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Noons wrote:
> SMS wrote,on my timestamp of 24/08/2008 11:12 AM:
>
>>>> The charter for rec.photo.equipment.35mm does not mention film. The
>>>> post is on-topic.
>>>
>>> No it's not. The 50D is NOT a 35mm camera
>>> nor does it have a 35mm size sensor.
>>
>> Read the charter.
>
> why don't you?
And what about the charter explicitly mentions the item
being discussed must have a 35mm sized sensor?
The Canon APS-C series cameras, Nikon DX series & the
equivalents from other brands, all possess a lens mount that
is derived from older 35mm film cameras. All are capable of
mounting the same lenses that would be used on their older
film cameras. All use the same flashguns, in many cases they
use the same remotes, etc. Canon, Nikon and soon Sony (and
bets are on for Pentax too) have digital cameras where the
sensor size is essentially the same as the usable area on a
standard frame of 35mm film. These cameras are most
definitely 35mm cameras, even though they don't use 35mm
film. In almost every respect, the smaller format cameras
are either identical to, similar to, or derived from, 35mm
film and/or digital counterparts.

Considering the charter of rpe35 does not mention the word
"film", but simply mentions 35mm equipment, I personally
consider the discussion of these smaller format cameras to
be totally on-topic. Judging by the proportion of posts that
discuss these cameras, vs the number of complainers, it
would appear my view is in the majority.

Discussion of MF format cameras would be off-topic, and
there are no surprises that MF format is rarely discussed in
rpe35 except where comparing it to 35mm. When you compare a
typical MF format camera to a 35mm camera you will see very
little in common. In fact I would say there are more
similarities between small-format DSLR and 35mm FSLR, than
there are between MF FSLR and 35mm FSLR.

The life of a newsgroup can and will take different courses
as society progresses. Bear in mind that these charters were
prepared 13 years ago, and a hell of a lot has changed since
then. Unless you want rpe35 to wither and die, this sort of
thing should be allowed to be discussed.

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:10:06 -0700, David Nebenzahl wrote:

>>> This post is off-topic for this newsgroup, rec.photo.equipment.35mm, which
>>> is concerned with film cameras that use 35mm film, not digital cameras
>>> that look like 35mm SLRs.
>>>
>> What is FILM???
>
> Good question, but I've got a better one: what is "digital"?

Little Jack Horner knows, and he just just downgraded his DSLR so
that it can now use film :

http://www.photowarehouse.co.nz/delkin/

Doug Jewell wrote,on my timestamp of 24/08/2008 1:31 PM:

> And what about the charter explicitly mentions the item being discussed
> must have a 35mm sized sensor?

I dunno, lessee: maybe perhaps the name?
As in: "equipment.35mm"
But any idiot can figure that out, apparently
you need it spelled out. Here:
e-q-u-i-p-m-e-n-t-.-3-5-m-m
Better now?

<rest of utter crap argumentation deleted, for sanity reasons>


> Unless you want rpe35 to
> wither and die,

and why not? Because you and the other
pbase scam trolls want to occupy it doesn't mean
its charter should not be obeyed. Want to talk
digital defective sensors, create your own group
or **** OFF to one of the many digital photography
ones. Why don't you?

Alfred Molon wrote,on my timestamp of 24/08/2008 2:59 PM:

>
> As somebody else wrote, the charter also mentions half-frame cameras and
> cameras with an APS-C sized sensor fall in this category.

Actually, they completely don't.
But don't let simple facts interfere
with your dreams.

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:12:31 -0700, David Nebenzahl <>
wrote:
: On 8/23/2008 8:16 AM No Spam spake thus:
:
: > "David Nebenzahl" <> wrote in message
: > news:48afa782$0$31974$ s.com...
: >> On 8/22/2008 12:56 PM the_niner_nation spake thus:
: >>
: >>> "SMS" <> wrote in message
: >>> news:9uErk.17470$...
: >> >
: >>>> No Spam wrote:
: >> >>
: >>>>> "David Nebenzahl" <> wrote in message
: >>>>> news:48af0a13$0$31964$ s.com...
: >>>>>> On 8/22/2008 10:28 AM Annika1980 spake thus:
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>>> Full specs on the new 50D can be found here. Looks like a 40D with
: >>>>>>> slightly more megapixels.
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>> http://www.photographybay.com/2008/0...ed-real-specs/
: >>>>>> This post is off-topic for this newsgroup, rec.photo.equipment.35mm,
: >>>>>> which is concerned with film cameras that use 35mm film, not digital
: >>>>>> cameras that look like 35mm SLRs.
: >>>>>>
: >>>>> What is FILM???
: >>>>
: >>>> The charter for rec.photo.equipment.35mm does not mention film. The post
: >>>> is on-topic.
: >>>
: >>> it's definatly ON TOPIC..I have often shot 35mm with a DSLR.
: >>
: >> No, you only think you have. 35mm is a film format. The DSLRs are 35mm
: >> camera look-alikes. Just because they use some of the same lenses doesn't
: >> make them 35mm cameras.
: >>
: > I use a 35mm lens on my dSLR
: >
: > FILM IS DEAD, GET OVER IT! Locally labs are going out of business. I guess
: > film will disappear within 5 years.
:
: Even if that were true (and I don't think it is, but that's another
: whole discussion), it's got nothing to do with the inappropriateness of
: posts about digital cameras here.
:
: How 'bout we say that when film is officially dead, then y'all can come
: back and post here, OK?

How 'bout we say that whether or not we post here is actually none of your
business? And as it happens, THIS discussion (which you started, repeatedly)
is off topic in almost every newsgroup. In the early days of Usenet (and AFAIK
it's still the case) special groups were set up for the discussion of what is
and isn't on-topic. This was done precisely so that other newsgroups wouldn't
get cluttered with arguments like this one. Find such a group, and go rant
there to your heart's content.

Bob

"David Nebenzahl" <> wrote in message
news:48afa782$0$31974$ s.com...
> On 8/22/2008 12:56 PM the_niner_nation spake thus:
>
>> "SMS" <> wrote in message
>> news:9uErk.17470$...
> >
>>> No Spam wrote:
> >>
>>>> "David Nebenzahl" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:48af0a13$0$31964$ s.com...
>>>>> On 8/22/2008 10:28 AM Annika1980 spake thus:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Full specs on the new 50D can be found here. Looks like a 40D with
>>>>>> slightly more megapixels.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.photographybay.com/2008/0...ed-real-specs/
>>>>> This post is off-topic for this newsgroup, rec.photo.equipment.35mm,
>>>>> which is concerned with film cameras that use 35mm film, not digital
>>>>> cameras that look like 35mm SLRs.
>>>>>
>>>> What is FILM???
>>>
>>> The charter for rec.photo.equipment.35mm does not mention film. The post
>>> is on-topic.
>>
>> it's definatly ON TOPIC..I have often shot 35mm with a DSLR.
>
> No, you only think you have. 35mm is a film format. The DSLRs are 35mm
> camera look-alikes. Just because they use some of the same lenses doesn't
> make them 35mm cameras.

35mm is an arbitrary measurement, that's all you stupid ****. Now go away...

"David Nebenzahl" <> wrote in message
news:48b0447f$0$31969$ s.com...
>
> How 'bout we say that when film is officially dead, then y'all can come
> back and post here, OK?

Please point to anything related to 35mm film that you've poste here,
asswipe.

Alan Browne wrote:
> SMS wrote:
>
>> One key thing in Thunderbird's news reader is to kill-file globally
>> rather than by individual newsgroup, as many of the problem posters
>> are posting on many different subjects in many different groups.
>
> Yep.

I don't see that option with an updated Tbird on a PC.

> And to not accidentally turn off the filter in the filters list
> (seems to happen easily in the Mac OS X version)
>


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Alan Browne wrote:
> Paul Furman wrote:
>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>> SMS wrote:
>>>
>>>> One key thing in Thunderbird's news reader is to kill-file globally
>>>> rather than by individual newsgroup, as many of the problem posters
>>>> are posting on many different subjects in many different groups.
>>>
>>> Yep.
>>
>> I don't see that option with an updated Tbird on a PC.
>
> Set the filter at the News folder level (above the individual news
> groups in that folder).

Ah ha!
Normally I click the email to create a filter. Too bad they can't be moved.

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David Nebenzahl wrote:
> On 8/22/2008 12:56 PM the_niner_nation spake thus:
>
>> "SMS" <> wrote in message
>> news:9uErk.17470$...
> >
>>> No Spam wrote:
> >>
>>>> "David Nebenzahl" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:48af0a13$0$31964$ s.com...
>>>>> On 8/22/2008 10:28 AM Annika1980 spake thus:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Full specs on the new 50D can be found here. Looks like a 40D with
>>>>>> slightly more megapixels.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.photographybay.com/2008/0...ed-real-specs/
>>>>>>
>>>>> This post is off-topic for this newsgroup,
>>>>> rec.photo.equipment.35mm, which is concerned with film cameras that
>>>>> use 35mm film, not digital cameras that look like 35mm SLRs.
>>>>>
>>>> What is FILM???
>>>
>>> The charter for rec.photo.equipment.35mm does not mention film. The
>>> post is on-topic.
>>
>> it's definatly ON TOPIC..I have often shot 35mm with a DSLR.
>
> No, you only think you have. 35mm is a film format. The DSLRs are 35mm
> camera look-alikes. Just because they use some of the same lenses
> doesn't make them 35mm cameras.

35mm could also refer to a focal length. The newsgroup name doesn't
specify.

So, no 70mm lenses here!