would expect that there is a small SME
>>> blackbox out there that you just plugin to your ethernet network...and
>>> get a ethernet phone or two and off you go...
>>
>> That would be the Linksys box that EMB recommended. I've ordered one
>> and I'll be installing it tomorrow if it turns up.
>>
>
>Line of sight? <3km? What about 2 prs base stations?
>
No line of sight unfortunately, or we might have gone that way.

--
Ray Greene